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Mark Cerny: “We Don’t Say Here’s a Box you Can Watch TV On;” “Huge Audience” for Consoles Focused on Games

by on November 11, 2013 11:33 PM 153

PlayStation 4′s Lead Architect Mark Cerny is very confident on the potential of Sony’s upcoming console as a machine created primarily for games, and while it can do other things too, he doesn’t have any qualms in identifying the difference with Microsoft’s message, as he told Brian Crecente of Polygon in a quite interesting interview.

Well, PlayStation 4 is not strictly about games. I mean, look around this room right now and you’ll see all the different things that you can do that are not games, like the Hulu and the Netflix and all of those things.

It’s just that when we go out and we talk about it, we talk about it as primarily a game console. And by the way, it does those other things too.

We don’t go out there and say, “hey, here’s a box you can watch TV on.”

When Crecente pressed him on whether there’s still room in the market for a console based primarily on games, Cerny was positive on the fact that there is.

I think that yes, there’s a huge audience for devices that primarily play games.

Hard not to agree with him. Sure, there may very well be gazillions of people out there that play on smartphones, tablets, or other devices that have other primary purposes, but the hype for the next generation of consoles is real, and it’s definitely not the echo of a small, niche market.

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  • b00mfargl3

    derp

  • Stereotypical_White_Fella

    this creepy white dude lol

    • http://dualshockers.com Joel Taveras

      I just want Mark Cerny to hold me in a warm embrace from behind and whisper in my ear “don’t worry baby, I’m going to take care of you”

      Is that weird?

    • Antonio Banderas

      I think you just described yourself!

  • http://www.videogamesandnews.com/ THE RED DRAGON

    PS4 has 13 Apps at launch – None are supported by the PS4 Camera voice commands

    Xbox One has over 20 apps – many with voice

    Nothing wrong with the focus on gaming. But theres nothing wrong in delivering other media as well. Many gamers & families use these consoles as more than gaming machines.

    There were actually more hours spent consuming entertainment than gaming online – and this was a trend that took over back last year in 2012.

    http://allthingsd.com/20120327/xbox-users-clocking-more-hours-gobbling-media-than-gaming-online/

    I see nothing wrong with innovation, and I think the voice commands & apps are nice added perks to have. I really hope and WANT Sony to not neglect this area. Especially considering their platform is much more friendlier with not hiding apps behind paywalls. I also want to see more devs take advantage of the PS4 hardware in this dept concerning voice commands. I know the camera is more than capable – PS4 even lets you use voice commands without having to own a camera.

    Considering I am getting both a PS4 & Xbox – I want both to be packed full with as many features as possible. I like the TV features – apps – voice commands. I don’t think there is anything wrong with having more stuff like that. I don’t think it takes anything away from the gaming aspect of the machine. Competition & added features are good – and it only adds to the experience.

    I did add to this, because my original comment didn’t fully represent what I was trying to convey.

    • Imperial Captain Zimmerman

      apps…My smartphone does that

    • SwappingFrom360toPS4

      your youtube channel is sh*t… sad xbox fanboy

      • quinten488

        not really him i bet

      • http://www.videogamesandnews.com/ THE RED DRAGON

        says swapping from 360 to ps4 lol – calm down. I’m planning on picking up both PS4 & XB1 – but theres no reason to shame innovative features.

        • SwappingFrom360toPS4

          of course i am swapping from 360 to PS4, it is the better choice.

          and i cant believe this is actually the real you, this is so sad…

          • twinspectre

            yeah and i watch this guy videos

        • Sgt. ThroatPunch

          Yeah, you got dealt with…

          • http://youtube.com/user/iamthebomb17 iamthebomb17

            more like – you just got dealt the fck with!

        • peterpansyndrome94

          unsubbed

        • twinspectre

          probably you say both because you want people to click the agree button XD

        • twinspectre

          i think you dont get it

          Mark Cerny said the PS4 can do the same thing like the Xbone720p

          but sony are advertising the console as a Gaming machine

          and MS are advertising the Xbone720p for other thing non gaming related

    • bluex610

      Having apps behind a pay wall is not a win for Xbox One. Stop trying to downplay everything Sony does. MS uses a triple OS system and because of that, the games are suffering.

      No where does Mark Cerny says Xbox One apps are inferior, he states that it’s not a pivotal part of the architecture.

    • adlez

      Please Dragon, don’t come to Us whit this… go play xbox, don’t start taking sides… you are better when you are not taking sides in the Console war…

    • SwappingFrom360toPS4

      let’s just flip this around to a situation that actually matters.

      PS4 is gaming focused

      Xbox One is TV focused – Microsoft can claim that it can play games also – but that doesn’t mean it does it well.

      Hmm which would i prefer

      • bluex610

        BURN!!!!

      • XBOXer to PSer

        FATALITY ..

        • Krepler

          LMFAO

      • Prime157

        Ha! That flip was genius.

      • Maurice Wilburn

        Fanboy insight always astounds me.

      • twinspectre

        probably i’ll get both Wii U and the PS4 , because both are gaming focused

      • Ridonculous People

        Okay what? All-in-one in no way means TV focused. It takes a broader focus of doing well in multiple categories as opposed to excelling at one facet. Everybody knows the graphics will be better on PS4 at launch and that it will likely maintain its lead in that area.

        However, just because it runs games at a higher resolution doesn’t mean runs smoother or has steadier networks. 300,000 servers and you claim its gaming capabilities are a side-job? Give your head a shake.

        • twinspectre

          and you believe 300.000 are dedicated for gaming only ?

          • Ridonculous People

            Obviously not. It does however show their currently unparalleled commitment to solid network infrastructure and multi-player experience. Speculatively, I can’t see less than the majority of the servers being used for something other than gaming. Can you think of anything that would require it?

          • Glasscut

            300,000 cloud servers… and from what we experienced with GTA V.. Cloud servers are terrible..

        • Glasscut

          300,000 cloud servers not physical servers.. If you played GTA V.. You will see how smooth cloud servers are.. muahahahaa What a joke.. Xbone is done..

          • Ridonculous People

            Oh right because they won’t ever improve upon it, the technology will stay at its current state hopeless for any further development.

            Enjoy your beefier PS3. I bet you have a flip-phone too.

      • Daniel Lawson

        the amount of stupid in your comment is amazing… a clear Sony Pony… you are a meat head

    • KuchikiSentou

      The Camera is not integral. Sony knows that people don’t want to use that for navigation and such.
      Gamers will use it mostly for streaming.
      Plus, the Playroom is also interesting as Sony is making content for it.

      It’s a weak comparison to pit the Camera against Kinect. The Kinect IS the XBox One. For PS, the Camera is an add-on, a peripheral. Huge difference.

    • Giuseppe Nelva

      I think his point is exactly that PS4 is not about “apps”.

      It’s about games.

      Then whether you care more about one or the other, is your choice.

      • raiden

        my smart phone,computer,tablet does that
        do you think it is a wise choise to choose one for this?

        • Jeremy Jacinto

          do you think your smart phone,computer,tablet does/can play halo,forza , resistance, uncharted, god of war, rachet and clank, infamous, mario series, pokemon series, bayonetta + 1000s more? This is why consoles are still around: Great Games

          • raiden

            i know they cant do that.doesnt matter.my pc and tablet are beside of my console
            i can switc into them like 10 second.we should see the main point of the console.the game
            the game is what it is.look at nintendo.they stiil the same but they sales more than m$ and sony.a console should just play the games in the first place.not app or windows8

    • postedup0

      Who cares? I’m buying a ps4 for games, and I’ll buy an x1 eventually for its games too. The media capabilities are nice but I’m more excited to see what [enter developer here] can do with the console. I stuck with 360 in the beginning for games like gears and bioshock, and shifted to PS3 for games like uncharted, gow and last of us. Apps or kinect didn’t do a damn thing for me.

    • Josiah Grey

      We’re at that day and age where apps are before games now huh? Maybe Apple should come into gaming, Microsoft will have REAL competition then lmfao

      • Marquis Regalia

        We don’t need another fanboy faction ._. 2 is enough. Wait I need to count Wii U 2.5 factions? :3

    • http://youtube.com/user/iamthebomb17 iamthebomb17

      oh noez I cant view my casual trash apps on my GAMING console, whatever shall I do!

      lmfao

    • You are flat out wrong

      Hey Xdrone, your crap channel sucks.

    • Xbone

      Oh that’s nice of microsoft: When your controller runs out of non rechargeable batteries you can still use your voice to pay to (again) pay to watch t.v. online. sooo very next gen… Die Xbone die.

    • Atrocity

      Your youtube videos blow, keep spewing your narcocistic MS PR bullshit.

    • twinspectre

      who cares about the voice command ,are you so lazy to push a button ???

    • Glasscut

      Damn too bad all that badassery hit a 720p ceiling when one can buy a 4K Tv for $1000… Thanks for a useless wall-o-text..

  • OnlyWar

    Xbox sucks.

    • Russell Gorall

      I’m not sure what Xbox One is doing is going to affect my enjoyment of PS4 on Friday.

      Did you buy some stock in Sony after posting this?

      • OnlyWar

        Its all in good fun. Judging from the amount of upvotes, people seem to agree with me.

        • Tyler Davis

          People who aren’t logged in can’t downvote my friend. Xbox One does 1080p by the way…… Might want to fix that graphic slightly.

          Also – cloud computing kind of beats hardware as it is scaleable in the background and will show which system really shines in the long term.

          • OnlyWar

            All the biggest games are only 720p on Xbox One.

            Call of Duty, Battlefield, Assassins Creed, etc.

            Meanwhile they are all a higher resolution on PS4.

          • Tyler Davis

            So what you are saying is the Xbox One does 1080p passive aggressively. Spreading misinformation is just stupid. No matter what – games will always run best on PC. These silly consoles will never be able to compare.

            Also – from what I hear, that 1080 for COD gets you a lot of framerate dips on PS4 vs. a silky smooth 60fps constant on Xbox One. I would much rather have silky smooth over chug – but that’s just me (and every gamer in the world) talking.

          • OnlyWar

            have fun with your 720p Box, loser!

          • Tyler Davis

            That went from discussion to child in about 1 post… Internet tough guy here calling people names… Grow up dude.

            Oh wait? What is this? The versions everyone has been playing 720p on are the ones that are having super laggy framerates on the PS4? I wonder how bad it’s going to get when they get it up to 1080? I hope they work that stuff out – I’ll be sitting on my 4k disply on PC :)

            http://www.craveonline.com/gaming/articles/603499-call-of-duty-ghosts-ps4-version-will-add-1080p-in-day-one-update

            Just to help invalidate your argument even more….

  • Dollow Rlance

    It begins soon.

  • Orlɛanž

    Yeah, but I can watch TV without the Xbox One right now. So it’s a pointless ‘feature’.

    • craig

      no but with xbox one you can double your electric bill,but playing your tv through your console to you screen.
      why pay for 2 devices to be running when u can pay for 3??

      on serious note i have tivo/virgin media(uk) so apart from titan fall nothing on xbone even tempts me.
      Sony and Ms have different paths it seems and im changing to sony for that reason

      • Maurice Wilburn

        The paths are the same, the only true difference is in the marketing and MS seems to be pushing games just as hard if not harder than their other features.

  • peterpansyndrome94

    “Brian Crecente of Polygon”- of Kroptaku, eh? so this is Polygon is crap too

    • r34p3r

      Brian Crecente has been a known XBox Fanboy for years. When Sony snubbed them years ago in a PR related issue, Crecente made it his goal to downplay them every chance possible on Kotaku.

  • https://www.youtube.com/ButtonBros TheRedButterfly
    • Antonio Banderas

      All I see is 2 muppet try-hards.

      GREATNESS AWAITS!

      • https://www.youtube.com/ButtonBros TheRedButterfly

        Then I suppose you can be the one to lead the rebellion against Official Playstation Magazine and their ‘review’ of Knack.

        • Antonio Banderas

          I am Antonio Banderas, I don’t care for reviews or other people’s opinions. I play what I want to play. And what I want to play is all on PS4, Vita, and Wii-U.

          GREATNESS AWAITS!

          • https://www.youtube.com/ButtonBros TheRedButterfly

            On Wii U maybe.

  • Marquis Regalia

    Basically they’re saying:

    Sony: Here’s a gaming console and oh yeah it can do other stuff like TV too
    MS: Here’s an all in one entertainment box oh yeah it can play games too.

    Same message really but the way they said it made a ton of difference. Not fanboying or anything I like the competition and encourage it. But the early lead goes to Sony on this one

    • Maurice Wilburn

      Pretty much, points to Sony for their marketing, but it’s a petty distinction at best.

      • Marquis Regalia

        Agree. Well marketing is just a matter of perception anyway eventually it’ll snow ball and people will band wagon. Its nice to read on fanboy wars though nice way to pass a few mins chomping on popcorn

    • Asif Bashir

      Exactly.

    • Trim Dose

      MS: Here’s an all in one entertainment box oh yeah it can play games too miserably.

      ^^^FIXED

      • Marquis Regalia

        I’ll reserve judgement after I get my hands on them

    • Russell Gorall

      Except you need to pay fifty dollars a year to play music. They haven’t fully explained that one, hopefully a patch for mp3′s, audio CD’s and DLNA comes soon.

  • PrinceHeir

    let’s go!

  • Maurice Wilburn

    For those who are ill-informed the Xbox One isn’t about letting you “watch TV,” it integrates the TV with your console meaning you don’t have to change the inputs on your TV and you don’t need a remote to switch channels, it’s about making things more seamless which is a nice. Yes, it was over promoted, but X1 is just as focused on games if not more so, it’s not a matter of choosing one thing over the other.

    • Yorick

      In the long run, Microsoft will run out of games just like what happened with the 360. Microsoft doesn’t have a good range of gaming studios like Sony does.

      • Maurice Wilburn

        That can change, MS is already putting to together 5 new studios. Honestly I think only a handful of Sony’s studios are worth noting(Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Media Molecule). Although it doesn’t really matter much I think their partnerships with companies like Epic and Remedy serve just as well as 1st party studios.

  • You are flat out wrong

    Based Mark Cerny cuts through the bull and humiliates Hryb, Penello, Spencer, Mehdi and all the other losers. Xbox LOST.

  • RealityCheck2013

    Well i bought a PS1 & PS2 & PS3 for just GAMING & am buying the PS4 for just GAMING to :P

  • Asif Bashir

    The reason why many users on Xbox use apps and spend most of their time on the dashboard and Netflix is simple…Xbox LACKS GAMES. I should know as I am one of those gamers that is truly sick of the complete lack of exclusives and new IP’s on the Xbox. Having being on the Xbox since the original with over 10yrs of Xbox Live I want to play games, I want to enjoy having fun on games. I do not want to be sitting on the dashboard checking out apps. This is why I am moving over to the PS4, Sony cater for the gamers, real gamers.

    • Maurice Wilburn

      That theory is a stretch…even if there isn’t much in terms of exclusives(I would suggest checking out XBLA) there is a ton of excellent third party games. “real gamers,” sounds worse than that “PC master race” garbage. I’d also think it fair to assume people who pay for Netflix intend on watching netflix for reasons other than using it as a gaming alternative.

      • Asif Bashir

        It’s not theory it’s fact. XBLA has tons of rubbish on there and hardly worthy of ‘exclusive’ as a title imo. I am talking about exclusives along the lines of what Sony have. Back when the original Xbox came out they had the power and they had the games now with the 360 it only has the same boring cycle of Halo, Gears, Forza and maybe a Fable. How many real disc based i.e. full game non arcade titles which are exclusives have been released on the 360 compared to the PS3? The thing is I am a gamer, I used to be a huge 360 fanboy but I’ve owned nearly every console to date going as far back as the C64. I want a company that is bringing out a games console to take gamers seriously and before Microsoft has even launched next gen they have not only made a mockery of the gamers but they have also insulted my intelligence with their stupidity and nonsense. I am ashamed to continue to support a company that devalues it’s customers with such disgrace.

        • Maurice Wilburn

          It’s a theory with a very weak base at that. I don’t know exactly how MS has insulted your intelligence, but I don’t think you should let emotion be a deciding factor when you are being sold a product. I think the number of exclusives is roughly the same though PS3 pushed out more later on.

          • Asif Bashir

            They insulted me and millions of others with their overall debacle on trying to enforce DRM, saying they cannot take off DRM aka Major Nelson and the ‘flip switch’ along with Panello on twitter saying a heap of rubbish which blew back in his face recently along with saying how they practically don’t know and cant know simple things to do with games. Also how they purposefully had PC’s running their games, also games that have been downgraded graphically along with resolution and lets not forget about forced Kinect. Overall I am not in the interest as a gamer to have a company such as Microsoft try all the above mentioned plus all the rest since reveal to ‘insult my intelligence’ thinking that they can get away with this. I just feel sorry for those that are buying into Microsoft’s utter nonsense and stupidity. Overall the issue is not the case of price it is more so of a company who already lacks decent games and new IP’s and fails to secure new IP’s i.e. Ninja Gaiden, Mass Effect etc who want to then just talk about how their console is for viewing TV then apps then games…I can see things for what they really are and until Microsoft sort themselves out I will not buy the Xbox One although it is a shame as I really do want it but Microsoft are pushing me really far away.

          • Maurice Wilburn

            I guess it really depends how you read into it. As I understand the DRM was necessary for a few of the features they intended to implement which is why I suppose they “couldn’t.” I don’t know what to make of the games running on PC at E3, but I don’t think any significant difference between the E3 game builds and current builds have been noted, except the changes to Ryse which I don’t think had much to do with that. I think MS is doing a good job building the Xbox One as a gaming platform, at the very least it seems they are taking gamers seriously.

          • NachoKingP

            I cannot argue with the fact that Microsoft’s message has been muddled from the beginning, but a lot of the ire over their original DRM stance was really based on misinformation. I personally am angry that all the circus surrounding the issue forced Microsoft to change their mind, they should have stuck to their guns because the features they were offering were freaking COOL. But of course, butthurt entitled players don’t actually bother to get the correct information, and Microsoft is bad at explaining how the system works (because they were focused on showing off the TV features), and gaming journalists misreported facts and made assumptions that weren’t true, and the whole world collapsed under the weight of the outrage of the gamer.

            As for using PCs at press events, that’s so common it’s almost cliche. If you think Microsoft is the only company who does that, you’re WAY off base. It’s been happening forever, and will continue to do so, because at the start of console launch cycles, developers find it’s easier to code on the PC than a dev kit, or don’t have enough dev kits to do a proper demo, or having it run on PC is more stable until they work out the bugs of the console, or any combination of those reasons and other reasons. You can’t blame Microsoft for that, you really can’t, that’s the way the business works. Blame the devs if anything.

            Kinect integration isn’t for everyone, but that’s the strategy they went with, like it or not. If you don’t like it, there’s not much I can say about that, you just don’t like it. You don’t have to use it if you don’t want to.

            I also wish there were more console exclusives available, and the PS3 exclusives are more numerous, but I more attribute that to the fact that Sony owns a lot more development studios than Microsoft does. I mean truly, Microsoft owns very few shops, whereas Sony has quite a good portfolio available to them, all churning out great quality products because they can focus on one single piece of hardware. Any time you don’t have to worry about multiplatform compatibility, you’re going to get a tighter, more optimized game, that’s just common sense. Microsoft doesn’t have many studios that do that, and it shows in the exclusives. Tying down Titanfall (as they did with Halo for the original Xbox) is a big score for Microsoft, although since EA isn’t QUITE the tiny company that Bungie was back in the day, I doubt we’ll see that exclusivity last beyond this game for the franchise.

          • twinspectre

            Dictating is Cool :)

          • NachoKingP

            Family share WAS cool. Having all your games available on any console you log into WAS cool. If you didn’t understand the program, then read more about it before protesting.

          • twinspectre

            buddy you should know DRM is Cancer for Gaming , when Microsoft will enable the DRM you will realize it’s a bad thing

          • NachoKingP

            And your opinion is based on what knowledge that you have? From everything I saw, it was just a means of preventing someone from buying a single copy of a game and letting all his friends play it without having to get their own copy. It is literally impossible to have digital gaming without some form of DRM, it already exists on XBL and PSN. You can’t just go around putting copies of your games on every system you go to and expect them without being logged in. That’s DRM as well. Not ALL DRM is bad, and if you want to get new features and new technologies, it’s going to have to exist in SOME form.

          • twinspectre

            SEGA deserve to Return making GAMING CONSOLE instead of M$

        • sazse

          I own both 360 and PS3 and I can say things arent better Sony side! Killzone, graphics aside, isnt a good shooter at all (thats why PS4 launch lineup seems a little dry to me). God of War Ascension was a total let down. Repetition over the top!! Have you ever played Beyond? Man, that cant be called a game. Boring,boring, boring!!! So, in fact, we have left Uncharted, which formula is a bit exhausted also… Im not very optmistic nowadays…

          • jerry

            You know it is easy to criticize recent PS3 exclusives (although you tactically “forgot” The Last of Us – one of if not the best game of this generation). It is next to impossible to criticize recent 360 exclusives on the other hand. There are none to talk about in the first place.

          • sazse

            I havent “tactically forgot” The Last of Us. I havent played The Last of Us, so I cant comment on that. Dont start conspiracy theories. Ive played all the other titles I mentioned and, sorry, that is my honest opinion.

          • jerry

            We could have a long discussion about whether Killzone 3 was a good shooter (I think it was decent, not great) or whether Beyond: Two Souls is a great game (I think it is! Glad there is someone has this “different approach” to game development). And we probably would not reach conclusion even after a long argument on those topics. The sad part is when you look at 360′s recent lineup, there is nothing to discuss at all. Nothing. Thats why things definitely and without any doubt ARE better at Sony side even if not every single of Sony exclusives is GotY worthy.

          • sazse

            I totally agree with you on that first point. There arent real valuable exclusives on 360 recent lineup (or even announced on Xbox One, by the way). Halo 4 was the system swan song. Thats why I stated ” Im not very optmistic nowadays…”. Lets see what next year reserves to us gamers.

          • Asif Bashir

            Have you played the new Killzone? I mean actually fully played the release? Probably not. I cannot speak for the other games you mentioned as I have not played them but from what I heard Acension wasn’t all that great and beyond two souls had mixed reviews. The thing is Sony HAS new IP’s and developers that take their time making games and not rushing them out like Microsoft is well known for. Go and look up what Microsoft has done this gen, they shut down studios, messed around Bungie with Halo 2 and Halo 3 so they took their chance and left. Bizarre Creations were forced to rush PGR 3 and eventually they also left. The thing is Sony ARE catering for gamers, they are not backtracking, they are not making up nonsense and they ARE ensuring they deliver the best product. Overall Sony has won me over simply because they took interest in me, the consumer, the gamer no.1 priority over anything else.

          • twinspectre

            you forget Microsoft killed one of the best in the gaming industries RAREWARE forcing them to make stupid Kinect games

          • Bankai

            Killzone was always a great shooter,criminally underrated, but still great. Ascension wasn’t that great because we were promised a more human Kratos, but didn’t get it outside of a few cutscenes. I haven’t played Beyond, so no comment.

            And why’d you stop at Uncharted? There are far more exclusives besides the 4 you mentioned, but you conveniently chose to stop there. For starters there’s LittleBigPlanet, Hyperdimension Neptunia, InFamous, Yakuza, Gran Turismo, The Last of Us, Soul Sacrifice, Gravity Rush, etc.

            Yes I mentioned some Vita exclusives, but I was trying to prove Asif Bashir’s point that Sony constantly puts out new IP, whereas Microsoft seems to be trying to pull a Nintendo and relying on the same old ones.

          • twinspectre

            Ryse is like dialing a phone number
            DS3 it seems this game doesn’t have a story
            Forza5 is a ripoff

    • Matt

      Why not go all out and build a PC… You gain ultimate control over the experience you want to have. There really is no excuse these days for not doing so… seeing as you’re willing to give up Microsoft exclusives to switch over to Sony then there should be no regrets giving them both up. It’s not expensive per se… a $1000 PC is far more capable than a $400 console and you don’t have to deal with a yearly subscription fee. You don’t have to convert right away; by this time next year you’ll be able to build a PC more powerful than a PS4 for the same price as an XB1.

      Just a suggestion.

      • twinspectre

        did you know Playstation has it’s own Exclusive games ?

        • Matt

          “seeing as you’re willing to give up Microsoft exclusives to switch over
          to Sony then there should be no regrets giving them both up”

    • drakesfortune

      I won’t agree there at all. I’m platform agnostic, but I have over 100 360 games, most of them of very high quality. PS3 does too. They both do. I can’t imagine a gamer not being able to find at least 75 games they’d like on either platform (including multiplatform games). 360 had plenty of great exclusive content too.

    • Tyler Davis

      I think you have no concept of reality..

  • Mario

    For me this is just : pros and cons… your choice, but start saying that others are bad?. no no, that’s not right.

    I’m not agree with Mark this time.

  • Will Machado

    This image pretty much says everything to me:
    http://www.spawnfirst.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/xbox-one-vs-ps4-exclusives.jpg
    PS4 is more focused in quantity and quality of games than apps and features I’ll never use and I love this. Why better resolution and frame-rate if I can watch TV and use Skype while I’m playing, right? XOne is suitable for people with attention deficit disorder.

    • Maurice Wilburn

      No offense, but I don’t even think most people getting a PS4 can name half those games let alone care about them other than for the sake of bulking up the PS4′s numbers.

      • Will Machado

        But I’m not talking about most people, I’m talking about me and the games I care about. I’m more excited about inFamous: Second Son, The Order: 1886, Killzone: Shadow Fall, Rime, Daylight, DayZ, Warframe, DriveCllub, Deep Down, Shadow of The Beast, Basement Crawl, The Witness, Transistor among others, than the entire XOne lineup. And I don’t even need to mention Naughty Dog, Santa Monica, Guerrilla, Media Molecule, Quantic Dream, Bend Studio’s new IPs. But I admit that Quantum Break (because I loved Alan Wake) and Project Spark (because I love LittleBigPlanet) look like great games to me.

        • Maurice Wilburn

          Well we all have our personal taste, that said you might want to edit your original comment as I and I’m sure others take offense.

          • Will Machado

            No. I still see more quantity and quality at Sony’s side.

          • Maurice Wilburn

            I meant the part about Xbox One being suited for people with ADD.

        • Guest

          Nope. I still see more quantity and quality at Sony’s side.

        • Russell Gorall

          Again, what does Xbox One have to do with anything? Enjoy the console and try to stay away from fanboying corporations.

        • Tyler Davis

          You do realize that DayZ will come to Xbox One as well right?

      • Virdin Barzey

        Yeah, its kinda stupid since we all know that Sony has one real exclusive game for launch and it Killzone. Please don’t make the game argument since its really Sony’s weakest point comparing the launches. If most of those XBOX1 games turn out decent, they have initially lost the game argument among core gamers.
        Nevertheless, unless MS has some serious tricks up their sleeves, its no way they win the games argument moving forward.

    • twinspectre

      PS4 has more Games http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/gifs_201.gif
      lol xbot fanboys ” it’s all about the games “

      • Tyler Davis

        Indie games…. I generally play blockbusters – which MS has more of at launch my friend.

    • dgsgsd

      hahha a joke ? probably 5 games on that sony list worth money.. the rest are absolute trash..asianese crap that probably wont even have proper english lol that list is a huge promo for xbox one.. well the realistic ones.. i could write 1000 random names on a paper and call them new games aswell :P but who would give a shit..there just noname games the no frillz of the gaming release schedule

      • drakesfortune

        5 launch period games are fine with me. I don’t care either way. I bought both the One and the PS4. I’m happy with the launch lineup on both. I’m more excited for PS4 exclusives, just because I think Sony always really brings it with diverse, unique games. It’ll be fun to mess about with the One’s weird features, and hopefully I’ll find some use for the passthrough stuff and it’ll do some things I wasn’t expecting.

        When I bought a PS3 at launch I never imagined I’d be using the thing to watch streaming shows on the internet, as much as I use it for gaming. The PS3 turned out to do a ton of stuff that was bonus to what I bought it for.

        I’m hoping that some of the NFL and TV pass through stuff does unexpected and exciting stuff like that. But, at this point it’s like a fog to me. I’m not sure what those things will be, I’m just hopeful they’ll come in time.

    • Russell Gorall

      How is Xbox One going to affect you playing PS4? That is corporation fanboyism.

      Who cares?

    • Tyler Davis

      1st – I buy a console for high end graphics and a great online service. I don’t buy it for indie games. I can play those on a mid-range laptop via steam with my xbox controller plugged into it.

      Indie games will never move consoles when you have so many available on PC first.

  • Noni

    I just wish Sony began investing in their server infrastructure to help benefit online gaming and the competitive community. They seem to have forgotten about that. Ironically Microsoft has been the one investing billions of dollars into this avenue. Can’t wait for launch, but I can’t tell you how disappointed I am in the lack of dedicated servers for Killzone. And when I say lack, I don’t mean proxy servers to match players….I mean running game logic to help limit lag.

    If Sony wants us to believe they care about “gamers” then let them put their money where their mouth is. We are going to be paying for PSN now if we want multiplayer. So start investing in the server infrastructure.. Get PaPa Sony to throw some funds out there to be proactive instead of reactionary.

  • NachoKingP

    Microsoft’s online system has ALWAYS favored gamers, with better features and more server support. Microsoft also has a better Day One lineup than Sony does. I’m sorry, Knack and Killzone are not going to carry the system. Dead Rising 3, Forza 5, Ryse and Killier Instinct in general as a whole are better than the PS4 exclusive titles. So I’m not exactly sure why Microsoft is being accused of “ignoring gamers”. But hey, now I’ll get to be called a “fanboy” in the comments, so that should be fun. And for the record, I’ve owned every Sony console ever made, and every Microsoft console as well, and I will most likely own both new consoles within a year of their release, so it’s not like I’ve got a one-sided opinion.

    • You are flat out wrong

      Go away, marketer.

      • NachoKingP

        Wow, nice come back. I guess I am more right then I thought since that was the best you could do. My points were both accurate and valid.

        And I never said I wasn’t a fan of Sony, I am a fan of Sony. All I said was, I don’t get all the misguided hatred towards Microsoft making it seem like they aren’t “focused on games” because clearly they are. Sure, they’re marketing the other features too, and yes, I cannot argue that they are devoting a lot of resources to the system that could potentially limiting the system’s power, but that kind of stuff can be fixed with optimizations, and frankly, I think it’s awesome to have everything in one device.

    • Bankai

      Microsoft’s online system has favored vendors more than its favored gamers. Seriously, how many ads do they need to throw at people? As for the day one lineups, bigger isn’t better and even if it were, Microsoft has nothing impressive so far. Plus, with Killzone outpacing 3 of the Xbones top 3 exclusives combined, I’d say it doesn’t even need Knacks help.

      Frankly, Microsoft is blowing their load way too early. At their reveal, they announced that 15 exclusives would be coming to the Xbone in its first year and so far, we know of about 7 or 8 – most are launch titles. At E3, Sony announced that the PS4 would get 20 exclusives during its first year and right now we only know about 7 or 8 – 2 of which are launch titles and apparently Indies don’t count. So Sony has the advantage here because they’re spacing out their releases far better than Microsoft who seem to be sprinting, while Sony is running a marathon.

      The fact that the PS4 has far more pre-orders than the Xbone says a lot about the quality of Microsoft’s day one lineup and terrible marketing. And since you felt the need to say it, I’ll say it as well. I’ve owned both Xboxes and even a Kinect, so it’s not like I’ve got a one-sided opinion either.

      • NachoKingP

        Well, gonna disagree with you about online. PSN has always been playing catch up with regards to things like cross game chat, Achievements/Trophies, and server reliability. PSN DOES trounce XBL when it comes to perks for being a Plus member, at least in the current generation, but now that PS Plus is required to play games online for the next gen, I’m not entirely sure that will be the case any more.

        Of course Killzone is selling well, it’s basically the ONLY hardcore exclusive game available at launch! Knack is a kids game, NOT a hardcore game, and the rest of the launch lineup is multiplat games and crap. There is basically no other option than Killzone. And as you pointed out, with more preorders for PS4 than Xbox One, of course you’ll see more Killzone buys. And frankly, based on Killzone 3 at least, it’s a mediocre shooter franchise. The controls are loose and while it’s pretty, it’s not that much fun.

        There are not only MORE Xbox One exclusive titles at launch, they’re just better games. KI is kind of a throwaway, but the beauty of it is MS seems to know that because they’re giving it away for free, so people will at least be trying it. Dead Rising is just manic fun, and Ryse looks like a great mash up between God of War and the Arkham series combat system. Forza looks….unbelievably good, on par with what Polyphony Digital has given us at least. The Xbox launch lineup is just better, I don’t really see there being any argument there.

        I will give you that Microsoft’s marketing is complete garbage. It’s frankly embarrassing the way they’ve handled the entire launch since it was first announced, and then the “reversals”, and now the lack of focus. BUT, when all is said and done, I think the system offers a great blend of features.

        • XSpike

          Everyone likes bringing up MS has more exclusives… Yeah sure it does have more Xbox 1 exclusives at launch, but soon after at least as early next year MS will lose that title.

          But even so, Sony has more next-gen exclusives at launch going from Injustice, FF14, DCUO, WarThunder, & a few others sure some are F2P but you know there are some good F2P games out there DCUO and Warthunder being two of the goodies.

          PS4 will also have more next-gen exclusives after launch, where MS biggest title which always shows up as a MS exclusive on Xb1 where games on Sony side in the same situation doesn’t (Diablo 3 for example on PS4/3/PC) Titanfall is somehow counted as a pure Xbox 1 exclusive but its far from it.

          • NachoKingP

            Injustice is not an exclusive, I can buy that for my 360 right now. Sure, maybe it won’t be as pretty, but it’s basically the same game. The others are all MMOs, and that’s a very specific crowd.

            I don’t really get the point you’re trying to make in the last paragraph…

          • XSpike

            I did say next-gen exclusives its for games that only get released on one next-gen platform, so it gets released on 360/PS3/PS4/PC/PSVita but no Xbox One.. Its a PS4 next-gen exclusive

            People like all sorts of games, cutting them off the list because its an MMO, or F2P (even if they’re good), or its an old game getting upgraded to next-gen (Kinda like CoD!) is pretty silly as its still a game you won’t get on Xbox One.

            My last point was, everybody says Titanfall is an Xbox 1 exclusive or it shows up on lists that its exclusive, but its being released on PC, 360 and Xbox One. Where the same list on the PS4 side won’t include games like FF14, or Diablo 3 which are exclusive to Playstation/PC.

          • NachoKingP

            Yes, what you said is true, I just don’t particularly consider multiplat games as “exclusive” really. Titanfall is a Microsoft exclusive across their entire range of platforms, which includes Windows and 360 as well as One. Yes, you’re right, it’s not just a One exclusive. Diablo 3, FF14, etc that are also on PC aren’t really “exclusive” either because I can own a Windows PC and play them. I really wouldn’t want to play games like that with a controller anyway, Keyboard and Mouse config are just WAY better for games like that.

            I didn’t say not to count MMOs, just that they appeal to a very specific crowd. They’re not “mass market games” in the typical sense.

          • XSpike

            But its a choice, and for MMO players the PS4 is the way to go, MS is very strict on cross-play, hence why there is no War Thunder, FF14, and the likes on Xbox as MS says no to letting players play with PS users (other then the fact MS didn’t allow self publishing for ages).

            The keyboard n mouse thing for some games is true, but I really hate point in click RPGs (Diablo on PC) so Diablo on PS4 sounds like more my type of game, a lot more action! I’ve tried FF14 on PS3, I also played FF11 on Xbox 360, both worked good & for some its much better having a controller then a K&M as I know I hate it unless I’m at a PC desk,which I never am..

          • NachoKingP

            Yes, that’s true, it’s certainly a choice. As a non-MMO gamer, I don’t see the draw, but to each his (or her) own. :)

        • twinspectre

          KNACK a Kid games are you serious ???
          Knack actually is for Nostalgic Hardcore Gamers

          • NachoKingP

            Maybe, but it plays like a kids game. Even the Official Playstation Magazine called the combat simplistic. I’m sorry, a hardcore game isn’t one where you can just mash the square button. Nostalgia doesn’t really do anything if the game sucks.

          • drakesfortune

            Why do you hate kids? lol

          • NachoKingP

            I think kids should have to struggle through games like I did when I was young and games only had difficulty to make them last a decent amount of time. If you gave them Battletoads or Mega Man 2 today they would say it sucked because it’s too hard.

  • HeczTehFinezt

    The only entertainment app I’ll be using is Youtube.

  • Silverkiller

    true gamers have all 3 consoles also a vita and a DS and a PC, and a good phone or tablet lol, to play and do all stuff in all, as a gamer i can tell you the first line up of games of the 2 consoles looks better for xbox1 than ps4, that is a fact, now for ythe months to come ps4 looks better, and it probably will be like in ps3 (yes that is a fact as well) but at the end if you are able to play all the games because you like gaming then you are a true gamer :D games now do not take more than 30 to 40 hours to complete for a good rpg and most of the FPS just last 4-6 hours campaings, yes there is the multiplayer player factor, and while it is fun you get tired of them really quickly and well i still prefer to play BF4 in PC :)

  • ISISSecretAgent

    just recently Amazon announced their Amazon PSN Store, greatness awaits in this pure gaming machine
    currently limited to US customers though but it;s a start

    • RandomUser2yr29387

      PS4 is just as much an entertainment center as the Xbox One.
      The only difference is the messaging.

  • Corey

    I’d get a PS4 if I could use the xbox controller for it. I can’t stand any other form of input. I mean, I guess I could force myself to learn to use a different input….but…I just don’t really want to.

    • twinspectre

      SHut up fanboy

      • Corey

        that was cute.

    • drakesfortune

      That’s pretty flimsy. When I got a 360 it took me all of about an hour to get used to the controller after learning on a dualshock controller, and using one for many many years. I switch between them without a thought, and always have.

  • Russell Gorall

    “In fact, even music you own you can’t play, that is how gamer-focused we are. Remember that silly ability to stream music, video or pictures from your PC? We axed that, and you will need an update just to play Blurays and DVD’s. All for the gamer.”

  • Droidanomix

    This is a big 180 from the PS3 tag-line “It only does everything.” Now it’s “If it does everything, it’s not for gamers.”

    • drakesfortune

      Uh, I don’t think that’s what he said. I think he’s saying, of course it does that other stuff, what doesn’t anymore. We’re going to focus on what’s special about this box over an Apple TV, which is that it plays high end games, and also happens to do everything else.

      • Droidanomix

        Ok, but you can’t say it does everything else when it doesn’t play CDs, MP3s or BD-3D. So yes, it is a big 180. Of course PS4 is a big step up from PS3, but in couple of minor ways, it’s taken some noticeable steps backwards.

  • drakesfortune

    I love the people who think this is the last generation of consoles. That’s delusional. Look at how excited people are for a new generation of consoles. I know I am, and I don’t think for a second that this is the last console. There’s just too much money to be made. It’s like all of those people who said that theaters would go away with the advent of the VCR. There’s something to be said for that sit on your couch with a big screen TV experience.

    I LOVE that I don’t need to fine tune each game I play so it’s optimized for the best experience possible on my device. Meaning, what I have to do on PC. Don’t get me wrong, I love the PC, and I play tons of PC games, but there’s something great about turning a console on and KNOWING that I’m going to get the best experience possible right out of the box, without having to guess if I got it right. I have a high end PC too, and it never fails that I have to constantly fiddle with the settings (because I want them as high as possible). Plus, getting that high end experience is cheaper on a console. Let’s be honest. I’ve spent $1500 on my PC, I have a great video card, and from what I’ve seen of PS4 games, they look very similar to what I’m getting on my PC.

  • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

    Yes, and that audience is ME!

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