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TGS 2013: First Forza Motorsport 5 Japanese Preview from Tokyo Game Show Laments Severe Visual Degradation from E3 Build (UPDATED)

by on September 22, 2013 6:17 PM 168

Forza Motorsport 5 was exhibited at Tokyo Game Show, exposed to the Japanese press, and we know that the Japanese are big petrolheads. They love their car games. So I was quite interested in reading their previews of the game expecting high praise considering what I saw myself at Gamescom.

The first preview is now out, ran by the popular and quite respected website Game Watch and it’s very different from what I expected.

The writer, Seiji Nakamura, laments a severe visual downgrade from what he experienced at E3. The gist of the problem is that in the Forza 5 corner of the Microsoft booth things looked so bad that the monitors seemed badly adjusted. Aliasing and jaggies were standing out.

In the Forza 5 press room the situation was even worse, with the picture quality defined as “rough” like what you’d see if the output was 720p, with a definite visual degradation from the E3 version.

Nakamura-san continues by saying that the quality simply wasn’t the same as the original Forza 5, and the version he tried at Tokyo Game Show did not reach the level of the screenshots of the game at all. He actually asked a the Japanese product manager for the game about the problem, and all he was told is that the folks at Microsoft are aware of the problem.

Before you think that Nakamura-san may be biased because he’s Japanese and Forza 5 is a Xbox One exclusive, moving past the graphical mishaps he actually gave quite high praise to the gameplay and the simulation quality.

The previous preview of the E3 build of the game on Game Watch, written by Nakamura-san himself, was also definitely glowing with praise. I’ll just tell you that its title was “The world’s ultimate racing game: Forza Motorsport 5″. That’s obviously not what someone biased against the game or the platform would write.

At the bottom of this post you can see an off-screen recording filmed by the folks at IGN at Microsoft’s booth. Unfortunately it’s quite hard to judge for ourselves from a video on YouTube. Hopefully the problems described by Nakamura-san are exclusively due to badly adjusted monitors, as what I saw of the game at Gamescom was definitely impressive, and it would be a pity to see it downgraded.

Update: According to Microsoft’s Albert Penello there was no issue with the build at Tokyo Game Show as he stated on Twitter responding to a fan.

When asked on Neogaf on why Nakamura-san may have experienced what he did, he provided further information even if he doesn’t know what may have gone wrong.

I really don’t know. When I had time on the floor I was checking out the.. ahem… competition. Stuff I don’t get to see normally.

I had the same build as was on the floor in the Conference rooms, so I know it was the same, but I didn’t see the issue described in the article.

This seems to chalk the issue to badly calibrated monitors (it’s very unlikely that Nakamura-san would just intentionally misrepresent the game, especially considering his usual very positive stance on the game and on the franchise in general).

Update 2: Ian Webster from Turn 10 also chimed in, on Neogaf.

 To my knowledge we didn’t have any people from Turn 10 at the TGS which may explain why the TV setup might have been ‘less than optimal’

It remains to wonder why the monitors were left in that state, or calibrated that way to begin with only for Forza 5, but now you can hear both sides of the issue and draw your own conclusions.

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  • Jack Slater

    Just like microsoft manages to sell thousands of office upgrades to companies, telling them the 4 or 5 new features are the future, and they absolutely need them, since E3,their PR guys have been working really hard. Not only the console lost its soul, with all the last-minute changes, but anything the ps4 can do, the next day, a microsoft guy comes and tell the world the xbox one can also do it, and even better. It’s been like that all the time, it’s almost funny, how desperate they are, afraid of seeing their 7 yo faithful walking wallets move to Sony.
    All this bullshit, at the end, when games are out, the lies are over. Customers will see by themselves that microsoft was only doing damage control, all the time. Killer instinct is only 720p, which could easily run at 30 fps, with a few less effects, on the x360. Now, forza 5, which starts showing the console limits, with no weather, night races, nothing. Ryse runs only at 900p.etc etc.
    Meanwhile, the microsoft engineers are defending the xbox one specs, which are inferior that the ps4 ones, but they don’t want people to know it.

    What else, microsoft, what else are you going to invent, to keep people and old fans interested on your system? Are you going to keep lying? Why don’t you tell the world, since your engineers state the consoles have almost the same stuff inside, tell the world why Sony ps4 doesn’t need a power brick like the xbox one. Come on, explain the world why that. Let me guess, like the aa batteries on the new controllers, it’s easier to send it for fixing? Or what other lame reason? Why that power brick?

    If you could lie about that, you would do it as well. But we can actually SEE it, you cant tell bs about it.

    I just hope, GOD, I hope this time around developers will use the ps4 power, and if they can release a better version, they will do it, instead of being forced to match the xbox one quality and scale games down, like they did with the ps3.

    Enough of your PR lies, microsoft. Stop joking, you’re a joke.

    • twinspectre

      agree

    • Jim Lee

      dude having double aa as an options isn’t a bad idea if my PS controller goes bad you have to have it replaced instead of just popping in batteries.

      • ARealGamer

        Bulls#!t. I replace dead bats on my old controller all the time

    • Escopablobar

      All I would suggest is not to allow the tech talk and specs of these pieces of hardware to deter you from comsidering compelling games. Don’t get so wrapped up in the console politics. Look at each game for what it is and how much fun it will deliver regardless of platform. I believe Forza will be as good a game as Driveclub. Keep your focus on the games and dismiss the rhetoric and lies that both companies are so adept at telling.

      • Jeremiah Enrile

        SOny since PSone 1995 have made the games do the talking. :),

        • Dameon Percival

          yea like the 2005 killzone video!!!!!

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            that 2005 video is already achieved with killzone 3 and is “overachieved” with Killzone shadowfall. sorry bro, you can’t stand graphics like this one huh?? Pertty sweet huh?? :D

          • Michael Norris

            Those screen shots look awesome…can’t wait to play SF.

          • andy

            Killzone 2 beat the original 2005 trailer. Sure parts of it looked great like your character doing random things that they animated in because of the simple fact it was a CGI cutscene. Come on I mean look at that bit where he signals his troops with his hand to start the sequence. What button would even do that lol.

            But other things like the fire, smoke effects, lighting were way behind the times in that CGI Trailer and the finished game was better in every way, hell the 2007 E3 trailer was better.

            So yeah like Jeremiah said Sony “have made the games do the talking” since 1995.

          • John Mumpitz

            Wtf? Stop lying! The Trailer back then looked gar superior! Especially The explotions!
            ps4 fanboys Are always lying

          • mike

            It looked “cleaner” less dirt and less effects, the final game beat the trailer easy.

          • Raffen Raffensen

            I 100% agree with john. I would pick the graphics in that trailer any day over killzone 3 and 2. I had all Killzone games

          • Michael Norris

            He…might be misterx…..

          • Michael Norris

            Killzone 3 looked as good if not better then that 05 trailer.

          • mike

            You are going to have a hard time arguing this to those who haven’t actually played the game. You know this I know this and everyone else who has played it knows this…

          • NarooN

            Nah, I played both Killzone 2 & 3 when they first released. Even KZ2 beat that 2005 trailer. Besides the ridiculously smooth animations — which honestly, why would anyone waste a button having a “signal troops” function or something unless it actually did something — KZ2 beat that trailer in every way. When it came to KZ3, I could barely believe it was a current-gen game at the time, and I’d already seen stuff like Crysis 1 & 2 maxed on PC back then…

          • ThePokeMaster

            Yeah like the 2003 Halo 2 video!!!!!

            gtfo

    • Carlo

      I for one am planning on getting a PS4 down the line, but I have been looking objectively on both consoles and I as a PS fan would love for Xbox One to sell well. Competition is always good and in the end the gamers win if things are like that. What I completely don’t understand with Microsoft is everything is “down the line”, everything is in the future or will come sometime soon. Sure Sony does this too but at the very least the core features that they have announced are already set in place. I’ve read from IGN the ask Microsoft weekly thing they have more than 3/4 of the answer are so vague / PR answers or how good it will be “down the road”. -.- You need better PR people MS. I just feel like its a rushed console. Feb – March would’ve been a better release date for them hardware wise

      • andy

        PlayStation Plus does not need Xbox Live to make it look good. It is incredible on its own. I will admit though, Live Gold looks absolutely hilarious when compared to Plus, hmm, maybe competition is good then, for Sony Fans at least. Shame for Xbots that Microsoft are too proud and stubborn to do anything about it on their end though.

      • foureyes oni

        i was thinking Sony needed at least 6 months for the gaikai and Microsoft needed at least another year from its release date to get it together because of all of its changes. Both sides feel a bit rushed.

        • Carlo

          But I don’t think Gaikai is one of the core functions of it. The way I look at it is as more of a bonus library. Xbox’s function of voice commands won’t even be available for all launch areas which when I read that I immediately thought thats one of the things they we’re touting as a feature with even that not available to all it feels a bit rushed.

          • HyperionLight

            And Sony was touting backward compatibility through Gaikai and now it’s only going to be available in NA and even that “sometime in 2014″, but when asked about EU “no comment”.

            So to me all that bc is pointless.

            Btw what if the “bonus library” ends up with its own monthly fee (not including the games)?

          • Carlo

            Seriously doubt It’ll stay in NA from a business standpoint they stand to gain so much by expanding it. Maybe NA is a sort of testing ground? There is also the connectivity issues. As in regards to fees and what not it all depends on what kind of service we’ll get. Ultimately I reserve judgement for Gaikai when they officially announce details. You could also say that it might be like the PS+ where they choose which games you get and don’t count the ones you own already but I reserve judgement til then. Though personally Gaikai isn’t a selling point for me, its more of a bonus just in case

          • HyperionLight

            I’m not saying it won’t be available in the EU in the near-future (whenever that is), but if take that into consideration than MS is in the same position.

            They (MS) have said that there is a possibility of BC via Azure and yet they weren’t “touting” it as possible from the get go and for everyone, because that’s exactly what I got form their (Sony) marketing.

            Btw I’m from the EU and I have a stable 40Mbps connection and according to the article below it seems that the one with connectivity issue are the USA, but not only that, one third of the
            population has no to access to the internet!

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/05/internet-speed-united-states-digital-divide_n_1855054.html

            So excuse me for being harsh, but the “connectivity issues” the guys at Sony are claiming for the EU is BS.

          • Carlo

            hah true true i agree with the connectivity issues. I mean lets face it all digital is the future its just isn’t now. Well we’ll be getting Gaikai early 2014 from what they said. They should announce news soon lets see if they can hold up to the hype though as optimistic as I am I’m expecting them to go the PS+ way

          • TheScienceEnthusiast1130

            Hello, “HyperionLight”.

        • Michael Norris

          Xbone does feel rushed,just seems like MS got caught off guard.

    • Ω GUNTZ

      And that my friends is

      http://i.imgur.com/XJkbpuC.gif

    • slumdog hundredaire

      You are a joke. That is why you doubt what you see with your very eyes. Forza 5 looks as stunning as any PS4 game. Come release date, all this malarkey regarding TFLOPS, batteries, GPU cores etc, will take a back seat to the games…

    • SteveS

      Sorry, but you have been brainwashed by Sony -obviously! Everything Microsoft has invented in the past, every feature they have implemented to XBox Live, really every future plans, were copied by Sony- so hold your bullshit back for yourself. It is fact that every feature allready exists on the 360 or was planned and announced long before Sony decided to just show a glimpse of there vision…but I know that it won´t help. I worked in a games store and even when a game certainly looked better on 360 (for example Red Dead Redemption)than on PS3, the Sony fans said that it would be wrong-obviously the PS3 version was the best…they really believed it…they really saw it that way…so, sorry, but you have been brainwashed…and it is not your fault. I feel sorry for people abused that way….:(

  • Kingbeef

    What is this? Forza 5 Bumper Cars Edition…jeez.

  • ex-xboner

    so much for da powa of da cloud

  • Krakn3dfx

    XBox One games shown at their initial May reveal and then later at E3 have gotten progressive less impressive, and in some cases, have dropped resolution (Ryse, Killer Instinct) or changed to variable resolution (Dead Rising 3). Now Forza 5 is starting to show the lack of power in the system to meet the demands of their initial PC showings. It’ll be interesting to see what any XBox One game actually looks like and runs like at launch at this point.

    • Jeremiah Enrile

      i can’t wait either. can’t wait to see the faces on the hardcore xbots who only does is downplay the PS4.

      • John Mumpitz

        Show me a _SINGLE_ PS4 RETAIL EXCLUSIVE LAUNCH GAME that runs at 1080p and 60 fps! :)

        • Asim Mehmood

          At least they are running at 1080p at solid 30 FPS natively with top notch graphics unlike 900p or variable resolution at 30 fps on Xbone with decent graphics. Only Forza is 60 FPS but we are seeing the kind of compromises they made to make it run at that frame rate.

          • slumdog hundredaire

            What are you seeing? Because Forza 5 looks stunning. Remember, if we are to believe unnamed devs that claim that the PS4 is 50% more powerful, then Forza was created using horrible graphics drivers…..

          • Michael Norris

            Forza 5 lacks environment detail,the buildings look flat,asphalt textures look low resolution and less detailed then Drive Club.Drive Club has a lot of environment detail.Just watch the gameplay trailers and look at the environment…theirs so many trees and foliage that makes the whole game pop to me.Also,we don’t know if Drive Club will be 30fps or 60fps it’s not set in stone yet…

          • slumdog hundredaire

            Seriously. The people that where criticizing environmental detail where looking at Laguna Seca where the track is in the middle of nowhere. You are comparing Forza 5 to a Free to play arcade racer…. The cars of Forza look phenomenal. The asphalt low rez that you refer to was a product of shitty video encoding….
            Look the PS4 is a beast. But Forza 5 and Turn have a pedigree which cannot be discounted.

        • mike

          Forza is hardly a next gen title. Racing games that aren’t exactly power hungry…Meanwhile Killzones multiplayer will be running at 60fps

        • Michael Norris

          Forza 5 doesn’t look that great..every screen shot i find is a motion blur mess.From what I have seen on some screen shots the game lacks detail,sure the cars look good, but what about the environments the lack of detail is concerning.1080p 60fps with no AA, it isn’t hard to achieve for a racing game when you gimp the environment detail as well.GT6 is running on a less powerful console and runs at 60fps at 1440×1080.

    • Michael Norris

      Yea what the Xbots fail to understand is MS lied, and those games at E3 were running on a high end Pc.If anyone believes MS they are more sheep then Sony fanboy’s.

      • Krakn3dfx

        I dunno, it’s fun to see the console warriors freak out and go at each other a bit, but it bums me out to think that the XBO could be that much less powerful overall than the PS4, because developers are going to by and large shoot for parity across systems, so if developer and insider chatter has been right and there is a substantial gap between the 2 consoles, while ESRAM is just another obstacle for development, both will suffer over time for the sins of the One. Sure the PS4 will get a better framerate and maybe some better aliasing, but a substantially lower common denominator will hold back features and innovation across the board.

        Luckily, it won’t affect PS4 exclusives like stuff from ND, Sucker Punch, and Guerrilla Games, which is what I’ll be most interested in next generation. Most of the multiplat stuff is going to look and run better on the PC even at launch, so that’s where I’ll likely go for those experiences.

        • Oliver King

          Just an FYI ES ram is not a big roadblock for devs, they had the same thing in the 360 it was called Ed Ram and from a dev perspective it might only be slightly more work than the 360 was. Since 360 was a lead platform for most games alot of dev’s got used to it. It’s easier to think of it as a natural extension of what they did the in the 360.

          • Krakn3dfx

            That’s not what I’m hearing from a developer friend at an Ubisoft studio working on a game coming to the 360/XBO/PS4/PC Q2 next year, but hopefully it’s true. I guess we’ll know more after launch.

      • joe

        No, they were running on X1 devkits…just like how PS4 games were running on PS4 dev kits. There was an issue with the monitors at TGS you moron.

  • Jeremiah Enrile

    Goes to show that MS is indeed using high end PCs during E3 to demo forza 5. because if its really running on an actual xbone, then this TGS footage should not been downgraded. :) thats right guys, always believe everything MS PR says :)

    • Alex Brown

      That’s right guys, always believe everything random fanboys on the internet say. From reading the article, this seems more like an issue with the monitors than the game itself…but then again, maybe you didn’t actually read the article, just the headline?

      • Jeremiah Enrile

        Ow ive read it alright. Truth hurts bro?? Anything to justify why xbone is better right?? “Issue with monitors” – Hahahaha so your saying they are using a cheap ass monitor in a big gaming event?? common sense tells you that you will choose the best monitor to deliver your games so people will be impressed. Sorry not buying your excuses hahaha. Calling me a fanboy, Hypocrite talk to the hand.

        EDIT: MS in this article said they are aware of the issue so this is true. nice try Xbot. truth hurts??

        • Alex Brown

          Are you mental?

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            heres a quote “He actually asked a the Japanese product manager for the game about the
            problem, and all he was told is that the folks at Microsoft are aware of
            the problem”. maybe your the one who needs mental help?? when you set up your booth, you are responsible for fine tuning and adjusting all components even the monitor. so whatever excuses you got. sorry bro. you have to do better than that to defend xbone. “Denial” and “hypocrisy” will not get you nowhere. calling me a fanboy. look in the mirror will you?

          • Alex Brown

            I see absolutely no reason for you to jump on me like a rabid fanboy. I’ve done nothing but question your own obvious bias here, and yet you automatically assume I’m an “xbot”?! Why does this stuff matter so much to you?

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            jumped on me?? huh?? you are the one who started it remember??
            heres a quote from you

            “That’s right guys, always believe everything random fanboys on the internet say”
            so its not okay for me to attack you back while its okay for you to say that thing to me? wow pretty you

          • Rick

            The ps4 could not even handle play room without freezing up on live tv and dont you think the people respnsible for setting it up are blameless. How about the assisincreed demo crashing on a live stage. Both consoles feel a little rushed but dont blame one with monitor issues and the other is fully freezing on stage and live on japanese tv.

          • slumdog hundredaire

            Yes he is. No one is dissing the PS4. However, zealots cannot acknowledge that Forza 5 is slick. Typically they will talk about 1)Drive Club 2) Baked lighting and then 3) No weather effects or night racing, in order to dismiss what Turn 10 is doing….

        • N2O1990

          Man even neogaf mods said it’s because monitors issue…

          Oh and,eurogamer already said the Forza 5 footage at E3 was run by actual Xbox One hardware

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            And you believe eurogamer? they have most of the time been pro MS. they rarely admit PS3 superiority in some aspects. example when they admitted GTA V is superior on PS3 yet they sound bitter about it in my opinion

          • N2O1990

            At least better than this site

            According to original source,game watch are asking about monitor issues,not game issues,and MS said they aware that(monitor issues)

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            Ohh okay. i commend you for defending the Xbone. well cheers to you. i’ll be playin next gen on the nov 15th while you play on the 22nd.

          • N2O1990

            Not really defending,just you people love spend 24/7 to bashing it for nothing.

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            and Xbots don’t bash PS4??

          • N2O1990

            Just because bring someone to same level with you doesn’t mean it’s ok.

            Besides,actually,i’m not Xbot and i didn’t bash PS4,so what are you doing?

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            you can claim that. actually everyone on the net can claim they are not fanboys but in reality they are. if your not bashing PS4, then why do you care so much on what i say?? goes to show your sensitive when someone is saying negative things about the xbone.

          • N2O1990

            “if your not bashing PS4, then why do you care so much on what i say”

            wat,i don’t think i replied anything about PS4 in this news,other than “i didn’t bash PS4″

            I care what you say just simply because your info isn’t right.
            Btw,this is news about Forza 5,not Killzone or PS4

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            I wasn’t talking to you in the first place and you butted in. what? i have incorrect info on “Monitors”?? give me a link and if its true i’ll stop

          • N2O1990

            Original source,the news already have a link,game watch asked MS about monitor issues,not game issues(and it’s not only me notice this)

            Btw,i’m not “butted in”,it just the info isn’t right so i reply.

          • Michael Norris

            Source says the AA is quite bad…even at 1080p you will still see those jaggies.What this tells me is Turn 10 isn’t using AA which makes sense for a few reasons one being with AA on it will take a toll on the frame rate.This has happened with GT6 PD got rid of AA for a higher frame buffer ”Screen Resolution”.Also,we know the Xbone has slow memory/Bandwidth and has half the RoP’s 16 vs 32 compared to Ps4.

            I was never sold on Forza looking like it did at E3,the fact that MS wouldn’t let anyone look at the ”so called development kit” tells me that it was indeed running on a Pc.Neg me all you want,but since both Ps4 and Xbone share the same hardware as a Pc.It’s not hard to make games on the Pc first then port it down to the console..it’s being done with a lot of games already.

          • John Mumpitz

            Read The article, dumbass. It stands right there

          • Michael Norris

            You really should stop typing…makes you look that much dense.

          • John Mumpitz

            Fake screenshots! This is NEVER EVER ingame gaphics

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            Hahahah thats ingame bro. Can’t believe your eyes?? in denial mode again?? Hahaha. “Your too good to be true, can’t take my eyes off of you, your like heaven to touch” Haha :p you got an Xboner right??

          • John Mumpitz

            FYI: Killzone runs at 720p in multiplayer mode, so YES 1080p can’t be real!

          • Jeremiah Enrile
          • John Mumpitz

            Dear Asshat, I am talking about MULTIPLAYER, not SINGLE player! Who cares for single player campaign in a FPS Games? Seriously! MULTIPLAYER will run only at 720p!

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            Sooo?? heres a link to your other Xbone games. 900p for ryse?? 720p for killer instinct?? Pathetic!! hahaha http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=679469

          • John Mumpitz

            FORZA 5 is confirmed as running at 1080p with 60 FPS.

            Show me a _SINGLE_ PS4 RETAIL EXCLUSIVE LAUNCH GAME that runs at 1080p and 60 fps! :)

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            yep, a racing game, Bro Gran Turismo 5 on PS3 is running on 1080p 60fps maggot. A racing game is not taxing. forza 5, no dynamic weather effects so no night racing. and the backgrounds are just static. yeah could easily achieve 1080p. bro dont you read, i gave you a link that killzone single player runs at 1080p 60fps. deny deny deny deny. :)

          • John Mumpitz

            Killzone is running at 1080p@30 fps, DUDE! Only Multiplayer is running at 60 fps, but it’s only 900p.

            Source: http://www.psmania.net/2013/08/killzone-shadow-fall-sp-will-be-30-fps-while-mp-is-60-fps/

            So, please:

            Show me a _SINGLE_ PS4 RETAIL EXCLUSIVE LAUNCH GAME that runs at 1080p and 60 fps! :)

            Hint: there is none on PS4! hihi ;)

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            Sorry bro to burst your bubble. here http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/threadview/2832654490215287621/ Hahahaha Hihihihi Hohohohoh merry christmas and your welcome ;P

          • Jeremiah Enrile
          • Jeremiah Enrile
          • Jeremiah Enrile

            http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/threadview/2832654490215287621/ Hohohoh battlefield runs better on PS4. Sorry Exbone, better luck next time

          • John Mumpitz

            hohohohoho loook at the date: “2013-03-23″! This is FALSE and old news! Look here; http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/battlefield-4-ps4-720p/

            WAKE UP! SONY IS A BUNCH OF LIARS!

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            WAKE UP XBOTS hahaha i commend you but xbone BF4 is not also 1080. and heres another game on PS4 which will run 1080p 60fps Final fantasy realm reborn http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/ps4-same-game-will-run-1080p-60fps-while-xbone-will-be-20ish-fps-at-1600×900.453356233/

          • John Mumpitz

            you sure need a real life. dude, go outside man! get some friends! the ps4 will never replace real human interaction!

            pooooor virgin, :(

          • Mitchings

            No.

            Killzone SF Single Player runs in 1080p @ 30fps

            Killzone SF Multiplayer runs in 1080p @ 60fps with compromises in Graphical/IQ quality.

        • Steve Denninger

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sew2I-TOVoQ&feature=youtu.be
          go towards the end. This was played this weekend.

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            Hahaha, Major nelson trying so hard to win people. look at that face. thats enough for me to know. i saw the video. sorry, its still just a youtube video. i want to see it first hand

      • Steve Denninger

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sew2I-TOVoQ&feature=youtu.be
        go towards the end. This was played this weekend. Looks amazing.

    • John Mumpitz

      Xbox One Games DID NOT Run On High-End PCs At E3!

      http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/threads/xbox-one-games-did-not-run-on-high-end-pcs-at-e3.39428/

      IN FACT pS4 games were running on PC:

  • http://www.recklesscognition.tumblr.com/ Reckless Cognition

    Also from the original source:

    ” Even though there is only just two months until the release of the North
    American version, in this exhibition, not mentioning the monitor
    adjustment mistake, it was worrisome, the multiplayer mode and recording
    vehicle model, a smart match with the cloud server still were not to
    announced as well as details of the collaboration with TOP GEAR.
    “Forza” fans still want to know.

     There is more. The cloud server running data of friends to AI cars is
    limited to traveling in four although it was announced at E3 still has
    not been shown. “Forza” series, is known to not give the information
    hard until just before release, but I mean, they don’t do anything to
    verify the commitment they made at E3, not visiting any of them even
    once, suggesting how the development has found difficulties in the above
    areas.

    It should be noted that, in the video that you fall into a strange
    sense of the video of the game is moving in reality by utilizing the
    technique of film speed. A new trailer that has been published in
    accordance with the timing of the Tokyo Game Show, “Forza Film Speed” is
    what Forza was promised to look like, but I wonder if there is really
    time for the launch of North America to look the same. While I have
    inflated expectations as one of the “Forza” fan, I’m a little worried.

  • foureyes oni

    I really wish both Sony and Microsoft would show gameplay instead of these cg trailers when first introducing a game, then it won’t feel like they have been lying to us this whole entire time.

  • Steve Denninger

    REAL game gameplay of Forza form this weekend. Go towards the end. it’s obvious the japan footage is being played on crappy tv settings.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sew2I-TOVoQ&feature=youtu.be

    • Jeremiah Enrile

      yeah thats right, just like major nelson, keep on trying to “advertise” the Xbone. I just can’t wait to see your dissapointed face after the PS4 and Xbone launch

    • twinspectre

      remember it could be the PC version

      • John Mumpitz

        there is no pc verion of Forza! and all forza gameplay were running on actual retail kits.

    • CraZed77

      Which still looks crappy… the environments look so damned barren.

  • You are flat out wrong

    Flopza 5. Dud Framerates 3. Wryte-Off: Son of Dome. Why haven’t you pre-ordered your Xbox One?

    • Jeremiah Enrile

      RAp and Rhyme:
      Forza 5 why low framerate be, just want to be a Gran turismo wannabee,
      Ryse son rome why are you GOW clone? Killzone kicks your ass to make you go Home!!
      Xbro’s so what are ya waiting for, go preorder and get beaten on the floor

      • twinspectre

        you forget YO! lol

        • Jeremiah Enrile

          Hahahaha Yeah i forgot about Yo, i’ll edit it and put it at the end :)

  • pazuzu666

    i am going to love when dualshocherks and its pslosers fanboys get owned when this article is proven wrong,the tears are going to be amazing! stay tune n be ready to put offline this article *dualshockers*

    • Jeremiah Enrile

      PS fanboys are already full because of the tasty tears of xbots. since 2008. oh and we are enjoying “20″ exclusives for this year “alone”. while 360 has,, has,, 3 exclusives?? world of tanks? titanfall which is also on PC and fable legends?? Hhahahaha

  • John Mumpitz

    Are You guys really THAT dumb?

    it was just incorrectly adjusted, he even said it:

    1. the Forza 5 press room the situation was even worse, with the picture quality defined as “rough” like what you’d see if the output was 720p
    see, forza 5 runs nativ 1080p, so The screen settings Are just wrong.

    2. The gist of the problem is that in the Forza 5 corner of the Microsoft booth things looked so bad that the monitors seemed badly adjusted

    so, SONY FANBOYS: STFU!

    • Jeremiah Enrile

      how about this post?? http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=679469 enjoy!! Hahaha RYSE 900p?? Killer instinct 720p?? only upscaled to 1080p?? pretty powerful huh?? straight from greenberg himself :)

      • John Mumpitz

        FORZA 5 is confirmed as running at 1080p with 60 FPS.

        Show me a _SINGLE_ PS4 RETAIL EXCLUSIVE LAUNCH GAME that runs at 1080p and 60 fps! :) ;)

        • Jeremiah Enrile
          • John Mumpitz

            60 fps yes, 1080p no. its 720p in multiplayer mode. why else is the SINGLE PLAYER only in 30 fps 1080p…

          • Anon

            You are so far into delusion it could be labeled a mental illness. The developers themselves have said it’s 1080p 60fps in multiplayer.

          • Maurice Wilburn

            They said they are targeting 60fps for multiplayer, and with the campaign running at 30fps, it wouldn’t at all be surprising if it was scaled down.

          • John Mumpitz

            ok, so: SINGLE PLAYER which is consumes far less power than multiplayer, runs at 30 fps and 1080p, CONFIRMED, and you are thinking that the MULTIPLAYER MODE will run at 1080p@60fps with the same amount of details? SERIOUSLY? LOGIC ANYWHERE?!?! and you are talking about “delusion”?!??!

            TRUTHFACT:

            KILLZONE

            SINGLE PLAYER 1080p@30 fps.

            MULTIPLAYER 720p@60fps and they are only TARGETTING 60fps! they are not sure yet!

            Source: http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/08/22/killzone-shadow-fall-multiplayer-targeting-60fps/

            USE YOUR BRAIN!

        • Anon

          Forza 5 is the ONLY exclusive that runs at 1080p and 60 fps on Xbox One, all while the game is shipping as an unfinished product. Microsoft using ESRAM is this generations stupid move.. similar to Sony choosing to put the cell in PS3.

          • John Mumpitz

            nope! its the same/similiar technology as XBOX 360, so developers know this and it was not really hard to develop games for XBOX 360 because XBOX ONE will use DIRECT X, which PS4 will ___NOT___ use! :)

            BESIDES:

            Show me a _SINGLE_ PS4 RETAIL EXCLUSIVE LAUNCH GAME that runs at 1080p and 60 fps! :) ;)

          • Anon

            You basically wrote “herp derp herp derp”. The technology is not as similar as you think. Also Direct X has been shot down various times as a thing of the past.. just take a look at some of the stuff Valve has brought up about OpenGL and how it out performs DX. Read some of the reports made by NBC, Digital Foundry, and major media outlets – PS4 is easier to port to and make games for compared to Xbox One.

            As for games Killzone does 1080p/60fps.. in fact more games on PS4 actually DO 1080p, unlike Xbox One which suffers from 720p/900p and bumpy framerates. Microsoft admit they were not looking to invest in particularly “good” components for Xbox One.. and most games will show this.

          • Maurice Wilburn

            MS said they didn’t target the highest end graphics, and considering PS4 is having trouble hitting 1080p 60fps, neither did they.

        • Mitchings

          Forza is also using baked lighting. It’s easier to push more pixels on a next-gen machine with current-gen solutions turned to 11.

          Driveclub for eg uses fully dynamic global illumination (the first racing game to do so) and they’re still openly pushing for 1080p 60fps.

    • Jeremiah Enrile
      • Maurice Wilburn

        A game that runs on PS3 running at 1080p 60fps on a next-gen console is no technical feat.

        • Jeremiah Enrile

          a cracing game is not a technical feat either so you can’t use that as an example of the power of xbone. if ryse is 1080p native then well talk. Sorry xbone still not better

          • Maurice Wilburn

            Not about the Xbox One being better, it’s about fanboys bloating the specs of the PS4. Show me a game on the PS4 running 1080p and pushing more polygons than Ryse.

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            Sorry But saying ryse is looking better than any PS4 game is farfetched and can be only said by a fanboy. Killzone shadow fall has more going on and yet they still deliver 1080p albeit it sometimes drops from 60fps. MS just so happens to release their graphical powerhouse first. wait till quantic dream makes use of the dark sorcerer demo engine. im sorry but this tech demo although a demo still is running “realtime”. and it blows Ryse out of the water. not to mention naughty dog and sony santa monica still quiet about their next game. celebrate while you can. because it won’t last

          • Maurice Wilburn

            Killzone runs at 60fps at an unknown resolution. And more going on? You must have not seen Ryse at E3, because there is a lot going on. A tech demo says little about the power of a console. I look forward to seeing what Naughty Dog and Santa Monica have in store, but until then I think everyone’s better off not making claims of what console is more powerful.

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            Ryse more going on?? SOrry bro those Explosions, sinking ships are “staged” and is meant to happen not random. You want another pic?? Killzone has “Expansive” city. bigger than those of ryse. you do know how taxing it is to render a giant city like skyrim right? Anyway im just wasting time talking to you. Just like what MS PR guys says. Let the games do the talking… Funny, because Sony has been doing that for a long time since 1995 with the Playstation One.

          • Ω GUNTZ

            Sports team mentality, sir. Justification of years of service in fandom.

          • John Mumpitz

            THAT is tech demo und it wasn’ even 1080p, only 800p AND you know what? TECH DEMOES ALWAYS look WAY BETTER than the console can actually achieve! just look at all those TECH DEMOES of the ps1, ps2 and ps3! all those TECH DEMOS looked way better than any of those consoles could achieve!

          • Mitchings

            All of QD’s games look better than their prior tech demos..

            The Casting < Heavy Rain
            Project Kara < Beyond: Two Souls

            I expect the same from whatever comes after the Dark Sorcerer Tech Demo; especially when you consider it's running on a port of the PS3 engine.

  • Jeremiah Enrile

    citing a racing game as good example of Xbone capability. hahaha. well PS3 runs Gran turismo 5 at 1080p native 60fps. bottomline, dont make racing games an example because its not a taxing game unlike openworlds or FPS. Here Battlefield 4 on PS4 is 1080p 60fps unlike Xbone http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/forum/threadview/2832654490215287621/ sigh why do people still say otherwise and deny? :)

    • Maurice Wilburn

      Here’s an article talking about the Gamescom build on PS4 Gamescom: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/23/gamescom-battlefield-4s-graphics-lacking-on-ps4

      • Jeremiah Enrile

        Sorry bro, nor does any site claims that Xbone BF4 is better. MS afraid to release some news for that.

        • Maurice Wilburn

          Never said it did, but at the very least it proves your post wrong.

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            My post is never wrong. EA initially stated they will push 1080p 60fps on PS4. guess what, PS4 is not yet released and so does BF4. can’t wait for it to launch and see your dissapointed face. sorry but comparisons im confident on this. Look at GTA V ps3 vs. 360. go to digital foundry and they chose PS3 as the winner. considerign PS3 is still hard to develop… how much more if PS4 vs. xbone multiplats??

          • Maurice Wilburn

            You said BF4 on PS4 “IS running at 1080p 60fps,” not aiming for, which only goes to show that any comparisons at this point is pointless, as are any claims of which console is more powerful.

          • Jeremiah Enrile

            anything to downplay PS4 and pull up xbone right?

          • Guy Brohski

            Dice themseleves stated that BF4 is sub-1080p on PS4 you idiot.

          • Maurice Wilburn

            I never said PS4 was inferior, or it didn’t have more power, I’m simply saying wait for the final games to be released. I doubt the games at launch will even show the full capabilities of the systems, which makes claiming one more powerful than the other all the more nonsensical.

  • Maurice Wilburn

    Man Sony fanboys are like starving wolves. How about letting the final game be released before bashing Microsoft. If this is the same build from Gamescom(which was in fact running on Xbox One hardware) that chalks the issue up to the badly adjusted monitors.

    • Ω GUNTZ
      • Alex Brown

        Haha, yesss! Can’t wait for the new season to start this weekend.

        • Ω GUNTZ

          don’t get why people are falling on the sword for MS’s sake. MS designed the Xbone the way they did for a reason, and MS will have to live with it for the next 5-7 years or whenever the next round of consoles come about.

          Just accept it and stop trying to desperately obfuscate and downplay the PS4′s specs…

          • Mildra

            Confirmation bias, i’d imagine is the reason why. Though my issue has been less about hardware and more one of ethics.

          • Testsubject909

            I can definitely agree with you. My main issue is that of ethics myself. Principles people, principles…

            It’s just that after the initial wave of disgust at Microsoft’s lack of ethics as they were blinded with the prospect of creating a system where they could monopolize everything in one fell swoop in a vain attempt to rival Apple rather then rival Sony.

            Well… Then the news on the console began to slowly stream in and console specs comparison began as well as the ease of development on either sides and everything just kept making the Xbox One looking worse and worse, with the only minor positive on Microsoft’s end being that they kept on doing 180s.

            But nonetheless, they still maintain the usual attitude of “Problems? Sweep it under the rug” that I’m growing sick of.

          • Mildra

            Funny you mention apple, since the attitudes of Microsoft’s PR division (and apologists) borders on a cult at times.

            You can sum up all my problems with microsoft’s attitudes in one sentence: “Are you truly sorry for what you did, or are you sorry you got caught?”.

          • Ω GUNTZ

            :/

          • Alex Brown

            Ahh, it’s all relative man. You can think Microsoft fucked up all you want, but the truth remains that the XB1 is a lot more powerful than both current gen systems and that’s what really matters. Comparing the specs of the PS4 and XB1 are useless because 3rd party developers will always, always develop for the lowest end hardware anyway. The games on XB1 are still going to look a lot better than they look on the 360 and PS3, and I don’t know about you but I am still, to this day, very impressed with what they’ve been able to eke out of current gen hardware. I mean, maybe I’m getting old, but games like GTA V, Halo 4, and The Last of Us look absolutely amazing to me, almost to the point where I just don’t want games to start looking much better because it will be scary.

            Besides, if you’re really that much of a “spec guy”, why are you into consoles in the first place? You should be gaming on PC.

          • Ω GUNTZ

            I dunno, if the PS4 is more easier to program for than the xboner, as other Devs have been saying, it’s not much of a stretch to figure out out what will be the lead platform. Regardless of what console is more powerful

          • Alex Brown

            See, why did you have to go there? Anytime someone says a word as ridiculous as “xboner” that person more-or-less loses all credibility. Furthermore, using that particular word shows bias, which is never going to help you in an argument. Now it’s easy for me, or anyone else, to simply dismiss anything you have to say about the Xbox One. Not to mention, you decided to make the conversation about specs again, which says to me that that’s all you really care about, to which I must still wonder why you aren’t just gaming on PC’s if specs are apparently so important to you?

          • Ω GUNTZ

            Yeah heard whispers from Epic Games,
            MR said “Yeah, we’re really pleased with what we got – at least so far from Sony
            This is a phenomenal piece of hardware and we’re going to do amazing things with it.”

            TS said “Sony has defined an ideal next-generation platform”

            SG said “Having 8GB of DDR5 ram is staggering, as the speed that the data can be shifted around outstrips that 8GB. However, as a smallish indie, to us it’s not about what we can do, it’s about what we can do well. 1080p, 60fps, 3D is where it’s at, and so far we’re blown away by what we’ve managed to achieve with the hardware. Currently our imaginations are running away with themselves”

            I know 4 a fact Snowdrop is running better on the PS4 then on a Xbox One.

          • Alex Brown

            I don’t even know what MR, TS, or SG are? But even still, I have no idea what your post has to do with anything that I was saying to you…and thanks for the downvotes. Very mature of you.

          • Ω GUNTZ

            You gotta to justify that $500 pricetag somehow or bust. :/
            http://i.imgur.com/OBwVLg6.png

        • Ω GUNTZ

          HEHE

  • Jack Slater

    Honestly, who really believe in this calibration issues? We’re close to 2014, folks, we plug that HDMI cable and that’s all, it works. OK, some TVs may have some average factory setting and require -2 or +3 adjustments on contrast or brightness. But in most cases, it works, today, even the cheapest TV uses a +10th generation of LCD , and above 32″, if it says full HD, then it handles full HD.
    So, we could have a defective cable on ONE TV. But since they all look the same, the problem comes from the game itself.or is the 6% overclock microsoft did, and the system isn’t stable anymore, and the rrod v2 is not that far away?

    OK guys, let’s say it’s a calibration problem. I would advise them to call a good friend of mine, expert in calibrating stuff, his name is Garrus.

    • Maurice Wilburn

      Well since the guy who actually played it said there was a difference between the conference room version and the one he played at the booth, and the author of the article found the Gamescom build(which was the same build) impressive, it makes a good case.

  • john smith

    I’m really getting sick of all this MS hate coming from the same group of immature people. Back in my day it was all about the games and not about the platform. Nowadays it seems to be all about the platform and not the games. These are definitely messed up times.

  • Steve Denninger

    Remember when Deep Down was the BEST LOOKING GAME! What happened to that? HAHA. FAIL.

  • Joe

    Sony fanboys need to get laid. I’m serious, they are swarming all over the internet 24/7. Go outside for once.

  • BrightBart

    It still looks better than Drive Club.

    • TristanPR77

      Jajaja yeah righ

  • Scott Gresham

    I know one thing for sure:

    The guy playing can’t drive.

    • Ω GUNTZ

      Just shut up and take my money (`_´)ゞ

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