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Kinect is “Irrelevant.” Xbox One Will Get a Price Cut but Sony Is in Position to Stay Ahead, According to Pachter

by on March 9, 2014 6:54 PM 137

Wedbrush Securities analyst and quintessential crystal ball holder Michael Patcher feels that Kinect was former Interactive Entertainment Busioness President Don Mattrick’s favorite child, and now Mattrick isn’t at Microsoft anymore. That’s why he thinks that the technologically advanced camera is going to be removed from the box of the Xbox One, as he explained during the latest episode of the Bonus Round webcast.

Kinect was Don Mattrick’s favorite child. He believed in it, he thought it was gonna change the world. He believed it a mechanism to cross sell skype and to cross sell cable access and doing other things.

I think that as Microsoft developed Skype, they recognized how fast smartphones and tablets have been adopted and I think the overlap of Xbox One households and smartphones and tablets households is probably a hundred percent. I think that Kinect has become almost irrelevant.

I think Skype is a really cool app, but FaceTime works. you don’t really need that Skype in your living room… It’s better if everybody is on the couch, but FaceTime works.

I think the voice command is really cool, but you can use your tablet. The answer is: Don isn’t there anymore. You have a new boss over the Xbox division, who has no skin in the Kinect game, so… Sure they’re gonna unbundle. Not in 2014. They will not change the SKU that dramatically in the first full year. It’s a 2015 event.

Pachter continued by explaining that the removal of Kinect will allow Microsoft to cut the price of the Xbox One, but Sony is in the position to stay ahead like it did with the PS2.

Just the way they introduced the 4 GB Xbox after a couple years, they’ll bring one out and it’ll be something that’ll look a little dumbed down… I think they’ll actually pick the core model and put a 2 TB hard drive in it, and then the dumbed down one will have a 500 GB hard drive, and it’ll have no Kinect, and it’ll be 400 bucks. That’s the easiest way to do the price cut. The problem is that if by spring ’15 they cut the price to $400, Sony goes 349 for ours! Sony right now is in a position to stay ahead of them, and this is what happened with the PS2. PS2 kept taking share by cutting price.

I think this is a price game. I think unbundling Kinect is the smartest way to get competitive right away.

The seasoned analyst concluded that Kinect does have a saving grace, and it’s that it caters to the “selfie crowd,” especially with the recent implementation of Twitch broadcasting.

Will we really see a Kinect-less Xbox One? Personally, I’m not as sure as Pachter is. At the moment is one of the most relevant distinguishing factors from the competition, and I’m not confident that  the company is ready to give up on it.

What do you think? Will time, and the first half of 2015, prove Michel Pachter right?

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  • Wargreymon559 .

    Kinect sux period.That’s why M$ gimped on the hardware.You don’t farking tell your customers what they want.

    This is why Sony will always upstage M$ you give consumers a choice they will most likely gravitate towards your product instead of the one shoving somethin down their throat.

    • Michael Mullis

      So please tell us your experience with it. Because I use it pretty much every time I use my Xbox One, and it certainly doesn’t “sux”.

      Nevermind, I should have looked at the M$ part.

      • James Fitzgerald

        My experience with the first kinects tells me all I need to know about the kinects 2.0 its kind of interesting for about 5 mins then I just grab the control and stop yelling at my tv.

        • ExTrooperBrenTurner
          • shinitaru

            Okay, you got me there, that does look fun…if you’re an a$$hole

          • ExTrooperBrenTurner

            Great !

          • jacksjus

            Lmao!

        • Michael Mullis

          So basically, you have no experience with the new Kinect, and you don’t know what you are really talking about, except to try to be one of the cool kids trashing something you haven’t used.
          Got it.

          • shinitaru

            But you do have experience with it and you aren’t saying anything that contradicts that opinion. Sorry, but we’re not going to spend $500 just so we can be “qualified” to have an opinion

          • choujij

            Dude, it’s a failed gimmick. Let it go.

          • shinitaru
          • Mikal

            I wouldn’t say failed, around 4 million sold sounds good to me. I don’t know anybody who has a problem with the system. They seem to be enjoying their games and what not just fine. Never understood what’s wrong with that. Also you didn’t buy the system so what exactly are you complaining about?

          • shinitaru

            no, they sold 4 million XB1′s, the Kinect just happened to be along for the ride. It wasn’t the Kinect that sold most of those consoles, it was Ryse, DR3, Forza, Titanfall, etc. There may have been a few that bought it for the Kinect, but I doubt there were many

          • Mikal

            Still not clear what you are complaining about since you don’t own the system. Care to shed some light on it?

          • shinitaru

            What you see as a complaint is merely me expressing my opinion. I have as much right to be here as you do. If you are so insecure that you can’t deal with that, it’s not my problem. *shrugs*

          • Mikal

            I’m assuming you also don’t know the definition of insecurity either, I will leave that to you and the dictionary. Suffice to say asking why someone is doing something had nothing to do with insecurity. I have no real stake besides moderate entertainment in games. I just find it curious how foolish fanboys are. If you can’t understand intellectual curiosity I suppose I should shrug my shoulders as well. Not much to be done about that.

          • shinitaru

            Nope, there’s not.

          • Mikal

            When you buy a system you buy all parts of it not just the parts you like. As such unless there was a poll I’m unaware of asking those 4 million customers why they bought the system, I would presume they bought it for the whole package. Of course you could have the link to that poll and if so I would gladly accept your argument. Otherwise it’s pure conjecture based on personal preference.

          • shinitaru

            I have no polls like that and you know it but seriously, do you really think that more people bought the console for that camera or for Titanfall? Are you really going to argue that one? I’m not saying that there is no one that likes the Kinect, there clearly are, but I think that most of the people who bought the system bought it for the game and would have done if the Kinect had never factored into it.
            Again, my opinion but, come on…

          • Mikal

            Actually I wouldn’t venture to argue any of those opinions. I would say people buy entertainment systems to entertain them. Thus I would argue that x1 owners bought it for all it offers. I would also point out that people are calling part of a system a failure after a big lifespan of four months. Which seems erroneously ignorant considering the last gen had around 8 years and is still going fairly strong. So I’m not sure how 4 months is enough time to gauge the failure rate of anything to do with either system at this point. Knee jerks though. People love to fanboy

          • shinitaru

            ” People love to fanboy”
            So I’m noticing, They love to straw man an awful lot too

          • Mikal

            Agreed, they seem to love pointing out the smallest seeming failure and use it to support their entire argument. A horrible logical fallacy if ever there were one.

          • shinitaru

            And completely oblivious too….

          • Mikal

            Agreed write oblivious to their ignorance…..

          • James Fitzgerald

            The “cool kids” are the people over paying because of forced hardware. The “cool kids” are the morons who started a petition to bring back the consumer rights stripping, monopolizing and unneeded DRM that only benefited Microsoft. A “cool Kid” (which I stop being 20 some years ago) I called the kinects garbage from the reveal just like I called the low preorder and sales numbers of the xbone before reveal when it was just the roamer mill. The “cool kids” are the people over paying because of forced hardware, the “cool kids” are the morons who started a petition to bring back the consumer rights stripping, monopolizing

          • Michael Mullis

            You don’t even know what it’s called. That wall of text and you said next to nothing.

          • someguy

            what he said was pretty clear to me

          • James Fitzgerald

            Says the person who was just pawned and has nothing to say back.

          • Mikal

            Bottom line is that you didn’t buy it, so your complaints are irrelevant. Same with the X1 fanboys. You sound like a bunch of teenage girls arguing over whose dress is better. You bought the dress because you liked it, you didn’t buy the other because you didn’t like it. So complaining and commenting about something you don’t own or plan to own does what exactly? Make you all sound like idiots? I would say so. Just go enjoy your games people, your opinion won’t change anything. X1 fans will always love their system, ponys will always love theirs and both will have a ton of regardless of either side opinion.

          • James Fitzgerald

            That’s true then your own comment makes you look like a bigger idiot. Its free world and a free internet douche bag so follow your own advice.

          • Mikal

            Actually my comment is completely relevant to the topic. Albeit a topic that shouldn’t exist nor be commented on by anyone who doesn’t plan on owning it. By your logic I could randomly hate on all systems and not own any and have my commentary be relevant to the proceedings? I want to hear what court you think such an argument would have any validity in. Here’s a hint, it rhymes with hero. Also all of my commentary was logically valid, feel free to test it anywhere. Exactly which part of it makes me a douche bag? Or is that just something people say when they don’t have the intelligence to adequately rebuke an argument? Ah well since it’s the social convention I suppose I should call you a nimrod.

          • shinitaru

            “Albeit a topic that shouldn’t exist nor be commented on by anyone who doesn’t plan on owning it.”
            Sure, in your perfect world, the topic would only be open to those who agree with you….

          • Mikal

            That’s not my assertion at all. I believe it clearly states I am of the mind that one should have experience with something before formulating and sharing an opinion on it. If that’s not clear by my former stated and this one, I’m not sure how I can make it any clearer..

          • shinitaru

            You can’t, you’ve made your point abundantly clear. I simply don’t agree with it. There is a wealth of information out there for anyone who bother to read. I don’t have to make the mistake of paying $500 for a console that is not right for me, and I have the right to comment on that.
            You’re the one who is coming across as closed minded here

          • James Fitzgerald

            Your logic is build on the idea that OPs are valid if you don’t own, plan to own or have even used a product. Your logic would have everyone buy something to be able to comment. Your an idiot. Choices and OPs are base and made on gathered information dip shit. I’m not going to spend 500$ to find out something I already know. Just because a turd has 2.0 stuck next to it doesn’t make anymore useful then a turd in the toilet. let me repeat something for you moron. I don’t need to get knocked out to know what happens, I don’t need to get choked out to know how it works and I don’t need to eat rotten meat to know it’s bad.

          • Mikal

            Fair enough mate, so by your logic we should all be able to give valid opinions without experience related to whatever we want. So I can call your g/f a whore with a mixed bag of degenerative studs. I have no experience with her, but apparently I don’t need that to hold that opinion. Is that your assertion? I don’t think that’s fair to her, but I suppose that’s acceptable to you. Fair enough mate.

          • James Fitzgerald

            Am I supposed to go all rage monster because you lack the ability to comprehend what I said and understand how normal adult people make decision about products? I have experience with the current one let me guess you buy everything first then decide you don’t like it right? No you don’t moron. I have a Kinect is shit and I havent plugged it in or used it for a couple years now, second I would unload it but there are too many in my local pawn shops they wont take them. Experience of products (in most cases this one such case) isn’t going to change the fact its a gimmick that was forced on ms consumers because MS know what’s best for you and they know what you like before you do.

          • Mikal

            Actually what I used is called a hypothetical based on the context of your argument. Whether you rage or not is completely up to you, but irrelevant to the topic overall. However since you insist on calling names, which again I guess means I now have to call you a moron as is social convention, I must assume you have already raged. Otherwise name calling has no real place here. Something I believe I have stipulated several times. Actually I read product reviews and then say something along the lines of “doesn’t sound right for me,” based on the reviews and if I trust them. I do not however go tell people who do decide to purchase it that I know beyond a doubt that their product is subpar or great, or whatever criticism I may have, simply because I have no hands on experience. Its incredibly foolish to tell someone who has experienced something, the behavior or utility of something they own when I don’t personally own it. Hence the g/f hypothetical. I can think your g/f is an std carrying whore because perhaps I met a woman similar to her that was a disease carrying whore. However I have no experience with your g/f personally, so I can’t in fact tell her, or you that she is a disease carrying whore, because I have no proof. I only have past experience with something similar, but not the same mate. Not meaning trying to actually insult your g/f mate. I’m just using that hypothetical to illustrate the erred notion of telling someone about something they have, without having it yourself. If you don’t find that example favorable, how about this.

            You drink a green colored drink and decide it tastes disgusting. You see another person drinking a similar drink which is advertised to be better than the one you drank. Then you go tell that person that his drink tastes terrible. You haven’t drank the same drink. So how can you tell him his drink tastes terrible? Make sense? You can tell him you drank a similar drink and thats why you think it tastes terrible. However you haven’t actually drank the same drink. Thats all I mean when I say people should have hands on experience before subscribing to a thought or opinion. Does it mean you should go buy the product no. But it does mean when someone who actually has the product states a counter opinion to yours, theirs will have a bit more validity because they actually own it. For example, if i were to say your g/f is a std carrying whore, you could say, no my g/f isn’t a disease carrying whore. How could I refute that? She isn’t my g/f, I haven’t slept with her. So I couldn’t really counter your position. The same logic applies here mate.

            And this isn’t just for sony fanboys, this goes for everyone xbots,and whatever you call wii fanboys.

          • Mikal

            Also you are an idiot and a dip shit not sure what place either of these terms has in a debate or court room, my philosophy teacher always said name calling in a debate suggests you are dealing with someone who lacks the mental faculty to adequately represent a counter argument. So I will just mirror you in that respect.

          • James Fitzgerald

            Is why you start the “debate” by calling me and the other commentator a name right. New flash douche this isn’t a court room or debate Jesus sure dumb.

          • Mikal

            Missed the part where I said I was mirroring you did we?

          • James Fitzgerald

            Im done talking ball bag move on

          • Mikal

            Lmao fair enough lady, no need to get your panties in a bunch. This was fun.

          • James Fitzgerald

            Christ youe fucken tool blocked you are as yoda would say

        • Nihelus Aurenis

          Uh… no, no it doesn’t. You want to know why your kinect experience with the 360 doesn’t count? The xbox one’s kinect actually works. I’ve already used kinect more on xbox one than I ever did on 360. Is it “essential”? Not really, but they didn’t want to fragment their market this generation. I can understand that.

          They need to get some fun casual party games out and market the thing like Nintendo marketed the Wii if they want to catch up, in my opinion anyway.

          • James Fitzgerald

            The fact some people may find it useful is irrelevant as my own experience is the only one that counts when I’m spending my money.

      • shinitaru

        Okay, what do you use it for that’s fun? Other than navigating that overly complicated UI with voice and swipe input. Is that really what you call fun? Sounds to me like a feature that would have been quickly redundant had they built a UI that could have been navigated easily using the controller

        • Michael Mullis

          Let’s see. Besides making my way around the not so difficult UI, head tracking in Forza, manipulating my NPC characters in Dead Rising 3, and Skype. Oh and I’ll probably use it more for Twitch when I start that.

          I find plenty of use for it.

          • shinitaru

            Yeah, it’s not difficult as long as you memorized the vocal commands, but try doing it controller only sometime. They made the UI too unwieldy to be navigated by conventional means.

        • Mikal

          Actually I’m pretty far from close minded. I simply require experience before I prescribe to a thought out opinion. It’s a popular principle of science called empirical evidence. Used in fact to create the very video game systems we now debate. If that’s close minded to you, I can’t help you mate. I suppose to you all lawyers, philosophers and scientists are close minded. Forgetting that I asked you several times to provide some form of evidence and I would gladly accept your theory. Something a close minded person by definition would never do. Dictionary mate, use it.

          • shinitaru

            Opinion “mate”, live with it. You really seem to enjoy pontification. I don’t proved proof to you because I don’t care enough to.
            Take your straw men somewhere else, child. I’m not the one

          • Mikal

            Your opinions are sorely lacking in fact and evidence. Straw men theory is a logical fallacy wherein ones position is refuted by way of a replacement argument similar to the first one. Your argument is that anyone should be able to comment on anything without empirical evidence. Mine is that an argument with hands on experience is more valuable because of actual application as opposed to hypothetical theory. When have I replaced your argument with a weaker version of it, to refute it? Not once. I have maintained from beginning to end that opinions not based on evidence or fact are foolish, for the aforementioned reasons. if you are going to claim logical fallacy, you should cite when it was used. Your inability to understand simple logic makes you the child my friend. Fair enough, I suppose, you can’t argue logic with a child.

          • shinitaru

            This conversation has gone on far too long so I’m just going to nip it in the bud right now. I see through you pretty well, even those circuitous little jabs that you keep taking, thinking vainly that you are so clever. I chose not to acknowledge them because I didn’t want to get into a pissing match with you, but I’m past that now. You are an a$$hole

            Who do you think you are trying to impose yourself on people’s rights to post their opinion in an open forum. Yes, insecure and closed minded fits you well. Please don’t reply to me again, you’re not the type of person I like talking to.

            What a f*cking douchebag

            BTW, was “logical fallacy” on your phase a day calendar or what?

          • shinitaru

            You like to use lots of big words and talk in circles, I’m sure that confuses most people into thinking that you’re intelligent. That doesn’t work on me. I could do the same if I were a pretentious twat, but I find it dull and exhausting.

          • James Fitzgerald

            Do us a favor and get some empirical evidence on what happens when you put a gun to head to pull the trigger.

          • Mikal

            Hmmmm a lot of you like to pretend you’re 8 again in this comment section. What’s wrong with a healthy adult debate. Socrates and Aristotle were lucky, they actually lived in an age of intelligent debate. People would just debate, no name calling needed because their peers would quickly seem them as imbeciles for doing so. Our schools have most definitely failed you.

          • shinitaru

            “Socrates and Aristotle were lucky, they actually lived in an age of intelligent debate”
            They also enjoyed buggering each other. You would have fit right in :)

      • CervantesPR

        the kinect blows dude even the wiimote and nunchuck is a lot more practical, and the single fact that they have officially announced a “media remote” proves how much of a fail the kinect 1.5 is. all the voice commands etc couldve been done with the original kinect. you see the original kinects in pawn shops at a dime for a dozen just like guitar hero guitars lol

      • PCS4-Box U

        Well I have used it and I would have to agree that it “sux”. The voice commands are still finkcy, better but not good enough. I don’t like using them either, gaming is where i find my peace and frustratingly having yell at my xbox annoys the hell out of me, and anyone else in the room for that matter. Not to mention this same functionality can be done with any microphone, including the headset that comes in the box – voice commands aren’t anything new.
        They’ve still yet to show me any meaningful; reason why controller-less gaming should exist. I’ll concede that it works for dance games but I don’t play dance games, nor do i want to stand up to play game. Looking at there upcoming games, i dont see anyting on the horizon that utilizes it in any meaningful way either- for that matter, after Titanfall, there isnt much of anything on Microsofts Outlook calender. Granted E3 is still to come and I’m sure they’ll try to come out swinging consdiering Sony’s leg up in the market right now.
        Microsoft removing the Kinect seems inevitable though, the first Kinect failed to garner dev/publisher support and 2.0 seems destined to the same fate. That said, that’ll be when I buy one, I’m hoping there’ll be a solid lineup by that time too.

    • http://www.twitch.tv/MC_A_DOT A DOT ASANTE

      “This is why Sony will always upstage M$ you give consumers a choice they will most likely gravitate towards your product instead of the one shoving somethin down their throat.”

      So true. I had no intention of buying the PS4 camera until I saw a few vids and decided I wanted to start streaming, Now I love the thing. So glad that I had the chance to make my own choice.

  • Gannicus

    when the fully unlocked X1 is revealed itll be the deal of the decade, so why should they give it a price cut

    • Wargreymon559 .

      WUT??

      • matt

        Exactly lol

    • Mikeherp Derp

      misterxcult kool-aid is back on the menu with directx 12, apparently.

    • 3rdworldgamer

      this is interesting… you have solid proof that there are actually hidden items in XB1that would boost its performance? i would really like to know

      • shinitaru

        They must use cloaking technology as well since there have been several tear downs that revealed nothing of the sort

        • 3rdworldgamer

          recently, i’ve been reading about this stuff hidden in the XB1 which supposedly will be unlocked to help out with its performance. i’m just really curious if this is true or not.

          lol using cloaking technology :)

          • John Nemesh

            There is nothing “hidden” in the XB1. The FULL specifications have been available for quite some time…and if you look, you will note the slower DDR3 RAM (with an ESRAM cache that is SUPPOSED to make up for it…it does NOT)…and you will also notice that the PS4 has a 33% more powerful GPU than the XB1. NOTHING Microsoft can do with the software will make up for a power deficit of this magnitude!

            What you are probably referring to is the “overhead” that the Kinect reserved…which is about 8% of the Xbox’s total available power. 8% is not going to make up much…If a game running with the current restrictions gets 30fps, you will see MAYBE a 3 or 4 fps “bump” with the Kinect overhead removed. Thats IT.

    • You are flat out wrong

      lmao, another misterxmedia psychopath.

  • erico

    2015 will be too late, many gamers including myself have already turned to the ps4

    • erika

      agreed, i was all about the xbox 360 for quite some time. finally got a GOW edition ps4 (super late, i know) and was finally able to experience all those Sony exclusives. i fell in love….

      then ps4 announces its only $400 when XB1 is $500 … instantly decided which i was gonna get ha

    • Nihelus Aurenis

      PS3 arrived a YEAR late and $200 more expensive. Xbox One is already out and only $100 more expensive. They’re too late because they might even out the price difference in a year? Seriously? Your reasoning seems very flawed. I don’t expect Xbox One to catch up to Sony, though I do expect them to be more competitive soon.

      • Jecht_Sin

        You missed the fact that the common factor is that the PlayStation runs faster in sales.. The PS3 had to fill a gap and that took quite some time, the PS4 started with a flash and it keeps running well ahead raising the distance each week. Expect the PS4 sales to double the Xbone sales in 10 weeks or so.

        • Mikal

          The gap between the 360 and the ps3 was 8 million, sony just recently caught up in 2013. That’s around 8 years later. So calling the war over after 4 months sounds kind of dumb. All I hear is ponys screaming about the last of us, quite a good game 7 years later. They have plenty of time to play catch up.

          • shinitaru

            You know what? You were making good sense till you said, “pony”, after that you just sound like another fanboy

          • Mikal

            Two things, I dislike all fanboys ponys, xbones, and whatever they call wii fanboys. 2 if you can’t see the logic in an argument due to the idioms I use to reference certain groups of people and their behavior. Than that’s a failure of basic operational logic on your part, rendering your opinion useless to me. Have a nice day.

          • shinitaru

            “Than that’s a failure of basic operational logic on your part, rendering your opinion useless to me.”

            Two things: 1) I don’t recall expressing my opinion, and 2) my opinion, when I decide to offer it, isn’t here for your use.

            “I dislike all fanboys ponys, xbones, and whatever they call wii fanboys.”

            Like you’re any better

          • Mikal

            Opinion is defined as a belief not backed by fact. Hence you saying and I quote “you sound like another fanboy,” is an opinion. And since you said, that’s makes it an opinion you expressed. So when you day you don’t recall expressing your opinion, I assume it’s because your short term memory needs a boost. And not because you didn’t know what the word opinion meant. And yes I am better. Another matter of opinion. Mine happens to be that people who spend tons of time complaining and opining on something they never want to own are wastes of mental power. Such power would be better served on the systems they like playing this games. Yet they would rather spend that time complaining about the decisions of the rival faction. One would think they had better things to do on their beloved consoles, yet here they are so apparently not. Have a good day mate.

          • shinitaru

            Trying too hard “mate”

          • Mikal

            Lol trying too hard, not even close. Fanboying is easy to dismiss as foolish and pointless. Any student at the earliest stage of philosophy or law school can support that thesis mate.

          • shinitaru

            Sorry, you don’t deserve any more of my time

          • shinitaru

            It’s mine to waste as I see fit, I don’t need your permission nor your approval

          • Mikal

            Fair enough, you can and you don’t. However that also means that I can assert that your console is not as fun as you would lead me to believe. All I need to support that thesis is the fact that you are here arguing your right to complain about the rival system with me, rather than playing your beloved system. This is childs play and quite fun. I will be honest, I love debates.

          • shinitaru

            Bet you love that dildo you have shoved up your a$$ too

      • John Nemesh

        The difference is that the PS3 is actually superior to the 360 (although it WAS harder to develop for, so most of it’s power went untapped by developers)…and even though the PS3 had superior hardware, the games that were developed were within a hair’s breadth of difference between the Xbox 360 and PS3.

        THIS time, there is no doubt. When one console runs games at 1080p and 60fps and the other runs THE SAME GAME at a lower resolution and/or frame rate…AND is $100 less expensive, the choice for GAMERS is obvious.

        A price cut WILL NOT fix the lagging Xbox One sales, nor will “free” games (that have DLC/Micro-transactions, so really, they aren’t “free” at all!). MS developed a downright SHITTY console, and guess what? Sales are reflecting this!

        Sure, there will be some (foolish) people, who see value in the (broken) TV integration or the (again, broken) Kinect functionality. But MOST people buy a GAME console for playing GAMES…and it simply can not deliver on what is supposed to be it’s core functionality. GAME OVER, Microsoft.

        • shinitaru

          IDK about Game Over, but I’m hoping that this will serve as a wakeup call similar to what Sony experienced last gen.
          Hoping that next gen we will have 3 (I still have hopes for Nintendo) fantastic consoles and that everyone walks away a bit wiser and a lot more humble

  • jacksjus

    Pachter is wrong here. MS is not going to drop the Kinect because that is all the X1 has over the PS4 as far as a competitive advantage. Pachter is under the assumption that the price is the problem when it’s actually the power. If the X1 was 30% – 40% more powerful than the PS4 I don’t think anyone would bat an eye as it’s asking price.

    Now I can be wrong, because maybe removing the Kinect will bring the X1 on par with the PS4, but if this isn’t true don’t expect them to drop the Kinect, ever.

    • Wargreymon559 .

      Well M$ has a hard decision ahead don;t they?Either drop the kinect and lower the price on X1 or get left behind while Sony whoops their candy @$$.

      Your funeral M$.http://postimg.org/image/8hiukow43/

      • jacksjus

        If they drop the Kinect to lower the price they won’t have to worry about the PS4. They can now say hello to the WiiU who will be breathing down their necks every month in sells. Seriously by dropping the Kinect what more do they have to offer? What they need to do is start dropping solid games that actually utilizes the damn thing. You don’t just throw away $2B in research and development. If they drop the Kinect they may as well drop the entire XBox division.

        • Bankai

          Removing the Kinect would actually put Microsoft on a more or less even playing field with Sony, as they would be able to drop the price of their system like Sony did when they unbundled the PS Camera. As it stands now, the Xbox doesn’t have much of a chance due to price (which is what the casuals will look at) and the unnecessary Kinect (which is what the hardcore will look at).

        • Don Karam

          It’s really weird how you think unbundling Kinect means the same thing as dropping or ditching Kinect.

          • jacksjus

            Read an earlier post where I recognized that mistake. Then get back to me.

    • Gerry Gantry

      I’m being completely honest here. I don’t have an issue with money at all. I love the PS4. I WANT AN XBOX ONE AS WELL. But I flat out refuse to get one, no matter what exclusive games come out for it, no matter what price drop it gets and it’s all because of the KINECT. If they dropped the price to $400, I would still feel like I was being ripped off, because the Kinect is still bundled with with system. I feel if they can drop the price to 400, then it should be 300 and so on. Even if on the off chance they actually stopped bundling the Kinect, I would still never get it, because they built the XBOX around the Kinect and software would utilize the Kinect in the future. They have basically forced you into having Kinect for the whole of the consoles lifespan, in more ways than one. Microsoft messed up big time and now I hate them with a passion.

      • jacksjus

        Now I didn’t think about that. Yes they could unbundle the Kinect and sell it as an additional accessory. That could in fact happen. However, the PS4 camera is picking up steam so streaming is growing and MS needs to keep this in mind. I own the PS Camera and I am thinking of getting rid of it because I am not the type to broadcast myself. I don’t think you even need the camera to stream gameplay, it’s more or less for what I just stated before (broadcasting Vlogs). The sweet thing about it is that it is uncensored on Sony and that’s why the people actually want the camera on the PS4 side.

      • Mikeherp Derp

        Xboner should cost $300 for the amount of hardware power you get in it.

    • Batnut1992

      I have to go with Pachter on this one. While Hardcore gamers will take the time to research the console itself and find out that the PS4 is more powerful, the more casual gaming crowd out there aren’t quite as dedicated. Everyone want’s to save a penny nowadays, they want to feel like they’re getting the best deal possible and the fact that out of the two next-gen consoles, the PS4 is cheaper will resonate more with the more price-conscious crowd, the casuals, the ones who just want a machine to game-on. The Kinect to me was a mistake, and they should’ve just pushed for a mic that allows voice control like the PS Earbud without forcing Kinect down the gamers throat. The fact that the PS Eye has picked up steam and sold very well just proves that if you give people a reason and the choice to pick up an accessory than they will. That’s just what I think anyway, I could be wrong.

    • shinitaru

      Agreed, IMO it’s more about the compromise that the inclusion of the Kinect represents. Remove the Kinect now and all you are left with is a less capable console at the same price point

    • shinitaru

      If the X1 was 30% – 40% more powerful than the PS4
      Or even equal, I’m not shy about spending money on what I want, if the XB1 were on equal footing and included a Kinect for and extra Benjamin, I wouldn’t have issues with that even though I don’t really want the Kinect, I wouldn’t feel like I were sacrificing something (other than money)

  • vastreammonster

    I think Pachter is on to something with M$ releasing a $400 Xbone with no Kinect.

  • ExTrooperBrenTurner

    Even if Microsoft decided a price cut for the Xbox 720 (which will not happen right now obviously lol), the PS4 will, I’m 100% sure, still remain cheaper. Plus, it’s easier to develop on, and it’s more powerful. Wake the hell up Microsoft, Sony has won !

    • Mikal

      Sony has won. You do realize if Sony prescribed to that logic you would never have a ps4. Microsoft kicked the crap out of Sony with the 360 for years. If Sony gave up, they would never have caught Microsoft in sales, albeit 7 years later. The point is they caught up and as a result were able to give you plenty of good games and now a ps4. So am I to understand you would rather have never had the last of us and other great titles? Rather have had sont throw in the towel at the 8 million console deficit? I rather like the last of us, so I’m glad they didn’t. However you can’t have it both ways. And since it’s only been for months, saying either side has won, is rather foolish mate.

  • Steph

    It’s funny how people only agree with Patcher when they want to lol, the rest of the time they say he is clueless. Fanboy logic at it’s finest.

    • superkarma

      Anyone with half a brain and some common sense would already know motion gaming is and has been irrelevant for quite some time now. The next big thing is VR. That’s what Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo should be focusing on.

    • Jecht_Sin

      He is still clueless. Even throwing a coin one is right 50% of the times. He would be a genius if he managed to be ALWAYS totally wrong!! lol

      • Mikeherp Derp

        Or he would be “stuph” the delusional fanboy imbecile.

    • Mikeherp Derp

      Delusional, clueless, evil, and WRONG. Every one of your posts is factually wrong and insane. Plastic worshipping cultist.

  • heavenshitman1

    This is why Pacther could never work in the games industry. He’s mindless. Ppl need to stop knocking Kinect and the dismal 100 US price difference. IF devs use one brain cell in their head, and if they actually make an attempt to use Kinect 2.0. XB1 will have software that PS4 will never touch. And XB1 could easily have a genre and games library beyond PS4′s standard dual-analogue gaming. It’s not worth removing Kinect.
    Look at what they’re doing with smartphones turning them into personalised precision medical devices via a stethoscope peripheral for one tiny example. If someone thinks hard enough Kinect 2.0 could turn into a device that no one person could possibly want to live without.
    Use the damn technology get outside the box. INNOVATE in your games. We’ve got enough dual-analogue FPSs for the next century.

    • nunley33

      But those fabled would be kinect games you speak of could be done and put on ps4 by 3rd parties with their plsystation camera. The thing there isn’t an interest for those games.ms keeps telling their customers and the press they do and their customers keep insistiey don’t but ms don’t listen and that is why they’re in the mess they’re in. Sony sought out what devs and customers wanted to see in the PS4,ms took the opposite approach and told them what they wanted and liked to see in the XBONE.

      • heavenshitman1

        (this is a cut and paste response to 3 of you who rebuked me on the Kinect 2.0 debate, wanted to retort you all personally)
        First of all PS4 simply will not be able to mimic all the software that XB1 might possibly get. Because the Playstation camera is not out the box. Devs just can’t programme anything meaningful into hardware the mass customer base simply won’t have. Forcing Kinect makes it a plausible option to build software for.
        Secondly about the cheesy games that have been made for Kinect already. That doesn’t limit the XB1 to those cheesy games. XB1 can still have all the mainstream dual-analogue games PS4 can ……..PLUS any kind of motion of voice controlled software/gaming. An expanded games library well and truly beyond what PS4 will ever have. And it doesn’t have to equate to flimsy arm waving. Like the example I gave at the start, simple mobile phones are literally being turned into functional medical devices with a peripheral and some software. As in, potentially life saving style technology. If a phone can do that, what could Kinect 2.0 do, if they programme properly for it. High resolution infra-red camers and a lot of processing power behind it. I’m not a physics engineer, but think of having your XB1 do a health scan on you, determining your weight, figure status, general health. If M’softs PR wasn’t BSing us, well apparently the device can visualize your heart rate. If Microsoft could sell the XB1 on the promise of it being a legitimate health/medical tool, purely as one tiny example of the technology, you could expect nigh on every solitary house hold world wide buying into that system. Potentially… That’s a dream notion, but the idea is there.
        Customers don’t know what they want. And they need a push sometimes to break beyond their molds. If we listened to the customers, 2 of the most successful systems and their controls of all time wouldn’t have existed, Wii and DS. Vita’s general failure has proven that a horsepower boost isn’t what gaming needs, and PS4 gaming I’m almost positive will be dull, the same NFS rehashes we’ve had for years, more Assassins Creed run arounds you’ve done for years, 20 more dual-analogue FPSs you’ve been playing for generations. The fact that games like Knack, Ryse Son of Rome, Killzone Shadowfall and even the newly released Theif (at least the console versions) have all received poor critiques despite cutting edge graphics technology more or less proves that processing performance means little in gaming. And all PS4 offers is a little more of that, mostly which my 3 year old PC outmatches anyways…

        • superkarma

          You really expect me to read that wall of text? Lol.

    • superkarma

      Give it up already. Kinect is a failed product — always was, always will be…no matter how hard Microsoft tries to market/push it on consumers.

      You say if developers actually put effort into making games for it…yeah, well, there’s a reason why they don’t. It’s not worth it. Kinect games (or any motion-sensor game, actually) is a very niche market.

      Putting more time, money, and effort towards an already failed product is not going to magically turn it around. Everyone has already made up their mind about Kinect. It has been that way for years now. Kinect 2.0 is hardly enough of a change from the original to warrant any new hype/excitement.

      • Mikeherp Derp

        Bu bu bu including a kinect in every box means devs will support it and consumers will love it! Why isn’t Xboner selling like hotcakes?!

      • heavenshitman1

        (this is a cut and paste response to 3 of you who rebuked me on the Kinect 2.0 debate, wanted to retort you all personally)
        First of all PS4 simply will not be able to mimic all the software that XB1 might possibly get. Because the Playstation camera is not out the box. Devs just can’t programme anything meaningful into hardware the mass customer base simply won’t have. Forcing Kinect makes it a plausible option to build software for.
        Secondly about the cheesy games that have been made for Kinect already. That doesn’t limit the XB1 to those cheesy games. XB1 can still have all the mainstream dual-analogue games PS4 can ……..PLUS any kind of motion of voice controlled software/gaming. An expanded games library well and truly beyond what PS4 will ever have. And it doesn’t have to equate to flimsy arm waving. Like the example I gave at the start, simple mobile phones are literally being turned into functional medical devices with a peripheral and some software. As in, potentially life saving style technology. If a phone can do that, what could Kinect 2.0 do, if they programme properly for it. High resolution infra-red camers and a lot of processing power behind it. I’m not a physics engineer, but think of having your XB1 do a health scan on you, determining your weight, figure status, general health. If M’softs PR wasn’t BSing us, well apparently the device can visualize your heart rate. If Microsoft could sell the XB1 on the promise of it being a legitimate health/medical tool, purely as one tiny example of the technology, you could expect nigh on every solitary house hold world wide buying into that system. Potentially… That’s a dream notion, but the idea is there.
        Customers don’t know what they want. And they need a push sometimes to break beyond their molds. If we listened to the customers, 2 of the most successful systems and their controls of all time wouldn’t have existed, Wii and DS. Vita’s general failure has proven that a horsepower boost isn’t what gaming needs, and PS4 gaming I’m almost positive will be dull, the same NFS rehashes we’ve had for years, more Assassins Creed run arounds you’ve done for years, 20 more dual-analogue FPSs you’ve been playing for generations. The fact that games like Knack, Ryse Son of Rome, Killzone Shadowfall and even the newly released Theif (at least the console versions) have all received poor critiques despite cutting edge graphics technology more or less proves that processing performance means little in gaming. And all PS4 offers is a little more of that, mostly which my 3 year old PC outmatches anyways.

        • Mikeherp Derp

          0/10 spam shitpost mods please ban

      • John Nemesh

        “Putting more time, money, and effort towards an already failed product is not going to magically turn it around”

        Tell that to Microsoft….specifically, their divisions responsible for Windows Phone, Surface, and Windows 8!

        • shinitaru

          Naw, Win8 isn’t a fail. We have no choice but to buy it, they’ve already cut support for Win7, the rest of that, yeah epic fail

    • Kupo

      I’m a gamer and I just want a game system without the casual crap. I
      don’t want to scream “YOU’RE CRAZY!” at the Kinect 50 times to beat a
      boss in Dead Rising, I don’t want to wave my hands around to do what a
      flick of my finger on the thumbstick can do much better, and I don’t
      want games to try to force that foolishness on me. Casuals seem to love
      cameras, so the cameras should be sold separately. You can still get your little tiger petting games or whatever, and we don’t have throw away $100 for a pointless gimmick.

      You may be fine throwing away $100 on a gimmick that doesn’t improve anything, but most people aren’t.

      But I suppose gamers can just buy the PS4 and PC instead and leave the XBO to the casuals. Seems to be what’s happening right now anyways. I mean after what they tried to force on people at the last E3 I don’t think any sane person would trust them for a while.

      • heavenshitman1

        (this is a cut and paste response to 3 of you who rebuked me on the Kinect 2.0 debate, wanted to retort you all personally)
        First of all PS4 simply will not be able to mimic all the software that XB1 might possibly get. Because the Playstation camera is not out the box. Devs just can’t programme anything meaningful into hardware the mass customer base simply won’t have. Forcing Kinect makes it a plausible option to build software for.
        Secondly about the cheesy games that have been made for Kinect already. That doesn’t limit the XB1 to those cheesy games. XB1 can still have all the mainstream dual-analogue games PS4 can ……..PLUS any kind of motion of voice controlled software/gaming. An expanded games library well and truly beyond what PS4 will ever have. And it doesn’t have to equate to flimsy arm waving. Like the example I gave at the start, simple mobile phones are literally being turned into functional medical devices with a peripheral and some software. As in, potentially life saving style technology. If a phone can do that, what could Kinect 2.0 do, if they programme properly for it. High resolution infra-red camers and a lot of processing power behind it. I’m not a physics engineer, but think of having your XB1 do a health scan on you, determining your weight, figure status, general health. If M’softs PR wasn’t BSing us, well apparently the device can visualize your heart rate. If Microsoft could sell the XB1 on the promise of it being a legitimate health/medical tool, purely as one tiny example of the technology, you could expect nigh on every solitary house hold world wide buying into that system. Potentially… That’s a dream notion, but the idea is there.
        Customers don’t know what they want. And they need a push sometimes to break beyond their molds. If we listened to the customers, 2 of the most successful systems and their controls of all time wouldn’t have existed, Wii and DS. Vita’s general failure has proven that a horsepower boost isn’t what gaming needs, and PS4 gaming I’m almost positive will be dull, the same NFS rehashes we’ve had for years, more Assassins Creed run arounds you’ve done for years, 20 more dual-analogue FPSs you’ve been playing for generations. The fact that games like Knack, Ryse Son of Rome, Killzone Shadowfall and even the newly released Theif (at least the console versions) have all received poor critiques despite cutting edge graphics technology more or less proves that processing performance means little in gaming. And all PS4 offers is a little more of that, mostly which my 3 year old PC outmatches anyways..

        • Mikeherp Derp

          Consumers don’t want kinect. It’s a market failure. End of story, delusional fanboy.

          • Gannicus

            they want boring games that they’ve played every year for the last year, welcome to the PS4 the fact that sony have virtually scrapped Drive Club probably goes to show that its the same old rubbish in a new game. Doubt they’ve got the creativity to create a truly amazing racing game

          • Mikeherp Derp

            6 million to 3.5 million says a lot about what consumers want.

          • shinitaru

            You’re really sounding kind of desperate. Has Titanfall’s underperformance completely unhinged you?

          • 3rdworldgamer

            “they want boring games that they’ve played every year for the last year”

            if wanting sequels to DIVERSE genres of gaming titles for my preferred console which is the Playstation is BORING, what exactly can you describe the plethora of FPS multiplayer dudebro games coming out of your preferred console which is the 360/XB1?

    • Mikeherp Derp

      LOL. Blaming devs for not utilizing a product consumers don’t want. Genius.

    • dirtmerchant1980 .

      if and when this must have app becomes a reality, then ill get on board, but im not buying an xbone with kinect2.0 until there is a already a proven use for it that cant be gotten elsewhere. I don’t see why I should spend 100 usd to payoff a promise that hasn’t been delivered on yet. debundle that shit, then ill buy xbone, and then when this mystical unicorn fart of a must have Kinect app appears ill give them my money.

  • CervantesPR

    where is steph?? i dont see his comment in this pro PS4 article

    • You are flat out wrong

      At Gaming Bolt, clinging to the latest Xbot pipe dream that is DX12.

  • Kitwana Robinson

    oh i don’t need argument because I’m so xbox hard gamer .

  • Xu En

    Simplest explanation is “Mattrick is a twat” – he looked like a twat – and appearances aren’t deceptive.

    Still love the xbox 360, but a white PS4 would be nice…

    • Mikeherp Derp

      Mattrick is the Xbots lord and savior, that tells you a lot about how delusional they are. “MS couldn’t have possibly thrown gamers under the bus with an underpowered console!”

  • V For Vincennes

    For once, I have to agree with Pachter.

  • Mikeherp Derp

    They will drop kinect and price drop to $400, they don’t have much of a choice. Consumers have spoken and they don’t want it.

    • Jecht_Sin

      To then sell the expensive Kinect for at least $120? Twice the PS4 Eye? Not sure that would be a smart idea. Many people still do want a camera to communicate.

  • gradius6

    even 349.00 is not tempting enough for me to buy ps4 not enough variety yet to many open world games. illuminati military open world games need a 5-10 year vacation.

    • Michael Balchunas

      open world is better then linear IMO…

  • Averix

    This is the one time I think Pachter is right. MS has to drop the Kinect or they will be floundering the whole generation. Seriously, what is that thing good for besides voice commands? $5 microphone is all it needs.

  • Hogwild333

    If no compelling Kinect games are made, then I think it will be phased out of the standard bundle and replaced with a cheap microphone array for voice control. Perhaps they will release a system without the video pass through and the IR blaster in order to really cut the cost. They might be able to beat Sony’s price if they do that.

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