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Sony Developer to Microsoft Executive: “You Won the Games, We Won the Gamers”; 1,000 People Working on Xbox One

by on July 13, 2013 5:01 PM 50

“Friendly” banter isn’t anything new in the video game industry, but at times it can arguably hold some truth. During an AMA (Ask me Anthing) on Reddit a developer working on Xbox One, that remained anonymous but verified his identity with the moderators, shared a funny little detail coming straight from E3 when asked about the reaction at Microsoft to the outcry from the fans following the press conferences:

It was quite moot. One of our execs had mentioned a Sony dev came up to him at E3 and told him you won the games, we won the gamers.

Many do feel that Microsoft did show a stronger line-up of games at E3, but Sony Managed to catch a runaway victory with the price of the console and the stance against DRM and always online policies.

The unnamed developer also mentioned that the team working on Xbox One is huge, counting about 1000 people, and gave us an interesting description of what life is like in the Xbox team.

The team is huge, almost 1000 people. Most people in Microsoft have their own offices, it’s the way Microsoft have been since it started. For the Xbox team however, we have mostly large open spaces (thank Bungie for that), with the most senior people having their own offices. The average time employed at Microsoft to get your own office in the Xbox team is about 10 years. The division provides us free of charge a 24hour snack bar, dinner every day, and breakfast and lunch on the weekends if we choose to come in. In addition to that the team provides additional sustenance and booze whenever we all get together and show off what we did in the past couple weeks. There’s no way I can throw in 60 hours/week for the long term if the environment was overly stressful.

Almost every subgroup within the team works on something that is related to the Kinect in some way. I personally come in contact with 4 or 5 different subgroups in a day.

In addition to that we learn that the console runs very quiet (“Almost inaudible”), and admittedly it has inferior specs compared to the PS4, even if by how much remains debatable. We also learn that Kinect costs almost as much as the console itself to manufacture.

Finally the developer confirmed once more that the “family sharing” function planned for the Xbox One and then scrapped after the 180 on DRM involved full games, and not just glorified demos as some argued. I can say that as much as I really disliked the original version of the policies, losing this feature does sting a little bit.

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  • Yo Mama

    First, this is not a credible source. The supposed dev on Reddit didn’t even reveal who he was. Plus, it was a subreddit.

    Secondly, what people don’t understand is that M$ HAD to show all it’s games at E3
    because they caught so much backlash for not showing games at the Xbone
    reveal. Sony not only has better quality games, they have more of them.
    The difference is they didn’t have to show as many games at E3 because
    Sony fans weren’t about to burn them at the stake for showing nothing
    but TV and sports at their reveal in Feb. But when they do show them,
    they show them spread out at various events.

    • foureyes oni

      the problem though is that everyone is talking about the xbox games or the playstation console. Sony should have come out with at least one major exclusive game to wow us and knack isn’t it.

      • Krakn3dfx

        Infamous Second Son is more appealing and exciting to me than anything exclusive MS showed.

        Titanfall looked good, but it’s a MP only game when only 40% of current consoles are connected online, and it’s also coming to the PC and 360. I think the first iteration will sell mostly on existing platforms, while a sequel will sell a lot better, but will come to the XBO, PS4, and PC

        • foureyes oni

          but infamous second son is still tba i was just basing this off the games that are coming out when the consoles do. don’t get me wrong i prefer the ps4 its what i’m gonna get its just based off the games right now xbox seems to have won. but we still have 2 major events that gamescom and tgs for sony to show us more games.

          • Krakn3dfx

            AFAIK, the only big exclusive launch titles coming out day and date w/ the XBO are Dead Rising 3 and Forza, Titanfall is Q1 2014, while Infamous 2nd Son is February 2014. PS4 day and date exclusives are Killzone:SF, DriveClub, Knack, and The Witness. And yeah, we still have Gamescom and TGS, but I don’t believe any launch day games will be announced at either, just stuff for 2014, which is fine, I’d rather they not blow out 4-5 big exclusives on launch day instead of spacing them out to give us games all year long.

            I’m actually more interested in Dead Rising 3 than Titanfall myself, and if XBO would dump the Kinect requirement and drop $100 (hell, maybe just dump the Kinect and keep it at $100), I would have both systems Day One. As it stands, I do have both pre-ordered on Amazon, but I’m constantly hovering my finger over the cancel button on the XBO, while the PS4 is a sure thing.

          • foureyes oni

            i’m honestly only slightly interested in killer instinct for xbox1. but the hype for xbox’s games are a lot bigger than the ps4′s.

    • Giuseppe Nelva

      He provided evidence of his identity to the subreddit moderators, so while yes, it’s an anonymous source, it does have a degree of credibility. Reddit mods are notoriously extremely paranoid, and it’s unlikely they would have given him a tag if he didn’t have solid evidence of who he is.

      Also, his answers all sound pretty solid, so while this is to be chalked as rumor, it’s one I’m willing to give a chance to.

    • Slipside

      How do you know what Microsoft have left? MS confirmed 15 exclusives in the first year JUST from their studios, not indie devs or from 3rd parties. We’ve only seen about 10 MS.

      MS are confirmed to be at Gamescom and TGS, we still haven’t seen much of Blacktusk Studios action title, we haven’t seen Lionhead AT ALL, who are most likely working on Fable and their new IP, we haven’t seen what RARE’s 2 other IPs are (we’ve only seen Kinect Sports, RARE are working on multiple IPs and have 3 different teams).
      Sony showed Killzone, which looked crap. Killzone is a horribly generic shooter, coming from someone who’s owned them all, it completely relies on graphics, and not quality gameplay or interesting weapons or experiences, it’s the definition of generic.

      Driveclub is ANOTHER racer, we have Forza 5, GT6, NFS:Rivals and The Crew coming, Driveclub doesn’t even look like the best game in it’s racing sub genre (arcade racing), The Crew takes that spot.

      Knack looked ok, and Infamous looked great. Need to see more on The Order before anything can be said.

      I count 1 game that interests me on Sony’s end, I see at least 7 on Microsoft’s end: Halo 5, Forza 5, Killer Instinct, Dead Rising 3, Crimson Dragon, Sunset Overdrive, Project Spark, Blacktusk’s game and Titanfall not coming to PS4 means my only options for the best version are XB1 and PC, I don’t have a gaming PC, so the best version for me is XB1.

      Microsoft slaughtered Sony when it came to software.

      • foureyes oni

        well sony did say they have like 30 games coming from Sony Worldwide studios ,100 games coming out in the first year of launch ,and 40 of them having exclusive experiences but we saw like maybe 20 at E3.

        • Varteras

          I believe the official word as of E3 is as follows;

          140 games in development, 30 of them from Sony Worldwide Studios
          100 games in Year 1, 20 of them from Sony Worldwide Studios, with 12 of them being new IPs.

          • foureyes oni

            i felt for some odd reason that mentioning the 140 games was pushing it. it just seems like a ridiculously high number lol.

      • imt558

        Slipside

        Did you know that Sony will show more than 20 exclusives at GDC 2013? Did you know that half of these exclusives are 12 new IP’s? + exklusives games from E3. Well, when you combined these, it’s almost 40 exclusives. Microsoft didn’t slaughtered Sony when it came to software, dude. And about Killzone : Shadow Fall, it’s not another generic shooter. It will be just like good old Killzone 2. Same “weight” feel, great A.I, and gorgeus graphics. Off course, you are blind to see it. Thank God it won’t be like COD.

        • Slipside

          Too blind? Killzone 2 didn’t have a ”weighty” feel, it had outright input lag. The game played at 150ms. Go play Killzone 2 again and try to do a perfect circle with the crosshairs, you can’t, because the input lag responds to every movement half a second late. I’m not blind to anything mate, I play competitively designed shooters, not many contemporary ones with these fluff mechanics. Team Fortress 2, Halo 3, Gears of War, Unreal Tournament, Counter Strike etc. I do play Battlefield at times, but I avoid modern day shooters that just shove in perks and bad MP features to add some psuedo level of depth. That’s exactly what Killzone does, and it has no original or standout weaponry or mechanics, it’s not the best at what it does either. Battlefield is essentially a better substitute for Killzone, same thing but bigger and with a better destruction engine and framerate. Resistance on the other hand was a unique FPS, but Insomniac killed it off.

          Many shooters have great graphics and AI (like Halo) except they actually deliver new gameplay experiences and a refined shooter, Killzone was sloppy as all hell, as a SHOOTER, the gameplay was poor. I like how you assume I play CoD to try and downplay my complaints.

      • EX+

        The games you mentioned along with Ryse of the QTE’s are TECHINICALLY all that M$ had to show. They’ll have much less to show than Sony at Gamescom and TGS. TGS especially. They’re probably just gonna show MS Japan’s game. Titanfall isn’t even exclusive. It’s on PC.

        You were being hypocritical when you say MS has 15 exclusives in the 1st year. You just replied to me that I was making up BS stories when I said Sony has 20 1st party exclusives in the 1st year. But everyone read up on it. I’m just telling you RIGHT NOW. M$ showed almost all their games at e3 becos if they showed to minutes of multimedia features, people would go full on rage.

      • Clarence Thompkins II

        t’s obviously been said to you over and over but here’s my two since paragraph for paragraph:

        MS has 15 titles for the year of Xbox while Sony has 20 titles for the PS4

        MS has 8 of those being new IPs, Sony has 12 being new IPs. The reason they aren’t counting indie games is because of their policies towards indie devs needs to be cleaned up.

        Guess who else was confirmed to be at Gamescom and TGS, Sony. Sony has way more than just a few studios, and with those studios they are also split up into seperate teams Japan Studio split up for way could all work on ps4 games, Guerrilla Games, Naughty Dog, San Deigo Studios, and Sony Santa Monica just to name a few are all split up into two teams. then there’s Sucker Punch and the list just keeps going.

        DriveClub may be just another racer but so is Forza 5 even if you factor in the “driavatar” but at least we agree on one thing, The Crew looked the most promising (although graphically it wasn’t too impressive at the showing)

        This right here was straight opinion because because to me Knack looks great, DriveClub and Killzone look great The Order and Infamous look great…yet the only thing that interested me on XB1 was Project Spark (even though they completely ripped off LBP it still that that fun factor. So all in all for Exclusives (which is suppose to mean you can’t play them on any other platform…) we’ll have to actually wait and get our hands on them.

        The only reason MS had more games was because they were loosing ground, Sony has and still has the upper hand so they can sprinkles announcements here and there. I’m just glad I’m a Playstation gamer because I know once this next generation is over they will still support the console with exclusive games just like they did with the PS2 and just like they are doing with PS3 (The Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls, Puppeteer, Gran Turismo 6, Ratchet and Clank Into the Nexus….) MS abandons their console almost immediately because they can’t focus on more than one thing at a time.

    • EX+

      Exactly. You can BET M$ was scrambling to show games. Don’t forget, M$ was paying 3rd party publishers not to show PS4 games at E3. Sony have 30 first party exclusives in development, 12 of which are new IPs and 20 of which are coming out in the first year. They were being smart, because now they have loads to show and Gamescom and TGS. Trust me on this M$ will stop getting exclusive 2 years into it. Even though KH3 and FFXV aren’t exclusives, I can definitely see Square going exclusive to PlayStation with Kingdom Hearts and FF afterwards, seeing as both those games will sell like crap on the xbone. Same goes for a lot of Japanese 3rd parties, if they haven’t already. Don’t forget, the PS4 is more powerful than the Xbone so that’ll just mean less games for the XB1 in the long run. I’m almost thinking if FFXV does badly enough on Xbone, they’ll cancel the XB1 version of KH3. Now that would be funny if Sony trolled M$ like that.
      Sony always has more and better exclusives and with M$’ multimedia restructuring, you can almost say the XB1 will have less exclusives than the 360.

      • foureyes oni

        i honestly don’t see square going exclusive unless Sony pony ups some money.

        • EX+

          Not now. My mistake. Later on in like 2-3 years.

          • foureyes oni

            well either way i’m not too excited nowadays with square. ff15 is going to be a trilogy so that means were not going to get anything else for awhile and i’m not looking forward to this one. even though i say that i’ll probably end up buying the collectors edition like i always do /sigh.

          • EX+

            FFXV is gonna be a saga. With the way it’s going, I would like 10 sequels to that game ^-^. I think FFXV will release in 2014 and FFXVI in 2015 or early 2016. Then they’ll go onto making the sequels for FFXV. I actually would like to see FFXV-7 on PS5. Lol

          • foureyes oni

            i think at the pace SE is going we won’t be seeing FFXVI until the end of next gen. with SE working on KH3 , porting ffxiv to ps4, and the other two games for FFXV i’m not raising my hopes for FFXVI anytime soon.

      • Slipside

        No they weren’t.

        Microsoft were paying 3rd party developers to show multiplatform games on the Xbox One at their E3 conference, like what they did with MGS5. What’s wrong with that? Sony did the same thing with Destiny and Assassins Creed.

        You’re just crafting some bullshit story. You have no idea how future 1st party support for either platform will play out, so stop pretending like you do.

        FYI, the only reason Square are going exclusive with FF14 is because Microsoft don’t want cross-server play between PC, Xbox and PS4. It came down to Microsoft and they said no. Link below.

        http://zantetsuken.net/articles/yoshida-explains-ffxivs-lack-of-an-xbox-version-lightning-and-pvp-plans

        • EX+

          Yes you know about the 1st party support too. Everyone does. Look it up.
          I didn’t say anything about FFXIV. It isn’t really exclusive. It’s on PC, PS3 and PS4. And about Square going exclusive, I tried to make it clear that I meant later on in 2-3 years bro. My mistake.

          The main point is, the PS4 is gonna have more and better exclusives.

  • ivan510

    Lol these answers are so fake, this is the second AMA i read from n4g. I mean a microsoft employee wouln’t openly say it has worse specs, they would bring up the topic of cloud computing. And a kinect wouldn’t cost as much as the console, if not the price would probably bee $599 maybe even more. No one listen to this guy, his source isn’t credible.

    • Giuseppe Nelva

      He’s not a PR (or so he says), so this is not necessarily true.

    • orangpelupa

      and he is behind anonymous wall. no need to become MS’s PR

  • joben

    cool read. good stuff !

  • GunsAndTheBeast

    Anonymous? Looks like someone is trying to hide, with his lies. Now, why would he go anonymous, seriously.

    It’s like you’re a fugitive; when people ask your name and you don’t tell them, can only mean you’re hiding something. Just like Lee Everett.

    • Giuseppe Nelva

      I can think of a couple reasons to do this while anonymous. Not losing his job comes to mind first.

      • GunsAndTheBeast

        sony dev, anonymous; xbox dev, anonymous;

        Lies.

  • Krakn3dfx

    I asked this dude a few questions last night about the Kinect. One that stood out when I asked about putting the Kinect in the box but leaving people with the option to not connect it:

    “The number of features on the Xbox One that uses the Kinect is almost too many to count. I can’t imagine using the console without it. To me, I see two ways to deal with this.

    1) Not require the Kinect to be always plugged in and have all these features turned off by default.

    2) Enable these features by default and turn them off if people choose to turn off the Kinect.

    The first choice would undermine our guarantee to game developers.”

    This is my problem with MS, they will always put corporate partners ahead of their consumer base, and have no problem acknowledging it. That’s not a console maker I’m interested in supporting.

    • clarity

      the point he was makin was if a developer intergrates kinect into his game or builds a game for kinect, since it is shipped with every console there will be a market for it and it wont be a waste of time. you dont have faith in building for something you arent even sure is in the household. thats oone of the things that held the original kinect back. net everyone had one and few people would get one just for a game.

  • Mark Cardwell

    From what I hear, people are canceling PS4 pre-orders in droves.

    • Giuseppe Nelva

      Of course they are mate. Of course they are…

    • http://www.facebook.com/s3di.Oo Sǯdi Sǻymeh

      i don’t know about that , but people are preordering Xone like crazy i expect that will equal the PS4 preorders in short tine and maybe be get more

      • foureyes oni

        i doubt it since sony had to increased the original number of console for preorders and they sold out of the bundles.

        • http://www.facebook.com/s3di.Oo Sǯdi Sǻymeh

          that why i wrote (keep up with PS4) cause PS4 bundles are really selling … any how Xone is selling very good now so im not worried anymore ^_^

    • http://dualshockers.com Joel Taveras

      Where are you hearing this? I only ask because it seems as though every single poll on the internet states otherwise.

  • Jason Mounce

    I don’t see how a Sony exec, PR, developer, or anyone associated with Sony would come to think X1 has ‘Better Games’…

    They have a the predictable Halo and Forza, they have Dead Rising 3 which might as well be in the likely-bin of being a Timed exclusive. They have Ryse which looks like it holds your hand and plays too much like Call of Duty and Press-X-To-do-everything QTE games, and then they have Killer Instinct.

    Soooo – Tell me again how they have better games when Sony themselves have a larger 1st party studio size than Microsoft and Nintendo?….The only other game that X1 showed was Titanfall but even then I’ve heard rumors of it being multiplatform by a Titanfall dev hinting suspiciously at it. The rest will be Kinect games.

    Sony has a much bigger library….so….I really can’t take this article seriously. Anyone who does research even to Wikipedia can see the games coming on PS4.

    • Lionex

      They were talking about the conference, not the generation.

      • Jason Mounce

        And I mentioned all the games that X1 showed during the conference….there wasn’t much in terms of either ‘AAA’ budget titles or great games.

        a Halo Teaser, a Racing game, multiplatform games, MGS5 being shown which obviously isn’t an exclusive but was there to try to raise hype to the masses of the MGS fanbase. Ryse which is likely going to be a 60/100 type of metacritic-game…..Like….they don’t have lots of ‘Great Games’.

        Quantity over Quality is what they have.

  • orangpelupa

    whatever MS brings to X1, it will be useless for me if its become like X360 again. Need more varied games like what i can play on PS3.

    Yes, they have some unique games like Alan Wake, and Kinect games from Rare. But they are rare.

    *Note, i dont have a ps3, i have an xbox 360. i borrow PS3.

  • foureyes oni

    i wish they had continued making onimusha. make that a ps4 game!
    i just had to share that.

  • brianc6234

    Sony won the games and gamers. I see nothing on the Xbone I even want.

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  • dave mcnair

    I couldn’t care about who won what. It’s a common nonsense that Microsoft has better games. Sony has been in the game for longer with consoles & is really the choice of the purist. If you want a meek media pc then go for XBox One. If you care about games, both big budget & independent then Sony’s your only real choice.. http://www.stuff.tv/august-issue-out-now/news

    • Clarence Thompkins II

      Microsoft does not have better games. If you look at both the variety and the top scores of the top 10 exclusives for 360 and PS3, PS3 games have an overall average higher score, and the variety is greatly expanded.

      • dave mcnair

        Yeah that’s kind of what I was getting at. Better exclusive & richer content at the end of the day. M$ is ok if you like generic shooters & that’s about it. Enter Halo & Titanfall etc etc. Don’t get me wrong Battlefield’s my favourite game but I like choice. Plus Dualshock 4 is best for FPS’s according to DICE (Alan Kertz lead programmer).

        • Clarence Thompkins II

          XD I read common sense haha

  • dave mcnair

    Sony already won the console war before it began. I’m a little sad for XBox fans to be honest as competition is always good & it doesn’t pay to be lop-sided the was things are just now. Hopefully XBox can claw some respect back with their ‘Operation Damage Limitation’ that’s currently in full swing.

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