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inFAMOUS: Second Son: Sucker Punch Firmly Denies Visual Downgrade since E3; Details FX Technology

by on March 13, 2014 6:58 PM 203

InFAMOUS: Second Son Tech Art Lead Jason Connell definitely has a lot to say about the game’s visual technology, its lighting and effects, and he did so on a Q&A event on Facebook and on his personal Twitter.

First of all Connel addressed rumors of a visual downgrade since E3 2013, sparked by gameplay leaked today, mentioning that it was just a change in lighting due to the time of the day (pretty much confirming what Giuseppe wrote earlier today). Considering Connell’s role in the game’s development he’s definitely in the best place to answer that question:

Definitely no visual downgrade of graphics since then! We put that particular area in sunset instead of sunny time of day so that it matches the mood of narrative better.

He also described some of the most interesting effects we can expect to find in the final game:

Funny you mention that… at night, this is what we call ‘light pollution’. During the night time, in large cities… you will see the clouds turn an average light color from the city below. Especially in cities like Seattle…where we have extremely low cloud decks. I tried to put that into the games night time.

Well, when we moved to HDR and Physical Based Lighting… one of the benefits is having the world rendering look and feel like a cameras exposure. So, we just have to make sure that things look good in all time of days…but the system supports it fully.

We also learn about “physical based lighting,” that will add further realism to the game’s environments:

The lighting team spent a lot of time researching how bright it is outside during different times of day. We call this physical based lighting. This was done heavily in the pre production part of the project.

The most challenging part of moving to physical based lighting was establishing all of the rules of which an artist has to go by… and THEN figuring out how to break them artistically to get the exact look you want.

By the way, if you were wondering, there will be no difference in lighting between cutscenes and gameplay:

Virtually no difference. One is controlled by the player (by pressing the right buttons…) and one is controlled by how we script the fx into the cinematic. Same fx system and same lighting though.

One of the most interesting areas of the FX engine is definitely a feature that adds a degree of randomness to the brightness of the light:

Our FX engine allows for randomization of light brightness…it will look a bit different every time.

We also learn exactly how many different times of day there are, each with its own specific sky and hand-tailored lighting conditions:

Time flies… 8 Time of Days in the game, new hardware, physical based lighting, new fx. It was a fun project.

I really enjoyed working on the time of days. Each one has a specific sky and they are a lot of fun to make.

Connell went on to explain how the  static time of day (that changes following the story and not dynamically with the passing of time) has been handled, and how he still made it look somehow dynamic.

I could talk for days about this. For story reasons we lately keep TODs static. There are a few exceptions.

but I spend a lot of time trying to make TODs feel dynamic and have movement in clouds.. But largely are tied with narrative.

One of the biggest challenges? According to Connell, it was making Seattle’s typical overcast sky look appealing despite its gloomy appearance.

Getting smoke fx to look and feel right was tough… As for me… Getting a gray overcast day to look miserable yet appealing.

Lastly, Connell shared some information on what the PS4 contributed to the development of the game:

Power. Seriously… without getting too techy… it’s just much more powerful. More lights, more reflections, more particles, lights in particles… really great stuff.

Sucker Punch has created their own proprietary engine. We’ve used it for all our games including this one. Although we’ve done a major upgrade to the visuals to take advantage of PS4.

There’s no doubt that inFAMOUS: Second Son is one of the most visually impressive games we’ve seen in a while. Soon we’ll be able to see the result of Connel’s efforts with our own eyes, as the game will be released both in the United States and in Europe on March 21st.

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  • Wargreymon559 .

    Oh Crossing Eden you ready to eat your words just like all those who said it was a downgrade??

    • Jeff Pee

      Unfortunately, this article… those words, won’t make any bit of difference to what “some” people think about the visuals. I would be shocked if this article did actually changed their minds.

      • shinitaru

        Many of them probably read the headline then moved on, afraid to read something that would conflict with their opinions

        • Gamez Rule

          I still stand by what I posted☺.. “After looking at the pictures above and clearly seeing the differences between 2013 – 2014 versions, the older looking version ( In My Opinion ) looked better. Much better.” .. It just looked better at E3 compared to nowadays to my eyes.

          Q= Did you guys max the ps4 out?
          A= no were near the max.

          Q= Will infamous Second Son be released on PS3?
          A= no ps3 cant handle it.

          Q= If ps3 can handle watch dogs so why not infamous?
          A= watch
          dogs was made for PS3 just upgraded graphics on ps4. The tech and
          engine that runs for inFAMOUS second son was designed specifically for
          ps4 like all devs forward is the way, well forward.

          Q= Are the cut-scenes pre-rendered or is everything done in game?
          A= VERY FEW are pre-rendered cut-scenes. Everything is live and in the engine real time in MOST of the cut-scenes you’ll see.

          All good to know information if you ask me☺

          • Delsin Row

            how funny are you. if you dont like a game, stop bitching on the internet. because you cant change our mind to love this game. to love ps4. the best place to play. the stronger hardware. so bye bye.

          • Gamez Rule

            How am I bitching? I have it on pre-order, as well as having all other versions on my PS3, so just because I gave MY OPINION on the looks of a game doesn’t mean I don’t want the game. LMAO!

          • Delsin Row

            you bitching somehow that you dont want the game. if you want the game like me, im sure you didnt care for this stuff. you and me both know that what we see in game, is awesome and likable.

          • Gamez Rule

            OMG, you are the one bitching☺, I gave my opinion on how the game looked from old to new ( and stand by it ) and due to that you come out with *I don’t want the game*.. LMAO!

            I even gave good information ( Questions and Answers ) from the games team on here for people to see, and you think it’s bitching ect. Classic

          • Delsin Row

            Q= Will infamous Second Son be released on PS3?
            A= no ps3 cant handle it.

            Q= Did you guys max the ps4 out?
            A= no were near the max.
            These are trools kid. ;)

          • Gamez Rule

            I wouldn’t call them trools, just fans, but I posted some Q&A from the games team also.

            If people want to see Q & A just go to facebook like I did, but to stop the bitching, i’ll only show what the team stated then.

          • Gannicus

            kind of funny how when the models are put in the light it shows that they aren’t as impressive as you first thought, some scene from the picture from the guy uptop have extremely heavy lod scaling and blurring, I think the whole scene get lod scaled when your in normal view, dropped somewhat to accommodate the heavy particles being employed which is directly dependant on the GPU being able to do it.
            Yet laugh at the X1 when it gets done to them. I bet you most highly detailed ps4 games get the same treatment especially witcher 3.

          • shinitaru

            So, you think that he’s lying then?

          • Gamez Rule

            No, WHY would you think that?

          • Jessika S.

            …but you have not seen the game with your own eyes, you’ve been looking at it through youtube videos that are highly compressed. I think that I rather wait for reviews and to pick it up my self and play it full res and make a judgement on what it looks like. Watching a YouTube video Vs Full 1080p on you TV is a huge difference.

          • Gamez Rule

            Well compressed or not even the dev said there is a difference due to mentioning that it was just a change in lighting due to the time of the day, and IMO the old lighting looked better.

          • Jessika S.

            So because the lighting changed and because they chose a different time of day that automatically means that the game was downgraded, Sorry NO. Like I said in order to determine if the game has really good graphical fidelity you have to see it running on your TV full HD, when you watch the leaked gameplay videos you can look at them and see that they are highly compressed running at a very low quality of 720p.
            Every gaming site that has played the game says it looks incredible and they go as far as saying that it’s the best looking console game so far. Go to IGN, GameSpot, Gametrailers, GamesRadar, Rev3Games and more. It’s like people talking about Titanfall and the 6v6 they obviously never played it. So like I said lets wait for reviews or until we get our hands on it.

          • Gamez Rule

            I didn’t say it was downgraded LMAO! In fact I posted the following on this article..

            “No downgrades confirmed ( It’s official ) yet I still think the older settings looked better. Been waiting for this game for so long now so I say bring it on lol”

            So I just gave my OPINION on the change of lighting, and said the game looked better on the E3 screen-shots compared to the new version screen-shots that was shown to us. Simple as that really☺

          • Jessika S.

            Ok but that in it self means that some how it was downgraded if you think that the E3 screen shots looked better. Your entitled to your opinion. It’s like how I may think some one is cute and you can think that they are ugly. I still think that we should always wait for games to get a true final conclusion and wait for reviews, might end up looking incredible and be a really crappy game.

            I know a lot of people are highly sensitive when they only have one of the two consoles at home and they’ll defend a game they never played or talk bad about the one they can’t buy cause it’s exclusive to the console they don’t have. As far as we know everyone can come up with what they think till the game is released and reviews and consumers personal opinions come out if it truly looks bad or gameplay sucks will know.

          • Gamez Rule

            Yeah I’m on them, even posted pics up LOL

          • Jessika S.

            Seems like Sucker Punch is doing some damage control, LOL!. Hope sales are good for it.

          • Godoku No-Dan

            Shut the hell up you knob gobbler. What you saw in E3 was very little. You idiot. Specifically the Comet Drop looked great at E3, it looks EZACTLY THE SAME on retail version. The comet drop super environmental destruction looked awesome at E3 because seldom dropped right on the damn statue of the T-Rex. If you do that in the retain version you get the same effect. The soldiers flying everywhere effect is completely random. Sometimes the five bomber attack knocks them in the air, sometimes it knocks them flat to the ground. It’s awesome I have infamous retail version and it looks even BETTER than the E3 version. The lighting and flame effects in the warehouse where you fight the first conduit looks better than ANYTHING in the E3 trailer or the Fetch trailer. The Fetch cutscenes look better now than they did in their debut 4 months ago. The shadows are better and more varied . The frame ate is higher. You dir, are an ass.

          • Gamez Rule

            I own the game numb nuts, and I posted loads of pics up on duelshockers showing how good the game was, and even to the point of defending it against people that don’t even own a PS4 let alone the game, so before you jump in with all the insults against someone who gave their opinion on how the game looked from old to new ( over two weeks ago from what was shown to us ) i suggest you take a chill pill and save your breath as you’ll need it to blow up your date.

    • Eden’s Cross

      I will only believe this when I play the final game, because if what they are saying is true, then obviously the question would be if they were to adjust the time of day to the one in the e3 trailer would all the objects suddenly gain the exact same amount of depth and would the self shadowing on the character models return?

      • generic-user-name a.k.a GUN

        All signs point to yes.

      • Giuseppe Nelva

        They’ve already explicitly said that different times of day have different shadow settings.

        • Eden’s Cross

          Different shadow settings on the same cutscene would produce the effect we have in the e3 trailer. The backgrounds are definitely not showing the same amount of depth so we’ll see.

          • Redinferno124

            I’d say play the game before making assumptions, but it seems like you already made up your mind so…….

        • Allan Orr

          And that there’s a random factor built into the lighting (good move IMO more realistic potentially if done well), which means unless the scene is entirely pre rendered it’ll likely never look exactly the same even with the same base script settings.

      • jacksjus

        You sure do question something you’re certain to buy a lot. It’s either ok now I’m not buying it and that’s it. Simple.

      • MozBlue

        The leaked video showed that the self shadowing was still there. Just further in past the section used for the comparisons so fear not :)

    • Godoku No-Dan

      Eden is never going to play the game. He’s a damn Xbone Fanboy. Meanwhile Titanfsll on Xbone is a lossy 798p. It uses Valves Source engine which is now 9 years old . Pathetic. The closest Xbone game to this is Dead Rising 3. Rushed to market with crap graphics, and a frame rate that dips to 10 frames per second regularly. What is Dead Risings res? 720p right? Because its a repurposed 360 game, not true next gen. Look at inFamous 2 and then look at InFamous Second son. It’s a HUGE graphical leap. Shut your pie hole fanboys, this is the best looking Open World game on console. The graphics look phenomenal, Sucker Punch makes the OPEN WORLD Gfx engine do “A to Y” , and you’re going to bitch and complain that it doesn’t do “Z”. Seriously? Are you that desperate?

      • Dennis Gammaray

        well i do agree with you but i have Titanfall and i think it looks amazing and plays a treat

      • Richard Attila

        Nobody is talking about Titanfall here dude!and i don’t play games for resolution,i see games running in 1080p and 60fps and they look like crap and with shit story.When i played The last of us and Super Mario i didn’t watch the resolution and the frame rate…..these games are amazing.I see games on my pc 1080p worse than games running in 720p.

        • albatrosMyster

          Man I can’t wait for the 1080p60fps remake of The Last of US! Now it’s not as if we had to make a compromise, the PS4 offers great games and good performance, at a lower price than the xbox one… As for the games themselves, well, I have yet to see a game that would make the balance tilt… there is so much BS around the titanfall marketing, this is nauseating, if there was only a PC version, or if it was on all platforms it would not have garnered that much attention, it’s a good FPS with too few maps and probably the dumbest AI since that Alien game not too long ago (however the AI is now running on remote servers).

          Now go have some fun with your mechs and double jumping… if at least you had the PC version it would run correctly.

          • MasterofMidnight

            Well, I’m interested in Crimson Dragon, Zoo Tycoon, D4, Killer Instinct, TitanFall, and Project Spark. Those are enough to justify me buying the Xbox One console. But it’s purely up to people what console they want to buy, what games they want to play, and shouldn’t have boneheads on the net constantly trying to convince people to own another console just because their personal tastes are different.

            Price isn’t an issue for me either, nor are graphics. I paid top dollar for my Sega Saturn back in the day – a console seen as inferior to te competition and dead on arrival when it went up against the almighty PSX and then the N64, but I had 4 darn good years of awesome games to keep me occupied, and I still continue to play that console regularly to this day.

            Every major console has a good enough library to justify its place on the market. The PS4, XBox One, and the Wii U will all have their place. Anyone that wants to constantly argue that the PS4 is better simply by its visuals, processing power, and whatever else, are constantly missing the point on what games are all about.

  • Rob Real

    BS..you can clearly see to downgrade just stop SP.lol

    • Giuseppe Nelva

      No, you really can’t. Unless you really want to and do the utmost effort to brainwash yourself :D

      • Rob Real

        lol… I think you’re the one that’s brainwashed mod…either that or you need to get your eyes checked.lol

      • Redinferno124

        There’s no point with arguing with someone who has already made up his mind.

        It isn’t worth commenting on Playstation articles anymore because they always end up negative. Him and many others who write negative comments with no explanation ever given either:

        A. Hate Sucker Punch

        B. Hate Infamous

        C. Hate Sony

        D. All the above

        If they didn’t care, they wouldn’t be here. I just got chewed out in a previous Infamous article when an Xbox fan asked me if I wanted to buy boht this and Titanfall based on my comment history. I answered no just Infamous because I only have a PS4, which was follows by numerous spiteful replies saying I should kill myself for thinking this was better than Titanfall even when I said it was because I loved the other 2 games.

        Being a playstation fan seems to be a big taboo today.

        Thanks Xbox fans for being so understanding. Karma is a very real thing and she’s a bitch.

        • Jeff Pee

          It’s really sad. Luckily the very vocal negative crowd is very minor, but unfortunately…. it is the most vocal. The fanboys of last generation have turn into… fangirls! sensitive, bit*h, catty, hateful, girls. LOL

          • Redinferno124

            Xbots make gaming not fun…there I said it. I’m a PS fan, yet I have never once talked garbage about any of MS titles unless it was about something really bad that went beyond the games themselves.

          • Jeff Pee

            To be honest, it’s the crazy fanboy on both sides of this “console war”. I only own a PS4… but I definitely appreciate the titles that are on the X-1. I the X-1 currently has a better library of AAA titles.

          • Redinferno124

            I know I get that, but being an open PS fan is just inviting hate these days. Not even Phil Spencer could tame the fanboys.

          • Bankai

            I agree with what you’re saying, except for one part; The AAA libraries for each system is more or less equal – This is coming from a PS fan.

          • Redinferno124

            Don’t say that out loud or else you will get a Titan dropped on you lol.

          • Bankai

            I already did… while playing Starhawk.

          • Preston queener

            I completely agree with you. I love playstation it’s just the fact that I grew up with it from ps1 to ps4. I may not like xbox but that doesn’t mean I talk garbage about it. It’s a good console just not for me. I wish people would cut this overly obsessive fanboyism an just enjoy playing games.

          • Redinferno124

            Fat chance with Titanfall out. Prepare for Titanfall or get death threats is the current trend.

          • neko working

            Titan vs Gundam :p
            bring it on, jk

          • Redinferno124

            If only were that lucky

        • Bankai

          Yeah, I’ve noticed that after the PS3, PlayStation fans get more hate than fans of the other 2 systems. You shouldn’t let it get to you, though, because that means they win.

          • Redinferno124

            I really think dual shockers should just stop allowing comments on all articles. It’s unfortunate but people just don’t know how to have civil conversations anymore.

        • Brian

          >Oh no he’s not worshipping Sony!
          >He must be an xbox fanboy!
          How to spot a butthurt fanboy in 5 seconds.

          • Redinferno124

            I’m not butt hurt. I’m just aggravated at the stupidity of some of these comments. I thought I’d seen everything on that amazon reviews article yesterday.

      • Redinferno124

        Rob Real is a troll, his history shows this is the only article he’s commented on.

    • Ritsujun

      Why didn’t you go to hospital to fix your eyes?

    • Michael Norris

      I don’t see the downgrade all i see is different lighting,Look at the E3 pictures look how delson has a weird shadow around his eyes…looks weird as well.Most of the pictures look like that.

    • Gannicus

      I don’t think there is a downgrade I think the models don’t look good from the start. They need lighting to artificially increase there detail which doesn’t say a lot tbh

  • generic-user-name a.k.a GUN

    That settles it, nothing has changed except for the time of day. When the time of day hits noon again like it did in the e3 demo it will look that way once again.

    http://gamemoir.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/scn5yog.gif

    • Eden’s Cross

      Notice how the car does not cast a shadow that reacts to a sudden bright light source.

      • Redinferno124

        Are you really bitching about the car not casting a shadow after he just shot a fireball and blew up a f**king car.

        • Eden’s Cross

          This is a pretty good example of how people react
          “Dude did you see that explosion, why’re you looking at the pre-baked lighting and not the epic explosion.”

          • Redinferno124

            Hey man I go to college because I want to do this shit for a living.

            Don’t give me shit just because I still remember how to enjoy video games. You have clearly forgotten how to.

            If your just gonna tell me how intellectually inferior I am compared to you just because I don’t nitpick every little minor detail that most aren’t looking at, this discussion is over.

            You won’t be making it far with that shitty attitude of yours

          • Eden’s Cross

            You have no idea what games I play, how long I play them, or how much I enjoy them. Congratulations on making assumptions about how much I play games due to the constructive criticisms I have with games that i’m excited about. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCaXycaYDhQ

          • Redinferno124

            Your history is private so how would I have any idea what you play? Sorry that cop out answer doesn’t work for me.

          • Eden’s Cross

            I don’t use disqus often and your opinion is still invalid concerning my gaming habits.

          • Richard Attila

            Do you play the game dude!!!I you are talking shit….play than game and than comment,besides this game look amazing.

      • http://About.me/StbxYou Stb Hernández

        You are sure one hell of a graphical tool.

        • Redinferno124

          no shit right?

        • Eden’s Cross

          This is what I go to school for. Obviously knowing how this tech works and noticing kinks in the shiny next gen armor is something that gamers who spend $400 should do. Including myself. So thank you, for not contributing at all to the discussion.

          • Redinferno124

            I do as well and I have better ways of expressing concerns posting the same nitpicks 10 times over. If your so smart, go talk to Nate Fox at Sucker Punch, he actually loves creative criticism.

          • Eden’s Cross

            http://imgur.com/sdBpCWS Actually I prefer to talk to Jason Connell and Billy Harper.

          • Redinferno124

            @PaulMusings I just read the article. Thanks for the heads up! The reason we changed the time of day was purely a creative reason.— Jason Connell (@artenvelope) March 13, 2014

      • Somebodyissilent

        Saw some live streams on the Ps4. It was amazing and there were shadows.

        • Eden’s Cross

          There are shadows during the day, but at night they become noticeably absent in some places like headlights unless it’s a scripted moment.

          • Somebodyissilent

            Pretty sure I saw them in free roam they just are not dark enough.

          • albatrosMyster

            Not all of them, if you look at the gameplay video, some lights do cast pretty amazing shadows.. however the GPU in the PS4 has its limit, so my guess it they had to limit that to certain lights they considered more visible.

          • Redinferno124

            So this is what people are getting all worked up for. Really overblown.

          • albatrosMyster

            I think it’s xbox one fans that want some kind of “revenge” on percieved downgrades because they never get anything that look as good as what we get on PS4… and well, MS was running all their demos on high end PCs at last year’s E3… so they had tons of actual downgrades and bullshots…

          • Eden’s Cross

            That right there is what i’m talking about. That’s a scripted gameplay moment so obviously they would want to keep that detail out. In the tunnel right before the scene in this screencap delsin can stand in front of a car’s high beams and won’t cast a shadow. But while walking into the tunnel a bus has it’s headlights on and casts a shadow onto the wall. They’re very selective.

          • albatrosMyster

            I see what you mean, but I am trying to understand what your point is… I have yet to see a single game where every light cast a realistic shadow, you boast about some college level education in some field of 3D graphics, then you must know what kind of trade-offs need to be made for real time graphics, you know to happen in real time…

      • generic-user-name a.k.a GUN

        Yes, and? They already said different times of day will use different types of lighting, that hasn’t changed and isn’t relevant to this discussion. It has become clear that you’ll just try to find anything to criticise about this game even when proved wrong.

    • Trim Dose

      well that look amazing!, good thing I actually have a PS4 and I will enjoy this game, not like those pervs that like to hate on other consoles and play Titanfart all day.

  • jacksjus

    For all of you that seem disappointed now. Please don’t buy the game. That is the best way to show them that “down grading or pulling the wool” will not be tolerated.
    It’s like when people complain about FPS yet they keep buying the same thing over and over. Who’s winning?

    • Redinferno124

      The only people complaining are those who already hated it to begin with.

  • Bankai

    Crow! Get your hot crow here!

    • Somebodyissilent

      I guess you missed the live streams huh?

      • Bankai

        Sorry, but your guess is incorrect. I saw the latest livestream and the game looked better than in previous previews.

        • Redinferno124

          Expect a reply in a few minutes lol

          • Joseph

            5 hours later OMFGBBQ THE GAME LOOKS DOWNGRADED!!!!1!!!!! jk jk love the look of it and it looks great compared to what the ps3 had to offer……sorry ND I love your UC2 but just sayin’.

          • Somebodyissilent

            Saw some live streams on the Ps4. It was amazing and there were indeed shadows.

        • Somebodyissilent

          Wait was the crow for the xbots?

          • Bankai

            Yeah, I thought that was pretty clear.

          • Somebodyissilent

            Not really. My fault friendly fire.

    • Redinferno124

      They wont, admitting they were wrong would make them unpopular.

    • shinitaru

      Served with fresh humble pie

  • Redinferno124

    This is what it feels like right now:

    • Delsin Row

      ignore them my friend. they didnt see any good exclusive for a long time. one other thing.
      titanfall score 87 in metatric. the last of us score 95 in metatric. there is a long time by now they didnt see a game that score 90 in metatric. LOL

      • Gamez Rule

        Not being funny but Titanfall is at 86% in Metacritic, and Xbone does have a game over 90% in metacritic sitting at 92% ( higher rated than PS4 games ) but that actual game is also on PS4 hence why it’s not an exclusive, but it’s still over 90% scoring. ( Xbone has no exclusives at 90% or over ) while PS4 has Flower at 91%

        • shinitaru

          and why is Rayman Legends a 92 on Xbox and a 90 on the PS4? They are the exact same game on both consoles, should just average it and give them both a 91

          • Gamez Rule

            You tell me, but it’s just how it is. Hence why I also say ( scoring should be taken with a pinch of salt )

          • You are flat out wrong

            The PS4 has more reviews which means there’ll be more mixed reviews which skews the average. A .2 difference is meaningless anyway.

          • shinitaru

            That has never stopped some of the more rabid fanboys. They will be all pointing and prancing, shouting, “see…SEE?!?”

          • You are flat out wrong

            lmao, Ol’ Crappy tried that once. Said that the Xbone version of TR stuttered less which is why it got .3 higher metacritic score. He got humiliated. :o

          • Richard Attila

            The Xbox version running in 62 fps and the Ps4 in 59.5fps,and if you have a 5000 dollar tv you will ses the difference…..

          • albatrosMyster

            Actually, this game is not demanding so it runs the same everything on both! just like on the Wii-U!

            And well, you could not physically have a game run better on the xbox one compared to its PS4 equivalent, unless the dev seriously massacre the PS4 version… and I mean, it like chainsaw massacre style, it’s just not happening.

          • albatrosMyster

            It must be the rumble on all the buttons that explains the difference.

          • shinitaru

            Only if they’re sitting on the controller :P

  • Steph

    If they have to try so hard to explain it’s not a downgrade then there’s are problem

    • Redinferno124

      oh great.

      Just say how much you hate Playstation and move on. comment how “evil” Sucker Punch is.

      How about I say how much I’m looking forward to this game and you explain how much of a loser I am. I’ll wait.

      • Delsin Row

        Redinferno124 @ Didnt you know you should ignore her? dude she is a shemale. everybody in this site ignore her.

    • Giuseppe Nelva

      Now a sentence responding to a direct question is “trying so hard?”

      Interesting take. Nonsensical, but interesting :D

      • Redinferno124

        The answer he was expecting was:

        SP: “Yeah we had to downgraded it because MS is God”.

      • neko working

    • neko working

      I watched yesterday leaks, it has superb graphics and gameplay IMO
      feel free to brainwash yourself.

      • Redinferno124

        Too late

        • neko working

          LOL

      • shinitaru

        I watched most of it, I decided not to spoil it any further but got to the middle of where he was fighting that other smoke conduit. It looked amazing to me and the guy who was playing was constantly saying how great the game look.

        Anyway, not once during the 15-16 or so minutes did I think to myself, “Hey, this doesn’t look as good as it did in the E3 trailer”

    • Eagles83

      I’m going to have to agree to disagree on this. If there was a downgrade I honestly couldn’t see one but that really isn’t the point. I love the Infamous series for the gameplay. The graphics is just a bonus.

    • ManagedCorn

      responding false claims by baby retards like you?
      your breed of retardation spreads so fast, it needs to be addressed these days.

      • someguy

        LMFAOOOOOOOOO “breed if retardation spreads so fast”

    • static5125

      If a person has to try so hard to downplay Infamous: Second Son and The Order: 1886 at every article that mentions those two games, then that person has major problems.

      • You are flat out wrong

        It’s called jealousy and fear.

        • Gannicus

          ill be so jealous of watchdogs on the PS4 when my PC gets super crisp textures and a much higher population density :d

    • ImonadrugcalledCharlieSheen

      Steph, you are a class A idiot, that is all.

    • shinitaru

      how about we all just wait and see

    • Gannicus

      well said, well said… obviously a cover up when there trying to hard to show you “its not”

  • Nicholas Perry

    Of course they deny it. Everyone always denies it. Once it’s out and people can compare footage and screenshots. Then we’ll know the truth.

    • Redinferno124

      yeah label everyone liars because Ubisoft promised the moon with WDs and they it was only half the moon.

      If you intent is to make me want to hate being a gamer is you intent, it’s working.

      This isn’t Aliens Colonial Marines.

    • Redinferno124

      See if more people like you took the time to look at things for more than 5 seconds, Dual Shockers wouldn’t have had to enact that policy.

  • Courtney Strayhan

    Just believe me I have played it and it is amazing cause I just got off of it

    • Redinferno124

      Fat chance convincing anyone. Guys Like Nicholas have already made up their minds.

      • Courtney Strayhan

        One shot from my game

        • Redinferno124

          care to share? you could direct message me on twitter.

        • Redinferno124

          Looks good to me. Thanks for no spoilers.

          • Courtney Strayhan

            No prob and it moves beautifully

        • Gannicus

          is that image compressed cus it looks blurry in places? FXAA for the lose

          • Courtney Strayhan

            Open the picture up full screen dont just view it in the thread

          • Gannicus

            I did do, and the rocks looked blurry to me, the foreground with delsin was fine seemed to me like the further stuff was away the more blurred it seemed

          • Courtney Strayhan

            Well I can assure you one thing you get the game you will be happy

          • Jecht_Sin

            Blurry? I opened it and zoomed it in 8x and it still was all but blurry. Tell your mom to fix an appointment with the oculist, dear. :)

        • Fusion_Pirate

          Well looky here…we’ve got yet another ‘time of day’, with a lovely elongated shadow behind Delsin to reflect the sun’s low position near the horizon. Whodda thunk it? LoL

          • Courtney Strayhan

            Here ya go man enjoy

          • Fusion_Pirate

            Just one week left…

          • Gannicus

            this image seems to be heavily lod scaled and massively blurred in the background, only delsin is sharp absolutely nothing else is, makes me think its defo using dynamic lod scaling, when hes upclose all the detail is there and everything else gets lowered and blurred out and when its a 50/50 the lod on delsin is lowered a bit and the further stuff is away gets scaled down so that the particle effect stay looking good and don’t bog the system down

          • Redinferno124

            I agree, but I will reserve judgement until I see it in motion. Fluidity can’t be measure in a screenshot.

          • Gannicus

            it will be fluid but seeing as everyone is banging on about the gfx you have to take it all into account, cant just say ah its ok cus its fluid. personally I think lod is reduced so the ps4 can fluidly render all the particle effects, the neon stuff looks to be the most heavy of what ive seen so far

          • Redinferno124

            Again I agree with you. My tech lingo is still green so I’m not sure what you mean by gfx. The background blurriness is noticeable. Delsin looks fantastic though.

          • Gannicus

            graphics haha its just shorter way to write it :d

          • Redinferno124

            ah OK. Yeah, if anything, the game is set to deliver on all fronts it seems. By next Friday, hopefully everyone will be too busy playing to be here giving Giuseppe extra work lol.

  • Jordan Jones

    ya guys get off sony’s case about the visuals they would never lie about that…. oh wait

    • Redinferno124

      your funny. About Watch Dogs……..

  • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

    wonder what buttons we have to press to control the lighting. perhaps X, O, left, left, right, right, O, X?

    • Stranger On The Road

      I believe that he was referring to you controlling the protagonist and hence controlling the scene. The lights would be the same in the cut scenes and the gameplay scene; the difference is on who controls the camera.

      • shinitaru

        That’s how I took it too

      • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

        oh right. that’d make more sense.

  • DemonFenton

    It’s odd when Forza 5 got a nice downgrade the Xbox Mafia and giant gaming journalist sites don’t cry foul but Sony makes an mistake even though it’s an tiny tiny 0.05% than the Xbox Mafia and those big journalist sites goes for blood. I call that double standards…

    • Redinferno124

      Sony=Japn

      Microsoft=America

      All you need to know.

      • DemonFenton

        Thanks but to be honest I hate that being put that way. Oh well.

        • Redinferno124

          i know, but I have no other explanation for this level of stupidity

        • shinitaru

          Part of what makes us so beloved by the rest to the world :P

  • Mus1ckFPS

    Xbox fanboys need anything to be downgraded on the ps4 spend all this time on websites complaining when ya not even gaming, go play titanfall or something

    • albatrosMyster

      Even if it was downgraded, it would be above what the xbox one could do, still it could geniunely disapoint some.

      • Gannicus

        you shouldn’t accept that though, cant say oh its still better than the X1 but if its not living up to the hype like watch dogs for example then you shouldn’t accept it. just means ps4 isn’t as powerful as everyone makes it out to be and it isn’t cus if you want to elevate say the particle effects other compromises need to be made

        • Redinferno124

          Watch Dogs was hyped like crazy though. This not as much.

          • Gannicus

            yeah but that’s cus its a different way of doing stuff like controlling an entire city with a phone, not sure if theres anything else like that, that’s bin done. With the information of ppl its like using your phone with augmented reality or good example nokia city lens, seems quite good. Personally from the videos if I was a PS4 owner id be very happy with the way watch dogs looks reminds me of GTA the way the character are modelled, if its even better on PC that’s great. Itll be better gfx and higher population density based on gfx performance obviously. I cant wait for it come out but watchdogs seems like a downgrade in gfx doesn’t mean much, the gameplay looks much better than a lot of stuff releasing

          • Redinferno124

            exactly.

          • albatrosMyster

            So far from what I have seen of Ubi’s output on the PS4 (AC4) … their games look like straight PS3 ports running in 1080p, no fancy lighting etc. (oh yeah, better textures…) compared to Sony’s games they look like they run on different hardware, without even hitting 60fps… pretty bad.

        • albatrosMyster

          Obviously, I’m not sure what you mean by “it’s not as powerful as everyone makes it to be”?

          Nobody said it had unlimited power, if anything MS with their cloud and secret sauce talk claim their comparatively weak machine is limitless… any fixed hardware (evey if you design for the most powerful PC available with 64GB of RAM and 4 of the most powerful video cards) you will have to make some kind of design sacrifice at some point, even if you super optimize everything.

          I have a PS4, and frankly it has not stopped to amaze me, the image quality is pretty great for a 400$ piece of hardware, games like Killzone:SF, BF4, Resogun and Tomb Raider make me want more!

          • Gannicus

            it will be better looking if you come from the ps3 or 360 though. With the Watch Dogs downgrade everyones up in arms… yeah cus the ps4 is not as powerful as they think it is so it had to be downgraded to run well, maybe its partly cus they havnt had the time to optimise it as well as they could do cus there shipping to all platforms I think but even still not enough power, might be to open for it. Die hard sony fanboys make it out like its got unlimited power with look at x1 792p and ps4 1080p 60 fps or 30fps and look at super hyper textures etc. its not that amazing tbh but will be if your upgrading from previous gen console also spitting out tech spec of the console which again aren’t impressive in the grand scheme of things
            Id watch witcher 3 very closely if I was you cus with following trends that maybe downgraded and best to check if the version they show is ps4 or PC if it looks absolutely stunning, itll defo be the PC version.

          • albatrosMyster

            Well comparing to “PC” I have a mid range gaming PC and my PS4 is the stronger gaming machine in my home, sure there are PCs that perform much better, but how much do they cost? Certainly not 400$.. or nowhere near it, even then, the best looking games right now appear on the PS4, Killzone:SF can certainly be compared to Crysis 3 without shame… it does not look like they made too much compromises, and well Infamous, the Order 1886 and the next Uncharted, Driveclub are coming out… all presumably built from the ground up to show off the PS4!

            As for the xbox one, it’s just sad to see MS go and try to hype every little thing about their machine, from the size of the plastic enclosure to the IR blaster in Kinect… if you were to believe them they spent so much time focussing on every little pointless details that they forgot the main feature of the machine was to make games that run well enough, considering the machine was released in late 2013 they should have known that people should expect their games to run in 1080p and often enough at 60FPS ALSO, not just some games are 1080p on it, with decent frame rate… on the XB1 decent frame rate and resolution are the exception, if they are in the same game it’s because it’s very simple (Strider/Forza 5)…

            As for watch_dogs and Witcher 3, both are multi-platform titles, their respective “downgrades” will be on all platform according to their respective strength which means that the xb1 version will have either lower resolution or lower frame rate and as usual a couple less graphical effects, it may very well be a mix of all these aspects… everybody will see it, except the gaming press, these people are blind.

          • Gannicus

            yeah every witcher vid you see will be on a high end pc rig PS4 will look nothing like it and so wont the x1. I think MS did it on purpose cus there trying to include it all and this is prolly there test bed rig. next one will be a lot better I reckon, as long as they ditch the eSRAM. I have a i7 950 12GB ram and 280x so my machine can display anything the consoles could at a better frame rate to. and the base of this machine i.e. the i7 will prolly be faster than the next console either of them do to. Just upgrade the graphics card which I will be doing next year for Star Citizen, will be spending upto £700 though on 1 gfx card either latest NVidia or AMD + a new PSU cus don’t want them frying.

          • albatrosMyster

            A honda civiuc does not go as fast as a ferrari….

          • Gannicus

            it does if the ferrari breaks out of warranty!! :d

          • neko working

            Yep, agreed, i never said PS4 is more powerful than a PC. Why these xbots keep thinking that we worship it like a god or something. Every context in PS4 comparison is definitely “vs Xbox One”.

  • You are flat out wrong

    “Definitely no visual downgrade of graphics since then! We put that
    particular area in sunset instead of sunny time of day so that it
    matches the mood of narrative better.”

    So what Guiseppe, myself and everyone else with their heads screwed on straight was saying.

    Biggest storm in a teacup since launch. Good Lord.

    • Redinferno124

      I know. It’s……very tiring.

    • Redinferno124

      The worst part of this whole thing is some of the guys on here just don’t make any sense. Eden has this weird love hate relationship with this game. He also has a bit of a superiority complex. This whole month is exhausting with all the trolling on everything.

      • Eden’s Cross

        It’s almost like I can objectively criticize some aspects of the game and praise other aspects of the game. Hoo wooda doght tat som1 cann do tat rite gais?

        • Averix

          English followed by gibberish. How odd.

    • Gamez Rule

      No downgrades confirmed ( It’s official ) yet I still think the older settings looked better. Been waiting for this game for so long now so I say bring it on lol.

      • Gannicus

        its not downgraded its just not as good as its made out to be, heavy lod scaling and blurring in some places from some screenies, lod is scaled down across the board so that the ps4 can render the particle effects (powers) without slowdown. it is only $400 so you want something as heavyily GPU taxing as the level of particles there employing in infamous compromises have to be made elsewhere

    • albatrosMyster

      a made up teacup at that!

  • Phil Jones

    All the amazing lighting but no shadows on main character is really jarring visually. It just looks wrong.

  • Dennis Gammaray

    This unlike Watch Dogs was made for next Gen only and it looks amazing and it looks way better now than at E3, so Sony haters go bitch somewhere else where you dont look so stupid

  • Kamille

    where are the shadows then? Because they were clearly visible on the old trailer but disappeared on the present one.

  • RealityCheck2013

    It’s FUNNY how no one says anything about ‘TITanFall’ on the ‘Xbox ONE’ looking just like a ‘Xbox 360′ game?!?! LoL:D

    • Averix

      Which has nothing to do with Infamous. Move along.

  • Jecht_Sin

    I can only say that Giuseppe initially did a disservice posting that awful comparison. But Sucker Punch replied nearly immediately so it is all good. It was pretty evident in any case that it was sunset time. Checking all pictures one could even see the sun near the horizon with long shadows in a couple of them.

    • generic-user-name a.k.a GUN

      People expecting to see shadows on characters faces when the sun is shining into their faces rather than from above :/

    • Masenko

      It was troll-bait, and nothing less IMO

  • BalramRules

    Change of tone is the reason? Really?
    I’m definitely buying this game, in my opinion, it’s the first must-buy next-gen game of this year.
    But, I’m not sold on that excuse, the character shading (face region) was definitely a downgrade, though a minor one, a downgrade nonetheless.

    • generic-user-name a.k.a GUN

      Shine a light directly into your face, then shine a light down from above your face. Notice the difference.

  • somaxd

    Light Changes EV-ER-Y-THING

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnzqy6vGJ4w

  • Edonus

    This is insulting…… we know the ponies cant stop the programming being downloaded but I know what i saw. That game is definitely visually downgraded. I know lighting and I know lighting in gaming 3d graphic space. What we saw in the article showing the differences was more than jut TOD and lighting.

    I normally dont go against devs because I respect their work but I am not going to be lied to, I am not a pony. Treat me like an adult, just say games are prototyped one way and as they optimize and maximize you shape the real product. He is feeding back the a same BS the fanboys were defending the down grade with. Do we really have make info graphics circling and highlighting all the clear changes in order to keep the point made.

    • Redinferno124

      It’s over, nothing has change but lightning.

      People are trying to downplay this game, but can’t back up their claims when presented with proof of the contrary.

      This isn’t a topic worth getting into a frenzy about any further. Trolls had their fun and they were wrong.

      If you can’t accept that, well go play something that interests you.

    • Masenko

      “the ponies”…what? Seriously, you may have more success in getting your point across if you didn’t type like a fanboy. Honestly.

      • Edonus

        Its no sense in being cordial with ponies because they are just going to spin lie and BS anyway.

        My problem is that this shows a blatant disrespect to the intelligence of a non pony. You are going sit here and tell me the veins in the sheriffs hand are gone because of lighting, and the buttons on the jacket look different because of the time of day and that the plaid shirt is not retextured. I still think the game looks good but dont lie too me. They can piss in a cup and make the ponies drink it but I saw you piss in the cup…. no, WE saw you piss in the cup. Its not lemonade its piss no matter how much they get there ponies to stampede disagree and fuss this game took a downgrade.

        I dont need to reason with these ponies, i am not selling anything I am just calling it out.

        • Somebodyissilent

          You still here belly aching kid?

    • You are flat out wrong

      Your rectal anguish over getting ahead of yourself and being humiliated is delicious.

  • Masenko

    I think everybody needs to chill out…especially if you haven’t played it yourself. Regardless; it’ll be interesting to see some of the reviews next week…

  • https://www.facebook.com/TERMINATOR.SSD TERMINATOR-SSD

    no visual downgrade my ass. look at the first gameplay e3 trailer, particles looked better and it HAD dynamic character shadows. New footage has NONE.

    old
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uibnf_Q_51s

    new
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mS4D9Cf5pLg

  • Falcon D. Stormvoice

    Notice the difference between the way Sucker Punch handles this and the way Ubisoft handled it.

    Sucker Punch provides facts, Ubisoft says “uh, well, that was a, uh, movie experience and… well, obviously not everyone can have that… um, gotta go.”

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