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PS4: Support for PS1 and PS2 Titles with Native 1080p, VR Demos and More Coming According to Insider

by on March 25, 2014 1:46 AM 107

E3 is approaching fast, and according to industry insider Ahsan Rasheed, that is normally quite accurate with the information his sources give him, Sony has a lot of interesting things in the pipeline, as he said today on Twitter.

Be excited: 1. Local PS2 / PS1 support on PS4 w/ native 1080p rendering for select titles. 2. Bluray+Media Player updates

3. VR demos from at future events 4. PS4 exclusive game stuff 5. PlayStation Now launch

Number 1 I’ve known for a good minute, but software is still buggy and not every game works. Please be excited.

Ahsan continued by giving more details on what’s going on behind the scenes with the Project Morpheus virtual reality headset:

Devs I’m talking to really want to try Morpheus. Community feels like it is the best way to introduce VR to mainstream consumers.

Oh and Sony has opened the floodgates asking for open criticism from third parties on Morpheus and what they want to see in a final product.

If you are interested in how Sony is approaching Morpheus, they are designing it similar to PS4 and Dualshock 4. Taking developer feedback.

If proven true, a few of those elements would probably raise the excitement level for the console between those that have asked for some form of backwards compatibility. As for the design of Morpheus, I’m not surprised: Sony has learned that developer feedback is incredibly important for development, and seems to be putting that notion to good use like it did with the PS4 itself.

Of course we should take all of this with a pinch of salt, considering that there has been no official announcement from Sony itself, but we can only hope that Ahsan’s sources are accurate. There are quite a few PlayStation and PS2 games I’d love to play on my PS4.

If you’re wondering if it’s possible for older titles to be rendered in 1080p, it definitely is. PC Emulators for both consoles (and for the PSP as well) already support that feature and it works wonders, so it isn’t that incredible that the PS4 would be able to do the same with the right software. Its architecture is not that different from that of a gaming PC, after all.

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  • MedBottle

    Crash Bandicoot!

  • Matt Dickinson

    Great news!

  • Demetre HG

    Lmfao pathetic bahaha phonies

    • superkarma

      Shouldn’t you be playing Titanfail?

    • datdude

      Sony ponies > Microsofties. Dat bone can’t get it up. Case closed.

  • Jerry Hu

    Awesome

  • http://www.psthc.fr ExTrooperBrenTurner

    Looking forward to it. :)

  • Thinkaboutit

    Well…. looks like ill be owning both consoles. I love me some ps classics.

  • PhantomVash808
    • Sobekflakmonkey

      hahahahaahaha I did, I did read it in his voice.

      • Cody

        As did I hahah

  • Teddy Van Trance

    Tourist Trophy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Samba Mirage

      Yes please – I’d kill for TT in 1080P!

  • http://www.twitch.tv/MC_A_DOT A DOT ASANTE

    If this turns out to be true…..OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jecht_Sin

    The PS1/PS2 emulator in full HD should not have gigantic issues to solve for it to become real. Add the ability to read my own discs and the trophy support (which must be implemented for each single game, though) and I will be a very happy camper!

  • Yisa Yussuf

    so it will read ps2/1 discs? or will have ps2/1 emulator??? Free libary of games?

    • GameonAll

      More likely they will do this via Playstation now which is in private BETA now

      • cell989

        which is awesome, youd be surprised how good PSNOW works I have a 10mbs connection and it plays perfectly

        • shinitaru

          I can’t wait to try it out on my nifty new 50Mbps connection :)

          • Gamez Rule

            I shouldn’t have any worries as I used to use Gaikai all the time before Sony bought it.

          • shinitaru

            Yeah, I don’t get that kind of speed but have the fastest available in my area. I can run Onlive without issue

          • Gamez Rule

            Only time my speeds drop like a bomb is when I try wireless as I have so many things that interfere with it.

        • Russell Gorall

          I’m not sure being able to pay again to play games you own is “awesome”.

          • sampson3121

            it’s for the games you already own, why would they remake these games again? they want to sell ps4′s..and by doing that they sell more games , subscriptions, hardware…smart, they are so smart.

      • sampson3121

        that’s old news, they are talking about an emulator for cd’s

    • albatrosMyster

      This is the portion that is not clear, will it let us simply put in the disks in the PS4 and run the games we have.. or be offered as a tool for devs to re-sell their existing library as “remastered” versions.

      I sincerely hope you are right and that we will just be able to run our existing games.

  • stealth20k

    I doubt the backwards compatibility

    • r34p3r

      I’ve read this rumor a few times now in various places, so I’m remaining hopeful. EIther way, I still have my old systems hooked up in different places throughout my house, so the PS3 / PS4 not playing old games isn’t a huge disappointment for me.

  • Placebo

    Apparently the Morpheus build they’re showing is very early, can’t even move your head when wearing it! Someone I know was watching the shark demo and naturally moved their head when a shark came towards them and the guy presenting it kept freaking out “no you can’t move your head!” :)

    • Jecht_Sin

      It has been stated that you can turn your head 360 degrees with Morpheus..

      • Placebo

        Eventually maybe but not with the builds they’re currently showing :)

      • extermin8or2

        “Can turn your head 360 degree’s” … didn’t know they were making an owl friendly version…..

    • Ryan_oprainfall

      There are plenty of videos online of members of the press moving their heads aplenty during the shark demo. I’d suggest maybe not trusting everything your friend says from here on out, or maybe just stop repeating it as fact.

      • Placebo

        No reason to doubt what he says, and yes I’ve also seen press reports not mentioning such issues, so no idea why it was the case in this instance.

        • DrPhilter

          I’ve read comparisons to O.R. stating that the Sony VR has a BETTER range of motion.

          • Placebo

            I’ll be first in line to buy one if it stacks up to the promises the tech offers, first step to home holodecks!

    • albatrosMyster

      I seriously doubt they would have showed the device if it was just like their existing 3D headsets… they had to show something that could compete with the Rift without being completely outclassed… and it’s not as if motion sensors were tech from a few weeks ago, 3D graphics are not new either and they do not even have to worry about the sound, since it’s not built-in (which is great, Sony sucks at anything audio).

      • http://www.vgbetas.com/ Pace

        3D surround sound audio is built in according to the specs.

        • albatrosMyster

          For some reason every single Sony brand speakers, headsets, boom boxes… they always sounded flat compared to others in the same price range, built to specs or no.

          No all 3D surround equipment is equal, even the dolby/thx certified ones.

    • Bankai

      Was your friend super stoned at the time? Because you can move your head while wearing the Morpheus.

      • Placebo

        Sounds like he must have been!

    • PCS4-Box U

      Dude, I’ve seen videos of people moving their heads… it worked just fine. Heres a video of it.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ANgyuzTPOFc

      • Placebo

        Very weird, but glad it works as promised! :)

    • Somebodyissilent

      Who told you this lie?

  • albatrosMyster

    Note that there was a PS1 emulator on the Dreamcast that would let you run PS1 games in higher resolution (that was 640*480 back then) with texture filtering, just like what Sony is proposing (not full 1080p, there was no HD back then, but it has most of the benefits).

    • sampson3121

      i loved that machine, Dreamcast…rest in peace. :(

  • PrinceHeir

    Backwards compatibility?? :D

    Though why would you want to render a PS1 game in 1080p?? Unless it’s one of those emulators where it sharpens the resolution, but it’s still look like a PS1 polygon(only clearer)

    Can’t wait for this!!

    • Jecht_Sin

      Just for the fun of it I dug how Crash Bandicoot would look in full HD (click for max resolution). Enjoy!

      http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/f-gsmKOw2YM/maxresdefault.jpg

      • shinitaru

        ePSXe does something similar on the PC. Like this, it doesn’t make the games look like new games but it does smooth everything out and saturate the color. Definitely look a lot better than running it as is

        • Jecht_Sin

          Yeah, I think that is a screenshot taken from a PSOne emulator on PC. I just googled for some pictures and I picked up this one.

    • mokalovesoulmate

      Vector data would be sharper. But bitmaps (textures) are not…CMIIW

    • KahRiss

      Because it would sharpen the image, it’s all about clearness, have you ever hooked your PS1 or PS2 up to a HD TV and played a game? It looks horrible.

  • PCS4-Box U

    I don’t need the whole library Sony… just Timesplitters. Make it happen.

    • extermin8or2

      Well the fan made, crytek endorsed remake of multiplayer components in cry engine 3 is coming to ps4 :)

      • PCS4-Box U

        I heard that but i remain skeptical… My hopes for more Timesplitters has been pissed on more times than my hopes for a decent Alien game.

        • PCS4-Box U

          I should add that I really, really hope thats true.

  • Jessenia Lopez

    Really? yes! i feel wet down there

    • S Pam

      Quiero

    • James Wood

      <— has a PS4 and I can probably steal a devkit from someone
      .

      • shinitaru

        Ha-ha. Be sure to check the plumbing ;)

        • James Wood

          Wait, the VR headset comes with plumbing also?
          “Maam, baaffroom, Baafroom!”

    • Wargreymon559 .

      lol….

    • seedaripper1973

      Cooooor!

  • Trioptical

    Cool. Is this another case of that rumor about native BC or is this coming from the same source as before? If it’s a different source, it just got that much more believeable.

  • datdude

    The PS4. Endless forms most beautiful.

  • Yisa Yussuf

    I dunno about this….. Unless there is a one off low fee for the full library of PS2/PS1 games.. really low fee, or it is included in PS+, I will not pay for individual games… nor will i pay to rent them. PS3 games are different because they are still current and hold some weight. I wouldnt mind paying a monthly sub to catch some PS3 games i missed like dark souls 2 and south park stick of truth, GTA and TLOU of course. I wouldn’t be itching to play PS1/2 games when infamous is just so god damn pretty. For nostalgia yeah.. but after 10 mins of spyro i cant see me turning it on again

  • http://photovoltaik.bandcamp.com/ Ujn Hunter

    Fick yes! Hopefully the PS4 will support my PS Memory Card Adapter so I can transfer my Game Saves to my PS4 like I could with my PS3. Whoop!

  • DemonFenton

    As an bonus add trophy support and we’re going to see some new and exciting things. Still solid rumor if it’s true with PS 1 and PS 2 disc playback.

    • shinitaru

      ah, man. Trophies would be tough to deliver, would require specific effort for each game whereas emulation and enhancement of the game would be a simple function of the emulator and hardware

      • DemonFenton

        Yes it would be tough. The thing is that the PS3 had zero trophy support and they patched it in. Sony would have to review each game and get it trophy support. Trophies or not we’re getting emulation for the PS 1 and PS 2 for the PS 4 and all we need is an disc instead of downloading it.

  • Steven Solidarios

    This is what Microsoft fails to understand: Playstation actually has games that are good enough to warrant the reason for backwards compatibility. PS1, PS2, and now PS3. With native support for the older systems, Playstation Now coming in the summer, and over one hundred games in development for PS4, Microsoft is going to have one hell of a time competing with the giant Playstation library!

    • Jessie Bristol

      There are tons of great exclusives on Xbox 360 and Xbox.

      • Steven Solidarios

        Yeah? How many? Halo, Gears of War, Fable, Forza? How many sequels defined and grew that genre for those titles? Microsoft can’t even count what system they’re on. Sony is a whole generation ahead as far as gaming libraries go. Sorry, when I think nostalgic, I don’t think Microsoft.

        • Im_a_Realist

          Right, you think Nintendo…

          • extermin8or2

            depends on your age I guess… for console gaming I think Sony, handheld nostalgic then yeah I think of my gba back when I was like 7 or 8…… games my mobile phone +emulator now handle :p

          • Steven Solidarios

            Nintendo has some great games as well, but they seem to have stuck with the child friendly image that sits well with parents. I guess that stems from bringing originally a toy company.

          • sampson3121

            shit i think Atari and Colecovision…getting old.

        • nerdbasher

          Alan Wake, Crackdown 1+2, Left 4 Dead 1+2, Witcher 2, Blue Dragon, Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey, do arcade games count too?

          This is nice news for Sony if it pans out, but troll less and keep it in your pants.

          • Steven Solidarios

            Alan Wake, Crackdown, LFD, Witcher are all on PC. Hardly exclusives. Not trolling as I have owned every game system since Colecovision. Even Xbox, and 3 360′s.

          • nerdbasher

            A console isn’t a PC. The architecture is getting close, but there’s a reason why people consider them separate platforms, therefore if something is just on Xbox and not on PSX and yet on PC, it’s still considered an exclusive. Not everybody can afford a gaming rig which is why this exclusivity still makes all the difference.

            Also I didn’t even mention Mass Effect which was exclusive for about 5 years.

      • http://Xcite79.1up.com/ Keegs79

        There are some great exclusives but outside Forza, Fable (not me), Halo, Gears, Shadow Complex, and Alan Wake there isn’t many.

    • Harrison

      If this winds up to be true, just one more reason for me to get the PS4 long before I even bother with an Xbox One.

  • Gamez Rule

    Due to the PS-NOW PS1, PS2 games are now in 1080p on the PS4 IMO is forward compatibility rather than backward compatibility. “forward compatibility if older product versions can receive, read, view, play or execute the new standard.”

    Wonder if a new age of gaming is about to raise it’s head☺

  • 9li8

    Does this imply disc-based or for digital titles only?

  • Fango

    seriously? this automatically trumps having titanfall 2 on ps4. sooo many good ps1 and ps2 games i’d love to replay in HD

  • Russell Gorall

    This literally says nothing.

  • Jessie Bristol

    Why would only “select titles” have the ability to render in 1080p native? You can already do this on PC with a mediocre CPU and GPU with PS1/PS2 games. If you still have PS1 or PS2 games just load the disc with the PCSX emulator. You can run all your PS1 and PS2 games at native 1080p60.

    (Note: I am not promoting the downloading of ROMS with this post, just saying the capacity to do this already exists.)

    • shinitaru

      Actually, ePSXe and PCSX2 aren’t completely compatible with every game either. There are lots of games that they wont run

      • Jessie Bristol

        The games that I have tested it with works great. Final Fantasy X looks great, PCSX2 1.2.0 (r5864) has a pretty long compatibility list.

        What I am implying is, the PS4 is more then powerful enough to run PS1 and PS2 games in native 1080p (assuming an emulator is required to run them locally on PS4).

        • shinitaru

          Oh yeah, I agree, the ones that it is compatible with work great but not all are. I think that he’s saying that select games will be supported by the emulator and will have to be approved by Sony and the original copywrite holder. I think that all that are will automatically be enhanced and upscaled but the emulator

    • DemonFenton

      Two things and I’ll list em:

      1) Compatibility.
      2) Royalties certain companies don’t want to pay.

      There’s been cases on the PS 2 where PS 1 game like the FF 5/FF 6 collection would not work well to an MK game were it didn’t work. That would be an Compatibility issue.

      The other case is royalties from voice actors. An excellent example of this is the Mega Man Legends games including the Tron Bonne one. Capcom didn’t want to pay the voice actor and actress in royalties so they never put it on the PSN and yes those game were fun back in the day. So it’s either option 1 or option 2 depending on the game. You can say an third option the company making the games in the day is dead but I’d see 1 and 2 more in line of emulation.

    • jamurjamban

      most of people have a PC, especially people who have $399 console in their room. so stop compare with PC every time there’s good news on console, geez.

  • Marcus

    Has me pumped up. I think the only reason why the first real update is taking so long, is because it will be huge. Looking good Sony.

  • Steven Solidarios

    Battle Arena Toshinden http://i.imgur.com/F3SQT8r.gif

    • Wargreymon559 .

      Legend Of Dragoon or GTFO

  • gradius6

    AHHHHHH no ps3 b/c in hermies voice good googa-mooga.

  • http://www.blackxino.blogspot.com/ Xino

    all i am asking for is MK Shaolin Monks!

  • Nicholas Perry

    The real question is if they don’t let us use our own games what’s the god damn point?

    Why can’t they let us use our own games AND sell us stuff digitally over PSN? (Like with PS1 games on PS3 ) Just look at the pitiful selection North America got over the course of 7 years. It’s crap compared to the likes of Japan.

    • Harrison

      Because they want our money. Old games that you still have from yesteryear aren’t about to make it for them. Even Nintendo has gotten into the act to some extent, you’ll notice that the WiiU is only BW compatible with the original Wii games. The Wii was BW compatible will all previous Nintendo games except the cartridge ones.

  • Dirkster_Dude

    I might want to play PS3 games, but PS1 and PS2 games are too old. It isn’t just the graphics it’s about the way the games were made and how games have evolved from where they were years ago to now. So while this is an interesting story it is largely irrelevant as I doubt there is many games people still want to play that were originally on the PS1 and PS2 compared to the PS3 library.

  • mikedo2007

    Add PS3 backward compatibility on there, and you got yourself a deal Sony.

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