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Sony Blamed for Nintendo’s Inability To Secure Third Party Games

by on January 22, 2014 7:52 AM 176

The Japanese investment and market analysis firm ACE Securities released a report on Nintendo’s recent substantial reduction of the earning forecasts for the current fiscal year, and the document includes  some information on what the company expects from the corporate management policy briefing that will be held by President Satoru Iwata on January 30th.

In the corporate management policy briefing on January 30th the company is going to describe the future business policy:

1: Dealing with content development risks due to the consecutive failure to launch with high performance the 3DS and the Wii U.
2: Response to the problem of the inability to secure third party titles caused by SCE [Sony Computer Entertainment] investing heavily in the marketing cost of multiplatform software. 
3: Due to the soaring development costs of home consoles making difficult to ensure profitability, we hope to hear an answer on the building of a new business model.

It may seem a bit surprising to see Sony blamed for Nintendo’s struggle in securing third party titles for its consoles. I’m assuming the analyst who wrote the report was thinking about the Wii U and not about the 3DS here, because otherwise he’s overlooking one big name: Monster Hunter.

That said, we can definitely assume that many keen eyes will be watching the briefing on the 30th. We’ll have to wait for that date to know whether Nintendo will steer its business policies around radically, or will keep marching straight on the same path.

Update: we checked out the track record of the predictions on the Wii U of the analyst that wrote this report, and it’s definitely an interesting read.

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  • Ritsujun

    Awww, poor Nintenducks.

    • bowserslovechild

      Broken record?

      • Arjun RD

        Retard attack.

        • bowserslovechild

          This says it all. Inbred tool.

          • Guest

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          • Arjun RD

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          • shinitaru

            you and bowerslovechild should just kiss, make up, then get a room. Your dedication to this argument goes beyond a simple disagreement…

        • bowserslovechild

          Again, yes, I have been attacked by a retard. Thanks for noticing.

      • Guest

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        • bowserslovechild

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      • Guest

        Wow bowersloveshit Nintenduck Hitting back with 2 pissing points.

        • bowserslovechild

          Guest spam Arjun.

      • Arjun RD

        bowserslovechild

        • bowserslovechild

          Are you seriously this stupid??

          • Arjun RD

            bowserslovechild

  • http://dualshockers.com Joel Taveras

    iOS and Android for their classic games while they figure out what to do with their franchises next.

  • Leo Atrox

    So, Sony is spending advertising dollars on multiplatform games … I’m not entirely sure how that directly affects Nintendo’s ability to attract third-party developers. Are they referring to cross-platform titles (Vita/PS3/PS4 games) moving mobile game development to the Vita and away from the 3DS? I’m just not seeing it. I think Nintendo’s inability to attract third-party developers has more to do with a low install base, a large disparity in the technical power and ability of the WiiU compared to other home consoles, and the uniqueness of the platform’s user-interface. A game developed for the PS3/Xbox360 cannot be easily ported to the Wii/WiiU. Game developers look at the ease of porting games (and, consequently, the cost of porting the games) to a platform to help determine that platforms viability. Sony and Microsoft just have what Nintendon’t: Similar architecture, UI, and development platforms.

    • Galen Nycroft

      I think it’s more about Sony and Microsoft paying for things like marketing costs and exclusivity rights to 3rd party developers. These developers know that with Nintendo, they will have virtually no support in bringing their games to the platform.

      With the sorry shape the WiiU is in, Nintendo needs to be bending over backwards to make it EASY for 3rd parties to bring games to its system…this includes eating some of the development or marketing costs to offset very real potential for loss.

      • Flyte_79

        No this isn’t about exclusive titles at all, it’s simply that Sony will spend millions advertising your game and making it sell hard while Nintendo won’t advertise anything even their own products. When a company openly tries to blame a competitor for its failings you know big trouble is on the horizon…

        • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

          Not sure Nintendo is the one blaming Sony here. Sounds like the Analyst said that. Maybe Nintendo mentioned how Sony invests heavily into marketing for third parties and they are tossing around the idea of doing the same on some level but to claim Nintendo is passing blame when they have done nothing but publicly state they take responsibility for the situation they are in is crazy.

          • Flyte_79

            Oh yea you’re right, my mistake.

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          • ThePokeMaster

            Nintendo did this to themselves.
            They’re stubborn and they’re stuck in the past in the name of tradition.

            Satoru Iwata took away the autonomy of Nintendo of America when he took over. This meant the Japanese branch, the headquarters, made all the calls. This was right when the West started gaining a lot of traction as the most important part of the world sales-wise for the industry.

            Multiple Western third-party relationships with Nintendo quickly soured, many that had worked with Nintendo closely in the past had their bonds broken with the big N, and it still hurts Nintendo to this day.
            Third-party support in general is much more horrid than when Satoru Iwata originally stepped into the role as president of Nintendo, and it has only been getting progressively worse.

            Under Iwata’s leadership, Nintendo allowed the Wii to flounder for two years at the end of its life without much software support. This made it so the casual gamers that were attached to the Wii name went elsewhere for their entertainment, and it made it so any momentum Nintendo would have had going into the Wii U was dead.

    • https://www.facebook.com/BlueLightningTechnicalServices Bob Wilkerson

      The only thing I can think of is if Sony is saying they will advertise a 3rd party game along side their Playstation but in doing so no one else can advertise that game along side any other platform therefore making it look like the game is only available on the Playstation.

      Not sure if that is happening but I think it is and I am only speculating what the analyst means here by blaming Sony.

      • TheScienceEnthusiast1130

        Lol…

    • Cahone

      Doesn’t have to be direct, can be indirect

    • Pablo Nilo

      I think you hit the nail in the head… This analyst doesn’t get it… It’s all about how easy it is for third parties to put games on wiiU… Sony and microsoft were smart to make their new consoles as close to pc’s as possible making it easy for developers to put their games on them…. Nintendo on the other hand has its propriatary cpu and low end gpu making it hard and more expensive to port games to… Alot of 3rd party developers won’t even bother putting games on it.

  • kevin

    Nintendo needs to get thier house in order, can’t introduces my kids to the greatness of Nintendo is you as swipe are not around.

  • Jason Robito

    Please! I thought Nintendo has more money than God! The article should really say Nintendo’s ignorance has prevented them from securing more third party support.

    • Terramax

      The thing is, that’s money that investors don’t want Nintendo to spend. You do have to wonder what they’re doing with it if it’s not being invested in any way.

      I agree with you though, it’s their ignorance AND arrogance that brought them into this mess. Heck, even if the PS4 was as difficult as the PS3, I’m sure the Wii U would still be in the doghouse.

    • Lenny L Boogie Harris

      That doesn’t make them ignorant because they’re not used to having to basically be “pimped” to get a 3rd party. It wasn’t always like that. Devs WANTED their games to be played, and pulled their own weight!

  • RealityCheck2013

    Like the ‘XBox ONE’ the ‘Wii U’ is unappealing. They both feel like the Sega Dreamcast LoL:D

    • Terramax

      To be fair, the Xbox One is probably the most appealing console of the three in terms of games. That’s not something I want to admit to, but the X1 actually has a greater variety of games at this current moment in (how long that will be for is the question).

      • YOUDIEMOFO

        By variety you mean they have a racing game and a fighting game….

        Sony has more games and more “free to play” games for that matter.

        • Corellianrogue

          Just a racing game and fighting game? Moron, read my post above.

          • YOUDIEMOFO

            Now let us show our real age by calling people names that you know you will never come into contact with. This is what the internet has allowed children to since its conception.

            If you can’t take people’s opinion then you should just STFU because you can’t stand the fact that you bought the wrong console…..

            No one can say that I am wrong about what Sony has brought to the table especially about the “free” games!

            But of course haters will hate and hide behind their all powerful and protective keyboards they will keep on keepin on with their blinders in full effect….

            Notice how I didn’t call you a name, but I did point out the fact I was getting at, so get back in that booster chair and keep the hate coming.

          • Corellianrogue

            Says the guy with YOUDIEMOFO as their username, LMAO! And how is saying that Xbox One has only got a racing game and fighting game opinion? It’s totally factually incorrect! It would be like me saying in my opinion 2 + 2 = 5, lol!

            Yeah, Sony currently has (slightly) more games including free to play games, you’re right about that. So what? The Xbox One has higher scoring games overall and they sold more games overall and exclusives too. (I think Sony may have sold more 3rd party PS4 games, or at least a lot of the 3rd party games. But then it’s available in 48 countries whereas the Xbox One is only available in 13 so far.) Also Microsoft now have more 1st party studios than Sony so it’s likely that there may be more 1st party Xbox One exclusives than 1st party PS4 exclusives this generation. There’s a lot I could say bad about the PS4, let alone Sony in general, but I haven’t so don’t push me.

          • YOUDIEMOFO

            Push you pal…… Don’t “push you!?” Wish I could get close enough to people like you on the internet and I would definitely not just push you PAL…..

            Here we go again a 12 year old with his keyboard has to make their point again, so I’ll make mine again.

            XboxOne is a fail right from the beginning of their retarded ideas about the DRM and system layout in general. So enjoy playing on your system that wasn’t even meant to run the way it is today. Anyone who thinks that this isn’t a “just because” market for Microlo$t is a damn bot. Microlo$t doesn’t “need” the One like Sony needs their PS4. With that said Microlo$t will definitely cram all their crap down their consumers throats just like they said they’d do at E3 2013…

            Anyone want to recall some quotes about their marketing strategy?! I could swear that their marketing director got fired right after E3 and was quoted as saying something along the lines of their system will sell just because of the 360 install base….

            Get real guy…..seriously. Hardware on the One subpar “fail”, piss poor planning and playing catch up since day one “fail”, having a system architecture that actually hinders performance/visual fidelity at certain resolutions “fail….”

            So right out of the gate the system is hindered in so many ways and on top of that %10!! of system resources is dedicated for the crappy a$$ Kinect 2.0

            So I guess that the XboxOne is the way to go eh?!

            XboxOne = FAIL

          • KIRBYdaDOG

            ahahha the asshurt is strong with this PSbutthurt boy.

          • YOUDIEMOFO

            Butthurt….. No.

            Just what gets me is today’s society and their ignorance. People are going to do and say what they want….. I get that. What I don’t get is how people are seriously blind and blind enough to think that their opinions are fact.

            I have only stated fact in anything I have said about either consoles, so again if people want to keep the blinders up then that’s their choice.

          • YOUDIEMOFO

            And what the fu@k does a user name have to do with anything? Is it law that after your 12th b-day you have to get a grown up user name?

            Go play with your dolls guy…

          • YOUDIEMOFO

            Here you go…… And all I have to say is that I rest my case

            http://gamingbolt.com/industry-insider-believes-that-watch_dogs-ps4-will-be-better-expects-performance-to-widen-in-future

            There is the future of “your” investment.

          • Corellianrogue

            You’ve already exposed yourself as an ageist who insults people just because they’ve only had 12 Birthdays compared to your presumable more than 12 Birthdays (I’m in my 30s myself by the way) and I’m just replying to this to shoot down more FUD.

            Now who should I believe a so-called “industry insider” who only posts pro-Sony and anti-Xbox stuff based on twisting the words of what other people have already said, such as the whole Tomb Raider thing, go watch the actual video, Scott Amos is just asked what framerate the Tomb Raider they were playing was and he says “60fps” then the host says “the PS4 version?” and Scott says “yeah, that’s the version we’re playing today”. OK that’s paraphrased a little but basically accurate, the Xbox One version is NEVER mentioned in that conversation nor does he say that only the PS4 version is 60fps. Also an admin at NeoGAF is also the same guy who runs Rocket Chainsaw which is the website that “reported” the “story”, then he posted the article in the NeoGAF forums as if it was exclusive news he found and rallied the SDF around it like always. It’s a non-story unless Crystal Dynamics actually come out and say it’s true. Plus we’ll find out next week when the game is actually released .

            Anyway, should I trust that guy or should I trust THE ACTUAL DEVELOPER OF WATCH_DOGS WHO SAID THAT THE XBOX ONE VERSION WOULD BE BETTER??! Here, read this article:
            http://www.gamingtarget.com/article.php?artid=13270

            “The way a tree reacts to weather, it’s physics, right?” Guay tells OXM UK.
            “It’s bending materials. Well, what if I could run that on the cloud?
            It doesn’t need to be fully synced. There are occasions where there will
            be an advantage, but it’s clear in the short term there’s plenty of
            power within the machines. That’s where our engineers are working.”

            In addition to those comments Mr. Guay went on to talk a bit about
            the graphics and the “dynamism” of the city. Here is what he had to
            say:

            “For example, we’re able to simulate the water in full 3D, if you go
            on a boat the waves that form will affect other boats. We’re also able
            to spend more time giving brains to the other people on the streets so
            that they can basically be smarter, and there can be more of them. It’s what I call dynamism; basically, the way the city reacts to you, we are able to push further on the Xbox One.”

            I’m not replying anymore since I’m busy and this is a Nintendo vs Sony article anyway.

          • YOUDIEMOFO

            Way to go proving your age to have ground to stand on…..

            My only argument is obvious to all that the ps4 is more powerful….

            Go ahead and read what you want from who you want because I’m sure people are paid to say what they “have to say” by whoever it is going to benefit… Microlo$t already showed their ugly faces regarding this silly stunt.

            You want to assume your “has to be” internet connected system is more powerful because of some cloud that is supposed to achieve something spectacular. Okay. So you’re saying that these features will not be available on any other format or system, but thus is one of the KEY features of what the damn game is all about… The AI, physics and insanely vast dynamic environment, but keep on thinking its specific to the XboxOne.

            Great job with the copy and paste….. FYI just because it’s said by someone else doesn’t make it fact.

          • KIRBYdaDOG

            what, sounds like sony fanboys are butthurt that the xbox 1 has more and better games. I dont have one and am getting a ps4 soon, still the only game that looks good for it is infamous right now and that isnt out.

          • RoadShow

            Dude what are you blind?

            Just look at the last 4 years. THAT’S RIGHT 4 YEARS half of 360’s life!

            Almost no exclusives despite raking in 2.75 billion per year on xbox live + revenue from ads on home page.

            While Sony has an army of studios constantly pumping out AAA exclusives. Plus free exclusive content, plus free games via PS+ in addition to a ton of awesome top notch free to play games.

            xbox is the worst place to game. If you like xbox games then get a PC – free online play, best FPS controls, games like Titanfall, Project Spark, Alan Wake, Left4Dead, Battlestations, Fable, Gears of War are all on PC.

            Xbox costs the most and gives the least. Paywalls all basic features like cross game chat, internet browser, one guide, streaming services like netflix, video capture/upload everything. Also $100 more for a obviously inferior system. 720p native on all major releases multi plat, definitive tomb raider is 60fps on PS4 and only 30fps on X1. Every single way PS4 is the best console. A person with a gaming PC and PS4 can play just about every game in the world with the exception of a few Nintendo “TRUE” exclusives.

      • Flyte_79

        Microsoft may claim that and the xbots may yell it all over the internet but its simply not true. Ps4 has a far bigger library with much more variety thanks to Indies and free to plays. Xbox has cod and forza, we have warframe, Blacklight, don’t starve, outlast, planetside 2, war thunder, contrast, resogun, etc, etc, etc.

        • Corellianrogue

          Just COD and Forza 5? LMAO! You’re obviously so completely wrong and COD isn’t even an exclusive, surely you know that? Let’s look at the Xbox One exclusives released so far shall we? (A couple are Xbox exclusive as they’re also out or coming out on the Xbox 360, but the vast majority are just on Xbox One.) I’ll list them in alphabetical order:

          Crimson Dragon
          Dead Rising 3
          Fighter Within
          Forza Motorsport 5
          Halo: Spartan Assault
          Killer Instinct
          LocoCycle
          Max: The Curse Of Brotherhood
          Peggle 2
          Powerstar Golf
          Ryse: Son Of Rome
          Xbox Fitness
          Zoo Tycoon

          The lack of more indie games so far is just because Microsoft didn’t get their self publishing programme, ID@Xbox, sorted out as quickly as Sony got theirs but there are now loads of indies signed up to it, most of the same ones signed up to Sony’s, so the games will be coming soon, including probably a lot of the indie games already on PS4 or announced for it. Also War Thunder is coming out on Xbox One and Contrast is out on Xbox 360 so could come out on Xbox One too.

          It’s funny how indies didn’t matter last generation according to the Sony fanboys. (Except a couple like Flower and Journey obviously as they kept going on about them.) Could it be because the Xbox 360 has OVER 3000 OF THEM?

          • Flyte_79

            Lococycle..? Peggle…? Ryse…? Um.. OK yea.. Wow… What a line up… Sony must be terrified… :)

          • Corellianrogue

            I haven’t played LocoCycle so can’t comment too much although I’ve got a feeling the reviews were totally wrong, especially since they kept going on about graphics despite the fact it’s an XBLA game made for the Xbox 360. Peggle 2 however is awesome, even the reviews back that one up and Ryse is great despite what some (not all) reviews might say. Those reviewers obviously don’t like arcade-style hack & slash beat-em-ups.

          • Flyte_79

            I’m sorry but everything on that list is trash. If you can’t see that then you’re a moron. You think the entire internet and gaming press is trashing games like ryse and lococycle for being comedicaly bad just for fun? Your opinion is void. Good bye :)

          • Corellianrogue

            No, you’ve just proved yourself to be a moronic fanboy by calling everything on that list trash.

          • Corellianrogue

            It’s funny, just now I noticed the Ryse review from this very website on the column on the right which gave it a 7 which isn’t a bad score, then I thought I’d click through to read the review and this is what the conclusion said about the game:

            “Ryse: Son of Rome is a gorgeous game that gives us a great
            sense of what the Xbox One can accomplish in terms of graphics. Sadly, the shallow combat doesn’t shoot it passed your average 3rd person action game. But it isn’t a bad game. In fact, I think this is Crytek’s best work since Crysis. The beauty of Ryse makes up for a lot of the game’s flaws. Seeing what this game throws at you is worth playing through at least once.”

            Notice the part that says “But it isn’t a bad game. In fact, I think this is Crytek’s best work since Crysis.”? So even though the review doesn;t exactly say it’s the greatest game ever (but neither do I, I think it’s worth an 8 though) it does already shoot down you claim that “the entire internet and gaming press is trashing games like ryse and lococycle for being comedicaly bad”. There are also plenty of other reviews that give it a better score and if you actually read comments from the general public who have actually bought or even just played a lot of the game you’ll see that most people say stuff like “Hey, Ryse is actually a pretty great game, I don’t know what some of the reviewers are talking about!”

          • Joshua Collin

            Everything on that list is trash? You most likely have not played a single one of them but I guess your opinion wouldn’t be biased would it?

          • Guy Brohski

            At least Xbone has an exclusive racing game available. Have fun with NFS lol!

          • Budgiecat

            Have fun with your microtransactions

          • Guy Brohski

            Having a good paying job means that I can afford a few extra dollars for DLC unlike the poor PS4 Paupers who just play the vanilla version of a game and never experience the full thing. Microtransactions and DLC are a part of gaming now, just accept it.

          • Balalaika

            To be fair some of those games got bad to horrible reviews like;

            Fighter Within (train wreck)

            Ryse: Son of Rome (mediocore)

            Killer Instinct (DLC Derping)

            Xbox Fitness (Does anyone even use this?)

            The rest of the games are great like Dead Rising 3 and Forza Motorsport 5 and umm…thats it.

          • Corellianrogue

            Yeah, the Fighter Within got bad reviews but Ryse got at least some good reviews and I agree with them, Killer Instinct also got pretty much universally good reviews although I actually don’t like the game, I didn’t like the originals either but thought maybe I would like the new one, maybe I’ll give it another chance sometime. (The price is ridiculous though.) All the reviews I’ve seen of Xbox Fitness are also good. Obviously it’s a niche game though and not one I can really even play due to health reasons.

        • Guy Brohski

          LOL Warframe. LOL contrast. LOL PS4.

      • Budgiecat

        People forget we’re only 2 months into the 8th gen….

    • Corellianrogue

      Well the Sega Dreamcast was awesome and had amazing games coming out month after month and even after it was discontinued some Japanese companies released some great arcade games for it. So if that was meant to be an insult it wasn’t a very good one, lol! (Except for a sales comparison for the Wii U, it doesn’t work for the Xbox One though which is selling incredibly well.)

    • Guy Brohski

      You must be from n4gay or NeoFAG the way you hate on every system but Sony. LOL.

  • Nuh_uh_to_your_Uh_huh

    http://replygif.net/i/1245.gif

    Oh Nintendo………no.

  • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

    Surprising to hear Sony as part of the problem. but then again it is in Japan which it makes it the most direct competitor to Nintendo soo…

    • Guest

      Why is Sony part of the problem? Because they give good support to third parties so that they can get good support in return? Because they had the foresight to see that people would want a console that has good third party support?

      It’s not like they are being accused of paying companies to not make games for Nintendo (Then I could see the argument that it’s sleezy and even then, it is business and you really can’t expect the competition is going to care about making it easy for you). They are being accused of giving good marketing support to third parties, something Nintendo could have done as well (more so than Sony since Nintendo isn’t going broke!).

      So because Sony actually is trying to compete and actually do well, some how they are to blame? Let me give you a hint, Sony is not a charity and they do not owe anything to Nintendo. They want to succeed themselves so they are doing what they should to succeed, that’s not their fault, that’s their business.

      It’s Nintendo’s fault for being stubbern and thinking they didn’t need third party support (or alternatively that they could make such a pricey console on the power of their titles alone. I’m sure they could make a console that succeeded that was good for Nintendo only but it would have to be cheaper since people would see it as something they would have to buy in addition to).

      You can’t blame a company for actually trying to compete. That should be expected. If you want to succeed, you have to try to compete as well, not just whine the other companies are doing a good job of competing.

      • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

        Why am I not surprised to hear you rant like this? All I was saying was that since Sony is also located in Japan and a big player their also just like Nintendo, both being hardware companies also, they were part of the problem in Nintendo not getting sales as those lost sales were people that went to Sony, and then anybody else, if you catch my drift. That is, I don’t think you did and you rage quit. So I’ll leave the rest of it to your imagination since you’re too young to understand and you just started jumping to conclusions, since arguing with a psychopathic bitch like you isn’t gonna give any resolve to either of us. Goodbye.

        • Budgiecat

          lol if this were the case we’d see far more 3rd party titles on the Vita then the 3DS

          but we know thats not the case.

          Therefore this article is BS

          • bowserslovechild

            I came here expecting open mindedness, and boy was I wrong. I though IGN was bad……

          • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

            You referring to me, good citizen?

          • bowserslovechild

            Not at all. It’s the people that act like this couldn’t possibly happen and Sony is a saint that I’m aiming it at. Business is business, but people talk like these kind of tactics don’t exist, and that it’s impossible that any underhandedness played any part (even a small one) part in Nintendo’s woes.

          • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

            Gotcha. Glad to see I’m not the only one that thinks so.

          • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

            No duh Sherlock. Glad to see we’re on the same page.

  • thebanditking

    So because Sony will help fund the advertising for a multiplatform game on their platform which benefits both the game and the company making it that is now a deterrent for games not coming on Nintendo platforms? Thats stupid, just match what they offer for your own platform.

  • Living

    Poor Nintendo. The other businesses are being mean to it and acting like regular old businesses going about their business. For shame Sony, you should be paying companies to work for Nintendo. That would be justice, Nintendo did invent and save video games you know.

    • Clint Parker

      Nintendo did not save video games. That is a stupid lie that people keep shoving out there. All that happened is CONSOLES crashed and the focus went to home PC’s such as the Commodore 64,Amiga, Mac, DOS PC. In Europe computer gaming was the most popular form of gaming, they never experienced any crash AT ALL, neither did Japan with the Famicom and PC Engine being popular over there.

      The gaming crash story has been perpetuated by gaming journalism for a long ass time, and yet everyone who has shoved this out there has done zero real research into what happened. All they see is that Atari lost a bunch of money, and noone was interested in consoles anymore so that means video games were dead. They ignore that games on computers such as Summer and Winter games by Epyx, Forbidden Forest, King’s Quest, Super Huey, Impossible Mission, Hard Hat Mac, MULE and more existed. EA was founded in 1982 and made games EXCLUSIVELY for home computers until 1990 when they went to consoles.

  • Jordan

    When they cant even do their advertising right allowing people to understand Wii U is entirely a new console rather than some Wii addon, Then they cant put the blame on others. Sony and MS are just doing what they need to do in order to secure their own platform. And that is competition its business. Nintendo by themselves already failed. Why further pull others into the picture.

  • Nintendont

    Lol yeah blame sony for doing good with 3rd parties, then blame Microsoft too as they doing good with 3rd parties lol. Nintendo blame yourself and your idiot CEO.

    • Arjun RD

      Another Mario Sh!t Again and again

  • Dennis Crosby

    Wow

  • TheScienceEnthusiast1130

    xD

  • JustAnotherGamer

    If Sony was pulling a microsoft and contractually tying multiplatform games down into timed or actual exclusives then yeah… Nintendo has reason to be pissed, but this isn’t what’s happening. EA, Activision, Square, etc. didn’t pull away from the WiiU because of Sony, rather the WiiU just hasn’t been selling.

  • Guy Brohski

    LOL Nintendo

  • Loghorn

    No sir, it’s Nintendo’s own fault for a lack of 3rd party games, & it has to do with a lot more than Nintendo not giving 3rd party publishers money for marketing of their games.

    It all goes back to how Nintendo operated with 3rd party publishers back in the NES/Famicon & the SNES/Super Famicon eras with a lot of their restrictions, & forcing them to use carts for the N64, costing them buttloads of money as well as being out of touch with the global market.

    • Judgephoenix

      You make a really good point about the carts for N64. N64 games cost more to make then when Sony PS1 came out. Hell even when Sega Saturn and Dream Cast was out Nintendo barely switched to discs still. I forget what type of discs those were on the Gamecube but it was pathetic since they were trying to cut cost. Though I did love my Gamecube but its life cycle burned out quickly no games were around the last 2-3yrs of it.

      • Clint Parker

        The Gamecube used proprietary mini discs that held 1.5gb of data. The reason why they did that is for a) to combat piracy and b) Nintendo has a control problem and 3rd parties had to get the discs from Nintendo themselves.

    • Paladinrja

      Oh shut you stupid kids. No one does business this way, you people need to grow up and get professional lives, learn the hard lessons and find out that apart from convincing immature people these things matter for retail purposes, in business monetary potential is the great apologizer.

      Money is black and white, people are not, therefore the two don’t often meetup successfully. Unfortunately business ventures are as perfect as people are in general. As if young people today are more fixated on heresay provided by anonymous or unqualified information than reality. You’d all be supprised how addictively intense and invigorating, building businesses that require so many human and financial resources, actually is. End of story.

  • Alice

    Sony blamed for, well, competing…. What, was Sony supposed to just lay back and not support third parties and not make their console appealing to third parties? How dare they want to actually get third party support? It’s not like Sony paid companies to not put games out on Wii U (why would they have to? Nintendo did a great job of making it unappealing by themselves).

    Or maybe Nintendo failed in supporting third parties and getting that third party support. Maybe the problem here is Nintendo failing to compete well.

  • PatcherStation

    The old heads of gaming will know that even today, there’s bad blood between Nintendo and Sony and that’ll never change. The SNES CD add-on set it in stone. Sony walked away and out came the PS. But going from the 360 and PS3, Microsoft and Sony have been splashing the cash, something that Nintendo will never pay into. Nintendo likes to have it their way. It’s all down to money with its licencing. They like to be in control 247. As for making a profit from games, knock them out for £20 with free DLC. £40+, then charging for DLC, most won’t pay into it. Even games that have sold 3 million units, at a much cheaper price, sales would double or triple. I suppose to take the Wii U to the masses, £20 games would do it.

    • NeoTechni

      Actually you have it backwards, nintendo walked away

      • PatcherStation

        Nope. Sony took (walked away) the SNES CD tech and turned it into the PlayStation. Nintendo walked away from the deal because it wanted control of the software (games). No surprises there….

        • NeoTechni

          No, they didn’t. Nintendo betrayed sony and went with Panasonic for cdi. you have it backwards
          And nothing about snescd was kept, ps1 was redesigned from scratch

          • PatcherStation

            Read Game Over by David Sheff, it’s all in there. The CDi was by Phillips. Panasonic released the 3DO. Their second console (the M2) was canned. Sony decided to go on its own with a console when the SNES CD deal fell through. Sony took the SNES CD tech and released the PS. Jumping Flash on the PS was a game that was going to be released for the SNES CD. That’s how Sony got into the console market, even though it was a publisher (games on the Mega Drive and SNES) first.

          • NeoTechni

            “Read Game Over by David Sheff, it’s all in there. ”

            Read the link I gave you. Nintendo betrayed sony, you have it backwards.

            “Sony took the SNES CD tech ”

            No, they didn’t. PS1 was redesigned from scratch using NOTHING from the SNES CD.

        • NeoTechni

          I know Nintendo fans hate doing research but its time you do some
          http://www.gamesradar.com/the-top-7-nintendo-mistakes/?page=7

  • ISISSecretAgent

    this needs to be posted because it makes sense

    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/501/281/644.gif

    • TheExile285

      *dies*

  • Jessenia Lopez

    bye nintendo, rest in piece

    • Los Illuminados

      indeed. :)

    • bowserslovechild

      This just in – Nintendo is worth more than Sony.

    • Guy Brohski

      Let me hit that, and your friend too ;)

      • Arjun RD

        Wii U Sucks so Bad Nintendo Boss Iwata’s Pay Cut by 50%.

        • bowserslovechild

          Arjun RD strikes again. I bet your mother is proud of you.

          • Arjun RD

            Dont cry baby see what he says about it.

          • bowserslovechild

            Bang that drum, little soldier boy.

          • Arjun RD

            bye bye

    • Arjun RD

      I will offer flowers on Nintendo’s Funeral burial place and all the Mario and DonkeyKong games which were forgotten a long time ago.

      • bowserslovechild

        I’ll have some of what you’re smoking please. seems powerful.

        • Arjun RD

          Yeah well its called the truth And you cant handle it FanAsss.

          • bowserslovechild

            Loser.

          • Arjun RD

            Hah ha ha aha

          • bowserslovechild

            Hasn’t India run out of internet yet? I’m surprised.

          • Arjun RD

            bowserslovechild

    • Arjun RD

      Wii U Sucks so Bad Nintendo Boss Iwata’s Pay Cut by 50%.

  • dirkradke

    It’s called a “free market” and therefore blaming Sony for Nintendo problems is foolish. Nintendo relied too much on past glory and has almost went the way of the dodo. Sony and Microsoft have evolved with there customers and developers and Nintendo hasn’t.

    • Budgiecat

      Nintendo should change their name to Nostalgio

  • sillyhomeconsoles

    Sounds like Nintendo is still sour from SONY not joining them during super nintendo days. Nintendo has to look in the mirror and place the blame at what they see.

    • BrianLipp

      Nintendo actually dumped Sony for Philips, so it’s still all Nintendo’s fault.

      • sillyhomeconsoles

        Thats right….thats when that terrible Zelda was born. I really thought Nintendo had said, or did/didnt do something to make Sony give them the finger and go off and make PS, which was supposed to connect to the bottom of the snes. Oh Nintendo….your fault.

  • RoadShow

    Dude it’s about the freaking hardware. Nintendo needs to freaking stop it with their attitude of not doing what others do.

    Wii didn’t have to be powerful because it was popular for other reasons.

    Freaking gamers haven’t considered Wii to be in the same boat as PS3/360 for good reason. IT WASN’T!

    I called this a million miles away. Nintendo needed to freaking do more to win over core gamers. And now their arrogance has created a machine that is completely inferior to the competition. The problem is now that the WiiU is inbetween the very casual Wii and hard core PS4/X1 and developers are having a problem getting their high end software to work well on low end WiiU hardware. EA has rights to Star Wars and EA is Frostbite 3 and not even Frostbite 2 worked well on WiiU so they didn’t even bother with Frostbite 3.

    Wii was only popular because (A) Cheapest (B) Innovative motion controls (C) Retro gamers could finally put away NES, SNES, Genesis, N64 etc. and play wirelessly on a 21st century style NES controller (WiiMote) (D) Wii Fit came at the perfect time.

    WiiU simply doesn’t have the innovation and there is no incentive to move to WiiU for retro gamers. Then the console didn’t sell much so almost all 3rd party support was removed. It’s freaking Nintendo’s fault. Hell they still to date haven’t put even DVD playback in their console. They expect people to pay over $300 for a WiiU with almost no titles, low power, low hard drive size, almost no innovation, no improvement of motion controls and a lack of knowledge and experience of online play.

    I want a WiiU so don’t write me off as a fanboy. I love PC, Nintendo and Playstation. But Nintendo didn’t do enough. Freaking hire me and I’ll dig you out of this but the WiiU either has to go or needs to sell at $199

    • Budgiecat

      The thing that gets me is they made an SD console right around the time when HD TV’s were taking off…smh

      If it wasn’t for the motion control gimmick it’d have failed hard. But now, those casuals see nothing interesting in the Wii U to dip in because they already have their tablets and smartphones and have outgrown the Wii

      Backwards ass mentality they have…

  • Bret Taylor

    Even if this argument had any merit (which I don’t believe it does) Nintendo is still at fault. So many people tend to forget that the PlayStation brand only exist because Nintendo having a deal with Sony to make a PlayStation together and then went behind Sony’s back and made a deal with Phillips. Sony was angry and made it its goal to create a gaming machine to rival Nintendo. They kept the PlayStation name and if you ask me did everything they could to beat Nintendo through the years. I love Nintendo and will buy a Wii U before an Xbox One. (Notice how I dodnt mention PS4 cuz I’m all anout it) but this is and always will be their fault.

    No I’m not a sony fan boy. Sold my ps3 a few months after mgs4 and rocked a 360 and wii from launch. Still have both sitting uder my tv.

    • Budgiecat

      Previously before that, Nintendo was cool with Namco and Namco had some ideas to actually make a console themselves, which might have been done via joint collaboration with Nintendo had Nintendo not pissed off Namco by reneging on a cartridge manufacture exclusive clause for Namco that Nintendo later revoked out of nowhere despite almost half of their library being Namco titles…

      This angered Namco’s president who then later instead went to NEC to help make PC Engine 2, which would have greatly rivaled Nintendo’s console at the time.
      But Hudson, development partners with NEC, got intimidated by Namco’s presence and got in the way and the deal was canceled and instead, Hudson helped NEC make the SuperGraphX which was no where near as good and as such, failed pretty quickly.

      This back and forth prompted Nintendo to then seek out other companies to try to make a more powerful console that was disc based since NEC by then already had 2 disc based consoles (Turbo Duo and PC-FX), and thus Sony was a viable choice and we all know how that went down….

  • duckmysick

    Not advertising dollars, taking smaller cuts from smaller developers. This allows developers like atlus to make games like persona 4 golden for next to nothing and profit from it. This is good as any investment.

    You ever wonder how teams like xseed, atlus, the tales team, etc. Keep making games that only sell a million to a half a million and thrive? This is how. Not the publishers biggest titles, but good games none the less. The same for Sega’ Yakuza series, Nippon ichi, and others. As far as monster hunter goes, Capcom and Sony couldn’t come to an agreement and Sony invested more into these said smaller developers to make games in the genre.
    Nintendo has a war chest of gold, but its not how much money you have. Its how you spend what you do have.

  • KIRBYdaDOG

    well its nintendos fault for not selling enough to make it worth it. but even if the wiiu was selling well enough they still wouldnt get multiplats because it is much weaker than xbox1 and ps4. once they stop making games for 360/ps3 they would leave behind the weaker wiiu anyways, but its happening sooner since its not selling.

    • V8Supercar1

      And on top of that. The Wii U’s architecture is different. Its not x86 like the PS4 and xbox1 is.

    • Budgiecat

      You need games to sell a console and a console thats inviting enough for 3rd party devs to want to work on. Wii U is seven years to late tech wise and most of the non gaming soccer mom and business casuals they raked in with the Wii with the motion control gimmick, either do not care to double dip to get a Wii U, or think that the “U” is an add on tablet peripheral that they couldn’t care less about now because their kids have now gotten older and are playing Sony/M$ products, a 3DS, or for them, they have moves onto simple smartphone or tablet games themselves..

  • KIRBYdaDOG

    hahaha you just had to put the word blamed in the title to get all the ps fanboys at N4PSFB riled up. Now they are all butthurt because they think nintendo is blaming sony for something.

  • Canablis I’Tika

    I know alot of people will flame this comment but oh well: Nintendo is failing because they do not have a GTA….Think about it..
    Gear towards kids…You are targeting a flaky audience…

    • Budgiecat

      Famicom = Family Computer

      Nintendo was always aimed at being family and kid friendly. Thats their motto.

      Of course….BMX XXX was Gamecube version was the only version of that game to have topless nudity lol..

      • Canablis I’Tika

        I am speaking of the old days when nintendo and sega were pretty much it…There was the violence and all. Then when sony and MS came in the market, Nintendo seemed to isolate themselves to the family market and have been in last place ever since.. I don’t believe there is a coincidence at play here.

        GTA is the most adult-oriented game I can imagine, and nintendo has blatantly said a few times, I’ve read over the years, that they won’t bring GTA to their consoles…

        • Canablis I’Tika

          If GTA came to the wii u, I believe it’d sell and compete, as adults and older gamers are more loyal and consistent in their gaming. Besides, nintendo only has themselves to place blame on: They are marketing towards people who have a 2.4 second attention span: Of course they aren’t going to make alot of sales via ads!

  • Cahone

    I don’t understand how home console can have a high dev cost? Slap a controllor on a cpu and gpu and have the cpu/gpu companies do the work.

  • Trim Dose

    lol what? so according to this article if someone makes a stupid decision is others fault ? O_o

    yeeeaaahhh Riiiiiight

  • Guest

    deal with it nInDIOT, Sony did a better job for 3rd parties.

    • Ritsujun

      Indeed.

    • bowserslovechild

      Easy for you to say when you hide behind a guest account. You might want to go somewhere that your IGNorance will be more appreciated.

      • ThePokeMaster

        Do you have any valid points to make? Or are you just gonna call him ignorant because he dared criticize the sanctity of Nintendo?

        Nintendo did this to themselves. They’re stubborn.

        Satoru Iwata took away the autonomy of Nintendo of America when he took over. This meant the Japanese branch made all the calls. This was right when the West started gaining a lot of traction in the gaming industry.

        Multiple Western third-party relationships with Nintendo quickly soured, many that had worked with Nintendo closely in the past had their bonds broken with them, and it still hurts Nintendo to this day.
        Third-party support in general is much more horrid than when Satoru Iwata originally stepped into the role as president of Nintendo, and it has only been getting progressively worse. But even before Iwata took over, Nintendo’s relationship with third-parties weren’t all that peachy. They had always been very strict, setting restrictions, censorship and not investing any money to help market third-party games on their own system.

        And under Iwata’s leadership, Nintendo allowed the Wii to flounder for two years at the end of its life without much software support. This made it so the casual gamers that were attached to the Wii name went elsewhere for their entertainment, and it made it so any momentum Nintendo would have had going into the Wii U was dead.

        If you look at the facts, the Wii U is falling right back into this pattern:

        NES – 62 mil

        SNES – 50 mil

        N64 – 33 mil

        GC – 22 mil

        Sony is not to blame.

        • bowserslovechild

          Thing is, we know all of that. There’s just no need to be an utter f***ing tool about it, and throw childish (and, quite frankly, awful) insults around. THAT was my valid point.

          • ThePokeMaster

            Sheesh…

          • bowserslovechild

            Whatever.

        • Ritsujun

          Can Wii U&Me even make it to 10 mil?

      • Arjun RD

        bowserslovechild

        • bowserslovechild

          I’m not sure if you are a tool or just bored.

          • Arjun RD

            Sure Fanboy sure.

          • bowserslovechild

            Tool confirmed. I’m no fanboy, I just can’t stand tools.

          • Arjun RD

            Well what do you say about this Crying Wii U FanBoy bowserslovechild Wii U Sucks so Bad Nintendo Boss Iwata’s Pay Cut by 50%.

          • Guest

            Thhis is the ‘Truth’

          • bowserslovechild

            Signs out to throw more insults. 12 years old confirmed.

          • Arjun RD

            Ok bye bye dont cry baby please dont cry you’ll grow up someday to play PS-4.

          • bowserslovechild

            O own a PS4. Loser.

          • Guest

            bowserlovechild

          • Guest

            boswerslovechild I already have PS-4 my self and an XBOX 360 your fakeasss modafucka.

          • Arjun RD

            boswerslovechild I already have PS-4 my self and an XBOX 360 your fakeasss modafucka but who cares.

          • Arjun RD

            Thhis is the ‘Truth’ bowserslovechild Fan Baby

    • Guy Brohski

      Wow, this ignorant comment gets over 200 likes? A bunch of Pauperstation fans in here instead of playing their Pauperstation4 it seems.

  • Arjun RD

    What is Wii-U? and what is Nintendo? I am sorry I havent heard of these things and why are they blaming Sony for Bitchslaping their Asss. And I am sorry I have a PS-4 Ultimate Combo with Vita coming my way I just wanted to ask is this Nintendo Thing a company that makes Games? well to me here it sounds like Tool Manufacturing company!!

    • Guy Brohski

      LOL PS4/Vita

      • Arjun RD

        Does it hurt to see Nintendo Dying away to you fan baby!

        • Guy Brohski

          Does it hurt to see the 3DS and the original DS outselling the PS Pita?

          • Arjun RD

            I guess you are in your own fantasy land happy dreaming while Nintendo Goes to heaven you stupid Fan Baby

          • shinitaru

            You need to get back in touch with reality. I love my PSVita too, but Nintendo has curb stomped them since launch.

          • Arjun RD

            Yes I know but I dont wanna be Frog & stay in your little well of a world with Mario. And I am not sure its Nintendo vs PS-Vita its not only that but its the intentions of Nintendo as company itself to compete with other consoles which ist making it loose so bad. I dont wanna just stay & die with a console that just Plays Mario or some DonkeyKong Ballsy game.

          • shinitaru

            You can go ahead and limit your options all you want, but while I’m waiting for something good to come to my Vita (which is looking to be a long wait) I pass the time playing great games like Bravely Default, Legend of Zelda, Pokemon Y, etc. But that’s fine, you don’t have to like the same things that I like, but you can’t really say anything bad about the 3DS, not and hope that anyone will take you seriously.

            I know you are just trolling, but I’m not. Sincerity trumps sarcasm every time

          • Guy Brohski

            Nobody likes your dumb comment, what a shame as it contains such a pretty picture with it.

          • shinitaru

            3DS outsold everything last year, highest selling console of 2013

  • Budgiecat

    Tons of 3rd party games on the 3DS which is the console Nintendo is really focusing on; not the Wii U obviously.

    Plus region lock is not helping and Nintendo isn’t doing crap to assist 3rd party devs

  • bowserslovechild

    I’m actually ashamed to be a gamer when I repeat some of the comments here.

  • hammerclaw

    During the glory years of NES, Nintendo ruled the third party game developers with an iron hand, dictating where, when and how they could release games on their console. Now they have to beg them for their games. My, my how times have changed.

  • PrinceHeir

    yikes this escalated quickly!

  • Paladinrja

    I’ve never heard analysis on Wii U as underpowered by any group. On the contrary they are informed its powerful enough, though as a professional systems engineer it seems (As David Banner recently said from Wales Interactive) the Wii U is ‘deceptively powerful’.

    Every analysis I’ve listened to in money making projects surrounding the gaming industry the past year, cites Sony’s massive expenditure on marketting including something akin to exclusivity as was their common practice during the PS2 era for exclusive products. Its commonly known in todays industry that SCE are doing this.

    Its also commonly known Wii U is a planned 4-5yr primary support device, due to be superceded in 2016. Nintendo were already working on it prior to 2012s E3 retail announcement. Both IBM & AMD (which seems to be important to AMD) are expecting the Wii U to kick off new business and both Intel and ARM have followed suit with emerging technology as worldwide carbon emissions quotas are set to lower, increasing expenditure.

    By this I’m of the assumption IBM & AMD had already projected component pricing to Nintendo, during development with Wii U, with timeframes prompting them to fixate on a new platform superceding Wii U. Musta been a great deal, thats all I can say!

    • Guy Brohski

      Ubisoft said “the Wii U’s CPU is crap, it makes game development much harder than it should be”. This might indicate the Wii U is underpowered when you factor in the 2008 GPU it includes…

  • MYWA

    The fact is, Sony has always been at least partly to blame for Nintendo’s third-party struggles, which admittedly is a credit to Sony. It started when Sony first came on the scene and all but acquired Square(soft) as basically a second-party developer right under Nintendo’s feet and coaxed a number of other third party developers at Nintendo’s expense. Then came the PS2, which was fertile grounds for indie and hotshot developers, exacerbating the problem. It’s just now Nintendo’s problems, of which lack of third party is just a (very important) part, have culminated in the eighth generation of video game consoles to a near-breaking point, the other problems being:

    1) Paltry and relatively unsophisticated online infrastructure (previous generation)
    2) Lack of new IP and hype for such (most of their biggest apart from Pokemon are from NES-SNES era)
    3) Lack of hardware power (for the graphic whores and AAA game lovers)
    4) Nintendo’s notorious stubbornness in a dynamic ecosystem, which undergirds the previously mentioned problems
    5) More problems that I can’t think of right now

    Nintendo’s third-party woes can be divided into at least three inter-related factors:
    1) Annoying architecture to develop for (this has been a problem for a number of Nintendo consoles post-SNES)
    2) Lack of hardware power (shuts Nintendo out of multi-plats and ambitious developers)
    3) Strained relations with 3rd party companies for whatever reasons

    Nintendo’s a smart company, they’ll figure something out. They don’t have to resolve all of these issues to find success in the future, but they have to address at least some of them.

  • bowserslovechild

    Actually, I know him. He’s a fair bit older than you.

  • hammerclaw

    Here. I’m taking pity on your ignorance and providing a link so you educate yourself.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Entertainment_System

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