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Microsoft Explains why the Xbox One’s ESRAM is a “Huge Win” and Allows Reaching 1080p/60 FPS

by on April 4, 2014 3:25 PM 841

During a livestreamed presentation at Build, Xbox One Team Partner Development Lead Frank Savage explained in detail how the much discussed ESRAM of the Xbox One works, also mentioning that it can help developer sreach the fabled 1080p resolution goal or a 60 frames per second resolution with their games:

ESRAM is dedicated RAM, it’s 32 megabytes, it sits right next to the GPU, in fact it’s on the other side of the GPU from the buses that talk to the rest of the system, so the GPU is the only thing that can see this memory.

And what it does is that it gives you very very high bandwidth output, and read capability from the GPU as well. This is useful because in a lot of cases, especially when we have as large content as we have today and five gigabytes that could potentially be touched to render something, anything that we can move to memory that has a bandwidth that’s on the order of 2 to 10 x faster than the regular system memory is gonna be a huge win.

So this is where you put things that you gonna read a lot like a shadow map, put things that you draw to a lot, like your back buffer… We have resource creation settings that allow you to put things into there, and don’t have to all reside in the ESRAM, there can be pieces of it that can reside in regular memory as well. So for example if I’m a racing game, and I know that the top third of my screen is usually sky and that sky doesn’t get touched very much, great, let’s leave that in regular memory, but with the fast memory down here we’re gonna draw the cars. This works practically for any D3D resource there is, buffers, textures of any flavors… There’s no CPU access here, because the CPU can’t see it, and it’s gotta get through the GPU to get to it, and we didn’t enable that.

So the last thing you have to do to get it all composited up is to get it copied over to main memory. That copy over to main memory is really fatst, and it doesn’t use any CPU or GPU time either, because we have DNA engines that actually do that for you in the console. This is how you get to 1080p, this is how you run at 60 frames per second… period, if you’re bottlenecked by graphics.

Savage’s explanation was definitely intriguing, especially with some developers encountering initial difficulties in using the ESRAM effectively. It’ll probably take some time for them to master its capabilities to their full extent, but it’ll be very interesting to see where what they’ll be able to do with those apparently tiny 32 megabytes that can potentially achieve a lot more than what their size suggests.

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  • Delsin Row

    bullshit. absolutly bullshit. like director of the 343 industeries said , if you can use all of the ESRAM power , the diffrence betwen ps4 and xbox one could be 20 percent. dont listen to these liars.

    • oGMo

      When you’ve only got one toy in your box, it’s magically better than everyone else’s.

    • GK15

      How is it BS tho? How are they liars? This is MS explaining their tech at their conference. What’s the problem?

      • oGMo

        It’s not a literal lie. It’s just not a very useful truth. Rather, they’re telling how you could use it in some specific cases, which don’t really translate generally like they’re trying to imply.

      • jaskdavis

        Sup GK15! lol

        • GK15

          Sup dude! Check this out:

          http://www.neowin.net/news/directx-12-a-game-changer-for-xbox-one

          Disclosure: I’m fully aware that I may receive a lot of hateful posts by angry fanboys

          • Xtreme Derp

            LOL that article is so hilariously wrong and stupid, no wonder you would immediately latch on to it.

            “twice as powerful GPU” LOL!! Please tell me you don’t really believe that, you’re not really that stupid, right? Oh wait, you are.

          • GK15

            It seems like I’ve got myself a stalker. You’ve ventured out of 13 yr old troll and into creepy ex girlfriend territory.
            Troll on

      • Scott Lindsey

        They’re talking about it like it’s a big deal, but wtf? One system has 32mb of fast RAM, another has 8GB of fast RAM.

        They just don’t talk about that. They imply that ESRAM is some kind of breakthrough, but it seems like at best it can offset the slow DDR3 that the system is saddled with.

        • corvusmd

          Well I am not a developer, but the 8gb of “fast ram” is nowhere close to as fast as the 32mb of “fast Ram” nor are they used for the same thing….that and the 8gb of ‘”fast ram” on one system isn’t that much faster than the system with “slow ram” (that has the added benefit of the 32mb of “fast ram”)

          • such.wow

            The GDDR5 in the PS4 is faster than the 32MB eSRAM in the Xbox One.
            And there is 8GBs of it, not a tiny 32MB.

          • QuazL

            Very Wrong!
            DDR5 upper limit is 176Gbps.
            eSRAM is 204 plus the 68 to the DDR3.
            These are all upper limits and neither machine can reach their upperlimits.

          • such.wow

            No such thing as DDR5, so WRONG!
            It’s only 32mb (and it’s 109GBs, your 204 doesn’t make sense).
            The actual speed the PS4s GDDR5 runs at is around 172GBs.

          • Jordan

            Actually the debate is pretty pointless. Because from tech spec standpoint, no matter how one try or wanna twist it is pretty much a fact already that PS4 does indeed has more raw power overall when compared to X1. The main question is by how much. There has been a lot of numbers floating on the internet but then again many are just theories. Regardless PS4 is definitely still a slightly more powerful machine no matter who comes out here to talk about this ESRAM thing or compare to GDDR5 or what so ever.Memory bandwidth is not the only factor for 1080p/60fps. I mean seriously you dont need to understand rocket science to understand this logic. There are many factors that comes into play. And every each component has to go hand in hand to hit the target. It really does not matter how good ESRAM can be or how does DMA in X1 works or how fast and how much bandwidth does GDDR5 has. Because it can still be bottomneck in other area. 1 example here is the GPU. Let us here assume GPU being a bodyframe of a vehicle and the RAM being the engine inside the vehicle. So if you have a very fast engine but you put inside a car with a bodyframe that is as boxy as a bus. Seriously you think that car still can run fast as it could? To have a fast car on track. You cant just depend on the car engine. Neither with only the bodyframe of the car, the tires or the driver (which it can represent the dev). Each of them works hand in hand. And it is the same thing here when we look at the consoles. So end of the day it is still the games that matters. Because even if PS4 is a tad more power, but if you dont have a “good driver” driving it, the possibilities and potential can never be seen. On the other hand even if the car may only be a fairly fast 1, but they have very “good driver” in it, miracles can happen. But even with miracles the car can still only go as fast as it can possibly go and not beyond what is can. I hope this example is good enough to give a better picture. Before you think I am siding X1. No I personally favor PS4 over X1. In fact I dont even have X1 and so far I have no intention to get 1 as of yet while I do have a PS4. My whole point here is just enjoy the games you enjoy rather than wasting time into all these debates. Especially with blind fanboys which end up may turn yourself into 1 which is pointless. If they really being so ignorant to think ESRAM alone is magic let them be. Why make yourself look stupid with stupid people? :P

          • such.wow

            I agree with you :) Would’ve been nice to have a TL;DR version though :P

          • oGMo

            You mean “slightly wrong, it’s a little faster, but it doesn’t really matter, because it’s so limited you’re always going to be waiting on main memory access anyway, except in a few special circumstances where you can actually do something with 32MB”.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Wrong.

          • corvusmd

            Ahh got your point…I mistyped…I mean WITH the ESRAM… it’s faster

          • such.wow

            The eSRAM is the only fast thing, the DDR3 is slow (109GBs and 68GBs(?) for DDR3).

          • corvusmd

            True,….so….Neither system even uses it’s full 8gbs, so these numbers we are throwing around mean less and less…both RAMs lose numbers when we get to the real allocated RAM…however ESRAM loses nothng

          • such.wow

            172GBs for the GDDR5 in the PS4 (theoretical 176 max). eSRAM might’ve been a good idea if it wasn’t 32MB.

          • corvusmd

            Why? You do realize that using tiled resources that 32mb of ESRAM can control what would take RAM 6gb when doing textures right?

            http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/x1-esram-directx-11-2-from-32mb-to-6gb-worth-of-textures.453263349/

            Yeah I realize it’s a post to a board, but I like the quick explanation, and then all the sources are there.

          • such.wow

            Oh I didn’t realise you were from the MisterXMedia fanclub, I apologise, yes, all games will be 1080p/60fps on the Xbox One, the stacked and dGPU will come into effect next year and Sony will be crying because the Xbox One is a 12TF monster.

          • corvusmd

            What?
            No I hate MisterX and all those “insiders” why would linking a report to ACTUAL MS devs make you try and cry like a little baby?

          • corvusmd

            I see I’ve clearly killed all your “arguments” because you’ve started lying about what I’m saying to try and make me look stupid…too bad you’re wrong.

          • such.wow

            Nope, you are. but it’s OK, the Xbox One will improve, but it’s not going to turn into some 1080p/60fps machine any time soon. What will improve is the CPU usage like what Mantle is doing, but don’t expect miracles.

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            Microsoft Said it was never a race as well.
            We never wanted all release games at 1080p anyway.
            We only wanted one (Forza 5) too show it can do 1080p 60fps,
            But multiplatform we didn’t need them at that or ask for it.
            But In 2017 we will ask for all games to be full 1080p 60fps.
            This is when true system “unlocking” happens

          • such.wow

            When the gen is over?

          • Xtreme Derp

            Unless MS was massively incompetent, Xbox One already has low level API that cuts down on CPU overhead. That’s what the whole “mono” thing was about.

          • corvusmd

            You are right about one thing however….despite having a PS4 of my own….I do see PS4 fanboys crying in a year or so because they have so desperately sold their soul to Sony and even online to strangers….refuse to admit they were wrong and should have only been concerned with games from the beginning. It’s already starting…XB1 is working hard and doing nothing but improving, they seem to be hungry for exclusive games and are heading in the right direction…PS4 however seems stagnant….games keep getting delayed and cancelled…promised features the same, and those exclusives that have released are met with mediocre scores (except by diehard Sony fanboys that give them 10′s before release). Infamous is the only playable exclusive on PS4, and even then it’s an 8.5 at best if we are being honest…..the game scene is changing already and the last thing will be Sony fanboys admitting they were wrong. Don’t sell your PS4, but don’t swear by it either…follow games, not a brandname

          • such.wow

            Are you really thinking the Xbox One is the more powerful machine? Like, seriously? And yeah I would rate inFAMOUS SS at about an 8.5, absolutely stunning game, but not the longest of games. Only one game has been delayed, that’s DriveClub, I really don’t think you have a PS4 from your comments, you seem to dislike it.

          • corvusmd

            I have one, I’ve had every PS. I like it, but I admit it’s not as amazing as many wish to believe. What I don’t like is her fanboys that have lost sight of what being a gamer is….PS4 is NOT that much better of a machine (even if you believe it is better at all). Sony did build the stronger machine as far as hardware is concerned…no doubt, but they aren’t doing anything impressive with it….so what does it matter? The more powerful hardware…even in it’s biggest differences (COD/MGS) hasn’t proven to make enough difference int he end result///so all the chest beating just looks pathetic…esp since the exclusives are all bland…and the only ones on the radar are getting pushed back and have the same preview criticisms (“they look great but have very little appeal”…talking about Drive Club, Deep Down, and Order. ) Then for me personally the only other heavy hitters in their catalog are Uncharted and Last of US. Both are good, but heavily over-rated. Last of Us had a great story till the disappointing end, had no replay value, and the gameplay was pretty much just walking from cutscene to cutscene. The voice acting was great, but it was another 8.5 game (still great, but not as great as many wish to believe)…so the next one will probably be the same…not a system seller IMO, there are tons of other games that do the same thing. Uncharted has always looked great, but after the second one it just lost all appeal IMO. Both of these games are pretty much outdone by the latest Tombraider (DEFINITELY as far as gameplay is concerned …Last of Us beats it in story)

          • Xtreme Derp

            Same old delusional, constantly wrong misterxcultist doomsday prophecies. Just wait for X date, you’ll be sorry! LOL

            Sorry, you’re wrong, you’ll always be wrong. PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance, end of story.

          • Yo Mama

            So funny to read this. It sounds like it could have been written 8 years ago by a PS3 fan. Yet, we were chided and made fun of because games looked a tiny bit better on the 360. Even though they were both 720. But now that PS4 games are 1080p and Xbone games are 720, it’s now ok for you to spout the same argument? But how’s it feel? Your tears taste amazing.

          • Xtreme Derp

            PS3 was more powerful but much harder to code for.
            PS4 is both more powerful AND easier to code for. No contest.

          • islan

            Wow, did you go from intellectual conversation to fanboy doomsday prognostications in record time.

          • such.wow

            Meltdown mode :P

          • Ippoletta

            This is a long read, well.. not that long. for sony fanboys longing for that PS2 domination, that will never happen, ever again.

            So you mean like sony fanboys melting down when they saw that cloud demonstration from build yesterday? why the hell are you people sticking your noses in Xbox’s business anyways? you guys are so scared and frantic, trying to downplay everything Microsoft says. i mean literally every damn gaming site or news article, there you SDF, wannabe technicians and engineers are, giving input nobody gives a damn about. and bringing up your PS4′s because you’re all that damn pathetic.

            don’t worry, if i were a sony fan i would be insecure as well, you’re all going to get your butts handed to you by Microsoft, you know? the richer company, who spent 10 billion on their cloud servers and custom tech inside their Xbox One and much, much more. some of the smart sony fans know this and all they can do is lash out. some have already sold their PS4′s. sony’s resolution brainwash among other things are slowly dwindling down as people get the new Xbox One SDK’s.

            you’re all dumb as f**k if you really think Microsoft is really going to let sony have this gen. you’re all completely f***ing insane. Microsoft is usually 1 or 2 steps ahead so i’m amazed people think sony has won anything. it’s only been 4 months.

            Microsoft’s tactic/strategy is genius and dumb at the same time. letting you morons (SDF) and the company you sold your souls to (sony) think you’ve won something. and then when the time is right bam!!. bring out the big guns and crap on every single one of you. i hope to god that Xbox fanboys show no mercy. i hope they torture you sony pricks to no end with Meme’s when people finally see that the Xbox One was the true next gen console all along. i hope they burn paid sony sites like N4G and Neogaf down.

            some of you will quit gaming or switch to PC, some of you will dare to try to jump ship to Xbox, but id just tell you losers to stay the hell where you are and sink with your master sony, so good luck with that. and some of you will run and hide. i pity you guys i really do.

            TL:DR: heed what people say because you’re all going to be biting your tongues in the near future and that’s the simple truth.

          • You are flat out wrong

            Stop crying, Penello. You’ll be sacked soon for being a massive gimp and then you can have a clean break. :)

          • Xtreme Derp

            Same old delusional, constantly wrong misterxcultist doomsday prophecies. Just wait for X date, you’ll be sorry! LOL That’s quite the misterxturd meltdown you’re having there.

            Sorry, you’re wrong, you’ll always be wrong. PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance, end of story.

            PS4 is outselling Xbox almost 2:1 globally, keep crying about it.

          • Xtreme Derp

            They meltdown easily at the fact that PS4′s hardware is more powerful and it’s outselling almost Xbox 2:1 globally.

          • Xtreme Derp

            LOL. Mental illness right there. Same old delusional, constantly wrong misterxcultist doomsday prophecies. Just wait for X date, you’ll be sorry! LOL

            Sorry, you’re wrong, you’ll always be wrong. PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance, end of story.

            PS4 is both far more powerful in hardware and is outselling Xbox almost 2:1 globally.

          • Mitro Nzongo

            dude your so dumb all your responds to someone bringing facts is misterxmedia, its apparent that you have no idea how this works you’re just copy/pasting.

          • such.wow

            What? They didn’t bring any facts, wtf are you talking about?

          • Xtreme Derp

            No facts, only delusional Microsoft fanboy tears.

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            NDA expires in 2017, then the unlocking keys get released for developers’. The power is 8TF then.

          • such.wow
          • Xtreme Derp

            Completely delusional and wrong BS.

            Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

            Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

            PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

            Anyone expecting parity or Xbox games running better than PS4 will be sorely disappointed.

          • corvusmd

            Again, I’m not a DEV, but with the way that ACTUAL devs are talking, and the way that things will naturally get better with time, and new and updated drivers will get released. It just seems stupid to count MS out at this point. I have no doubt that within a year or so, nearly all games will be 1080p/60fps consistently. Then what will people cry about? Right now you can’t even tell the difference 99% of the time, and IF you can, it’s not enough to care about. Physically the human eye can’t even tell the difference between 1080p and 720p NATIVE unless you are less than four feet from a 55in or greater screen….and that’s NOT in motion.

          • Scott Lindsey

            There is an opposing consideration — games are getting more complicated as quickly as developers are getting better at managing the XB1′s quirks.

            If they’re porting games from the PS4, those games will have be more demanding than today’s games. So you may see this differential actually get worse.

          • corvusmd

            That’s an assumption. With the new drivers, MS MAY have the advantage because it doesn’t have to work as hard to do the same thing. As an Analogy… A fit 200lb man (PS4) and a fit 150lb man (XB1) have to climb a mountain….the 200lb man has to carry a 100lb ruck where as the 150lb man carries 35lbs….who gets to the top first and less tired?

          • Xtreme Derp

            LOL! MS may have the advantage! Completely delusional and insane.

            Thank god you only have one bubble on n4g to spread your mental illness.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Completely wrong. Neither console will be running demanding AAA games like Witcher 3 at 1080p 60.

          • Scott Lindsey

            I wouldn’t count it out. By the numbers, consoles are weaker than PCs, but PCs don’t have unified RAM. Also, consoles tend to “hit above their weight” late in their life because developers can code to specific hardware.

          • Xtreme Derp

            No doubt consoles can punch above their weight, but you’re probably going to need a GTX 680+ to hit 1080p 60 on very high settings. We can hope for 1080p 30 fps at best on Witcher 3 PS4.

          • Scott Lindsey

            It’s only 32MB. It’s like if I give you 25 cents and say “don’t spend it all in one place”.

          • corvusmd

            No it’s not

          • Scott Lindsey

            Can you even imagine a 32mb flash drive? Even a Word document is like 1mb these days.

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            We asked for 32MB.
            It’s high speed and when used with the unlocked second GPU in 2017
            Will blow the doors of the Pony Station

          • such.wow

            I can’t tell if you are trolling or being serious, I sure hope you are trolling.

          • bigevilworldwide

            LMAO are you actually trying to claim that 8gb of GDDR5 RAM is slower than 32mb of eSRAM….OH jesus, are you mentally retarded? Did you used to eat the little candies that flaked off the wall when you were a kid? Do you live near power lines, or were you perhaps dropped on your head multiple times as a child?

          • corvusmd

            Shhh adults are talking

          • mathMaticks

            Shhhh astro.turfers talking

          • corvusmd

            Also, know what you are talking about before you say anything….I had already corrected what I said long before you were here.

          • Xtreme Derp

            They’re from misterxmedia’s blog, and they’re a sad bunch.

          • Scott Lindsey

            Memory speed is measured via two metrics — Bandwidth and Latency.

            The main memory for both systems will have a latency of around 11ns. The latency of the ESRAM is probably somewhat shorter, but I haven’t been able to find any information on it.

            The bandwidth the PS4′s GDDR5 is 176GB/s. The ESRAM has a upper limit of 192GB/s — if you count reading and writing simultaneously. In the real world though, the ESRAM’s theoretical bandwidth will not be reached just because you don’t often need to read and write at the same time — so bandwidth is actually a win for the PS4.

            Bandwidth is the main issue for graphics rendering. So by most measures, the PS4′s RAM configuation is both faster and bigger.

          • corvusmd

            You do realize that doesn’t mean it’s a win for the PS4, because the same real world need/application applies to PS4 right?

          • Xtreme Derp

            PS4 has plenty of memory bandwidth and size for its needs. Can’t say the same for Xbox.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Latency is a non-issue for PS4′s GDDR5.

            Project Cars devs have already stated PS4′s memory bandwidth is faster.

            http://gamingbolt.com/project-cars-uses-xbox-one-esram-for-deferred-render-targets-careful-use-mitigates-ps4s-unified-memory-advantage

          • punkchobit

            ” but the 8gb of “fast ram” is nowhere close to as fast as the 32mb of “fast Ram””

            Actually they are very close. That’s the problem.

            “.that and the 8gb of ‘”fast ram” on one system isn’t that much faster than the system with “slow ram””

            The 8 gb of fast ram is 3 times faster than Xone’s slow RAM

        • Xtreme Derp

          The fanboys are so ignorant of basic GPU tech they don’t understand having infinite memory bandwidth and size doesn’t equal infinite power.

          That is even if Xbox had 10000GB/s bandwidth and 10000GB RAM, it would still be limited by its weaker GPU.

      • Ippoletta

        Damn these sony slaves are fuming. they’re losing it big time.

        • Xtreme Derp

          Same old delusional, constantly wrong misterxcultist doomsday prophecies. Just wait for X date, you’ll be sorry! LOL

          Sorry, you’re wrong, you’ll always be wrong. PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance, end of story.

    • Illusive Man

      You so desperately want this to be bullshit so you can cling to your resolution BS. Don’t worry, you won’t be clinging on much longer.

      • Xtreme Derp

        Same old delusional, constantly wrong misterxcultist doomsday prophecies. Just wait for X date, you’ll be sorry! LOL

        Sorry, you’re wrong, you’ll always be wrong. PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance, end of story.

    • corvusmd

      Thank you Deslin for your clear and very unbiased opinion. How long have you been making games?

      • Delsin Row

        actually , i study computer hardware at university.

        • corvusmd

          Ahh…so you’re nobody. Thank you very much for the clarification

          • Johnnie

            Did you not read his name? Bro, he controls smoke, neon, TV and concrete. I’d run.

          • Delsin Row

            in the future , i also control paper , wire , glass and god knowS what other powers. :D

          • corvusmd

            ahhh clinging to your one game….so awesome. It was a good game, I’d give it an 8/10, but I had no desire to play it twice….traded it and put that money towards Mario Kart 8

          • Delsin Row

            Well , you’ve made a big mistake. you have to play this game twice. because what you get and see in other powers, is diffrent from the other one :D

          • corvusmd

            Not really, I got to experience it, and yes it’s a great looking game, but why would I keep playing a game after it feels like a chore instead of playing a game I enjoy?

          • Delsin Row

            well everybody has theire own opinion. :D . Enjoy whatever you like :)

          • such.wow

            You missed an e.

          • Johnnie

            In 1080p?

          • Delsin Row

            I hope so. because 1080p is really beautiful :D

          • Delsin Row

            yes. but who ever i am, i understand more than you in this stuff. bring it on baby …

          • corvusmd

            Whatever Internet toughguy….I KNOW I’m not a developer, but I don’t pretend to be..I do however listen to people that ACTUALLY KNOW what they are talking about, you are not one of them…say whatever you want. I hope it helps you sleep at night

          • Xtreme Derp

            LOL a mentally ill, constantly WRONG, delusional conspiracy theorist misterxturd trying to attack others credentials.a

          • Xtreme Derp

            LOL a mentally ill, constantly WRONG, delusional conspiracy theorist misterxturd trying to attack others credentials.

    • Xtreme Derp

      I doubt the performance diff. will ever get that small.

  • albatrosMyster

    Yes, he just explained why ambitious titles will never reach 1080p/60fps on this machine… this and the weak GPU… mind you the esram is a good thing, the machine would be much worse off if it had only DDR3 RAM, then it would probably be not much better than the Wii U or something along those lines.

    They built it, now they have to sell it… :-/ I bet they wish they (MS management) could invent the time travel machine…

    At least the current head of the xbox team seems to have his head screwed on correctly, hopefully their next machine will be better.

  • Mus1ckFPS

    LOL

  • Averix

    How’s that working for you so far MS? Developers are complaining because that memory can’t hold enough texture memory to matter and that makes it kind of useless. If there had been a GB of ESRAM, then this would rock.

    • Delsin Row

      dont listen to them. they have to lie , because of theire shity console.

      • Averix

        Stop with the fanboy bs Delsin. Please.

        • Delsin Row

          IM NOT A FANBOY. I JUST HATE LIES AND LIARS. THATS ALL.

          • shinitaru

            As one Sony fan to another: Please stop, you are making us look bad

          • Delsin Row

            whats the problem? i dont get it. obviously , if you are into this stuff , you would know they are lying. are you wanna make me close my eyes and say nothing ? im sorry but i cant.

          • willhe

            woman you arent a fanboy you are all bitch

          • Averix

            Ah, no. You’re clearly acting like a fanboy. You might just want to go back and read your posting history. It reads like a PS4 fanboy. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, odds are it’s a duck.

      • Orion

        Jesus H Mary and Joseph. You are a Sony PR spokesman. Why are you on the article if you hate Microsoft so much? With your fingers, you are spewing virtual shiznit out of your mouth.

        This is one of those cases where your opinion, which is what this is, does not matter. Shut up. Let the experts speak. You are not an expert. Don’t get it twisted.

        • Delsin Row

          expert ? if you were expert , you would know that they already lie about this stuff. right now , xbox one cant run 1080p and 60 fps besides some pointless games. but imagine next years, you think that time x1 can 1080p and 60fps ? how expert are you. LOL

          • Orion

            You are about the dumbest person on the internet…I don’t have to be an expert. They do. It’s their job to come up with the formula. They just gave you the formula. Now all you have to do is input the necessary numbers to get the result. You cannot possibly know they are lying, because they are not. It is a developers conference.

            Are you a developer, or some mommas boy in a basement somewhere getting fed nonsense by your hilbilly alter-ego? Get. Over. Yourself.

          • Delsin Row

            lucky for you , i am none of them. so you saying they dont lying? i remember they say forza5 does the best visual we ever seen. if you compare the game and the e3 shows , you would know they told us a big lie. if you just be realistic and use your mind ( which you dont ) you would understand that what they say is not possible. right know, x1 cant run 1080p and 60 fps in high quality games, imagine the next years as we moving forward. the director at the 343 industry said that if anyone could use all of the esram power, the diffrence beetwen ps4 and xbox one will be 20 percent. if anyone could use. if.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

            Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

            PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

            Anyone expecting parity or Xbox games running better than PS4 will be sorely disappointed.a

          • HalfBlackCanuck

            Explain, coherently, how a machine with around 6x the power of its predecessor cannot achieve 1080p/60fps. All this forums talk about buzzwords and that’s the buzziest of them all. A Samsung Galaxy S4 can do 1080p/60fps…is it on par with PS4?
            (Also, multiple game do run at those specs so….)

        • Xtreme Derp

          Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

          Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

          PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

          Anyone expecting parity or Xbox games running better than PS4 will be sorely disappointed.

    • HalfBlackCanuck

      I think they knew how much they needed in order to achieve what they wanted to. Granted, Sony put more raw power in the box than MS did, but if ESRAM was a half-step to solve the GDDR3-5 gap, then one would imagine it would be easier (and therefore cheaper) to just replace everything with GDDR5 instead of mapping out a completely different architecture.
      I think Devs are complaining for the same reason they complained through a lot of the PS3/360 days. When one console makes it super simple to program for, the other gets left behind (last time the more powerful of the two rarely got to shine because nobody outside of first arty wanted to put in the effort). This time programmers don’t want to work at making something run with the tools provided if those tools require 10% more manpower to accomplish. Am I saying that they should suck it up? No, but I don’t think we should be taking every insider-$20/hr programmer’s word for what has how much more power and what doesn’t.
      Either way people should just enjoy what they want to play, but hold off on the “Xbox can’t do 1080p/60fps until some actual first party games start releasing (one has so far, and it hit that mark).

      • Averix

        Good points. I am eagerly awaiting to see how Halo 5 pushes the console.

  • Wargreymon559 .

    Lol.

  • http://www.milkbuster.com Shane Stocks

    Remind me which games are 1080p/60fps on the Xbox One again…

    • ilovegoogleglass

      Google is your friend….

    • Mus1ckFPS

      forza 5 & Wolfenstien new order

      • such.wow

        One of those isn’t out yet.

        • Mus1ckFPS

          i know, but its one of those games

          • such.wow

            Oh I thought of one… That Rayman game, that’s 1080p/60fps, right?

      • Negi Springfield

        Forza 5 is a game that`s been heavily down-graded into a piece of looking shit to achieve 1080P at 60 FPS and Here`s link leading to screenshots to prove it.
        http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=90611423#post90611423

      • Xtreme Derp

        Wolfenstein might have slowdown on Xbox.

    • Metal

      Forza 5 amongst other indies.. Ps4 on the other hand, NONE.. Killzone online was a lie.. And indies does not count.

      • superkarma

        Killzone does run in 1080p native. It was not a lie, regardless of what you fanboys want to believe. Killzone just uses a different rendering technique, but it is still native 1080p. Not only does the multiplayer run 1080p/60fps native, but so does the single player. Time to move on from that tired argument.

        • JumpIf NotZero

          1 million pixels being rendered per frame on X1 is called “720p”

          but…

          1 million pixels being rendered per frame is a “rendering technique” on PS4

          LOL

          • superkarma

            It has already been proved by others (and also stated by the developer themselves) that it’s 1080p/60fps native. Sorry, I’m inclined to go with them over a random fanboy who has no idea what he’s talking about.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            Ok, let’s pretend that 960×1080 vertically interlaced plus recycled “guessed” pixels from previous frames “means” 1080p.

            Too funny that the you actually bought that “temporal projection” line. It’s blurry because it’s 1/2 the rendered resolution they said it was. It’s FAR closer to 720p upscaled than it is 1080p, but… We can pretend if you like.

          • superkarma

            We can also pretend that you know more than the tech analysts and developers themselves. We can also pretend that your guesswork at what resolution it’s actually “closer” to is exactly what you said.

          • such.wow

            Yeah, because Forza 5 is such a technical showpiece, amirite?

          • Dennis Djoenz

            Killzone’s MP is 1080i basically and no that is not 720p upscaled.

          • bigevilworldwide

            Even IF you were right…Which you aren’t genius the SP campaign is 1080p

          • JumpIf NotZero

            1080p/30, never said it wasn’t. But if you look above, we’re talking about 1080/60 games.

          • Xtreme Derp

            He’s a conspiracy theorist misterxmedia cultist. Start with the wrong conclusion that “Xbox is secretly more powerful than PS4″ then straw grasp for “evidence” that defies all logic, evidence, and reality.

            No different than flat earthers, perpetual motion advocates, or other conspiracy theorists.a

          • Xtreme Derp

            He’s a conspiracy theorist misterxmedia cultist. Start with the wrong conclusion that “Xbox is secretly more powerful than PS4″ then straw grasp for “evidence” that defies all logic, evidence, and reality.

            No different than flat earthers, perpetual motion advocates, or other conspiracy theorists.

        • QuazL

          You realize that the multiplayer will get to single digit frames right?

          • superkarma

            You mean like how Titanfall does?

          • Scott Lindsey

            Only if there are titans on the screen!

          • superkarma

            But that can’t be! The almighty power of the cloud makes Titanfall run so much faster and cleaner!

          • such.wow

            Which multiplayer would that be?

        • Metal

          Sony even admitted to have twisted the truth.. It’s not 1080p 60 fps.. Stop lying to yourself

          • superkarma

            Oh really?

            Q: Is SHADOW FALL running 1080p natively?
            In both SP and MP, KILLZONE SHADOW FALL outputs a full, unscaled 1080p image at up to 60 FPS. Native is often used to indicate images that are not scaled; it is native by that definition.

            http://www.killzone.com/en_GB/blog/news/2014-03-06_regarding-killzone-shadow-fall-and-1080p.html

            Get outta here, fanboy.

          • Metal

            Check your sources ponie ass

          • superkarma

            My source is the developer of the game, as the link I gave you proves.

            Run along, fanboy.

          • Metal

            And mine is Sonys words.. 740p 50fps.. Sry Sam .. Roll to the next house and try convincing a smal minded soul

          • superkarma

            Lmao, 740p…you’re cute.

            You’re forgetting one little thing, child…you never backed up your “source” with a link. All you’ve been doing is spewing fanboy nonsense. Once you provide a link of Sony saying it’s 740/50fps, we can have a discussion.

            Now, I expect you to reply with some more fanboyish backpedaling, while never actually giving a link to back up your laughable claim. Have fun with that. I’m done feeding the troll. Later, child.

      • Gamist

        Metal Gear Solid is 1080p, 60fps on the PS4.

        • corvusmd

          It’s also 4gb and can fit the whole game on RAM…the fact that it’s not 1080- 60fps on XB1 is more telling of how the developer failed than how the XB1 failed. Bigger, more complex games on XB1 have higher RES/FPS. The way Hideo is selling out to Sony, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was on purpose.

          • Gamist

            So Infiniti Ward’s COD: Ghost is a sell out too?

          • JumpIf NotZero

            I can’t remember, is that the same CoD that not one reviewer including digital foundry could tell that the PS4 was 720p at launch pre-patch?

          • Xtreme Derp

            LOL. Completely wrong and delusional.

      • CervantesPR

        cod,final fantasy 14 realm reborn,cod ghosts, nba 2k14 is 1080P 60 FPS…… just saying

      • such.wow

        I must’ve imagined Resogun.

      • Mus1ckFPS

        you do know killzone is still in 1080 just not 1080p

        • Metal

          1080 and 1080p is alot different.. 1080i is as good as 740p .. Meaning killzone is running at a 740p 50 fps online.. Sony lied.. And you guys cant tell the difference.. Fail

      • Johnnie

        Ghosts and BF4 are 1080p, 60 FPS. Actually, COD supposedly runs higher than 60… MGS Ground Zeroes is 60/1080, Infamous is 1080/30, Thief (not that anyone cares) is I believe 60/1080, Tomb Raider is 60/1080. My controller even runs at a respectable 45/1080.

        Wait, what?

        • such.wow

          Thief is 1080p/30fps.

          • Johnnie

            You know, I thought it might have been 30 but I gave them the benefit of the doubt since, from what I hear, the rest of the game is a complete mess. Thank you for the correction :)

        • Jessie Bristol

          BF4 is 900p60 on PS4, not 1080p.

      • bigevilworldwide

        Ummmm try again skippy EVERY game on PS4 is 1080p…The only one that isn’t was Battlefield 4….

        Tomb raider 1080p
        Thief 1080p

        Lego Marvel 1080p
        COD 1080p

        KZ 1080p(psssst that lie was debunked less than 24hrs later when GG explained how it’s interlaced. SP is still full native 1080p)

        Knack 1080p

        Metal gear rip off 1080p

        InFAMOUS SS 1080p

        EVERY GAME ON PS4 is 1080p

        • such.wow

          Except BF4.

        • Metal

          We where talking about 1080p 60 fps.. Not only 1080p.. And the ps4 is sacrificing alot of textures during that operation to make it 1080p , the games on ps4 looks dull and washed out.. Ps4 is trash.. Just you wait

      • Negi Springfield

        So , Resogun , An Indie title which is at 1080P at 60 FPS , Also Graphically better looking than Forza 5 and Dead Rising 3 combined does not count ?

        Are you an idiot or something ? Just look at those thousands and thousands of blocks and particles

      • Guest

        So , Resogun , An Indie title which is at 1080P at 60 FPS , Also
        Graphically better looking than Forza 5 and Dead Rising 3 combined does
        not count ?

        Are you an idiot or something ? Just look at those thousands and thousands of blocks and particles !

        • Metal

          Better looking? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHA… Aids

    • Dennis Crosby

      Forza 5 is the only next gen AAA exclusive that runs a true 1080p 60fps but they also have multiplates ,Indies , and AA exclusive running 1080p60fps just like the ps4 only difference is all of ps4 AAA exclusive that are running 1080p60fps are uncapped like kilzone which is the only one everything else runs 1080p30fps

    • Johnnie

      Just Dance 2014

    • Johnnie

      Frogger: Unleashed and Halo 2.75.

    • Jaded X

      Nba 2k14

    • corvusmd

      Remind me, why can’t PS4 play Titanfall again? (other than the exclusive deal)

  • superkarma

    And yet, developers say it’s a headache working with. But hey, Microsoft, keep attempting to put febreze on a pile of crap.

  • oGMo

    Actually reading this … “no CPU access”? This would actually have been kinda neat if the CPU and GPU had a dedicated 32MB window to talk. You could do a fair bit of 2-way GPGPU stuff, maybe free some CPU for other tasks. Assuming the GPU wasn’t already weaker to begin with.

    But 32MB very fast GPU-only buffer is pretty meh.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Cool! Tell me more about hardware specifications, apparently you’re a Master a this stuff!

      Although you don’t understand what a DMA controller is and why have access to multiple “move engines” is far better than a single channel of direct access… I’m sure you must know what you’re talking about!!!

      • oGMo

        This is still utterly irrelevant. You have a tiny bit of memory you can access without the CPU getting involved… big deal, GPUs have had dedicated memory forever. “But this memory is really really fast,” you say… which would be nice if there were more than 32MB of it. If I told someone “My graphics card has 32MB of RAM,” they’d be like “that was nice in 1997″. Of course when your main memory is all DDR3, you have to make up for it.

        Your “multiple move engines” (woo-fucking-hoo, you have limited 4-channel fixed-function DMA) isn’t going to help when you have RAM that’s slow as hell or limited as hell.

      • Xtreme Derp

        LOL. PS4 doesn’t need DMA registers, it has unified memory, DMA registers are only used to shuffle data between two pools or RAM, they don’t increase the aggregate usable bandwidth to developers. It’s a hassle, not a benefit.

        Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

        Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

        PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

        Anyone expecting parity or Xbox games running better than PS4 will be sorely disappointed.

    • Xtreme Derp

      I remember hearing that the CPU had “very slow” access to the ESRAM. It was even on one of the hotchips slides. Was that wrong?

      • oGMo

        Probably not from the sound of it … AFAICT this is referring to “no direct access” which means you’d need to copy from ESRAM to RAM, which would be pretty slow.

        Originally I thought this was something like an addressable 32MB L2 which would be kinda neat (though maybe not so much for gaming).

  • ilovegoogleglass

    Yeah esram is next gen. No PC uses esram, you can’t even buy it… No wonder why Devs are having a huge trouble with it. It seems that Devs will have to code in a certain particular
    way in order for everything to work. Say goodbye to old Dev techniques….

    Wonder why Microsoft chose power over graphics?

    • superkarma

      It’s pretty amusing, because Sony learned from their mistake with the cell CPU, but apparently Microsoft didn’t pay attention at all last gen.

      • ilovegoogleglass

        Apparently.

    • oGMo

      Wonder why Microsoft chose power over graphics?

      They chose what they knew from the 360. Maybe bad luck or hubris, but my guess is they rather just didn’t know where to go. MS has been pretty lost in the last 5 years especially. Rather a developer going to other developers like Sony, they just put random features together and hoped everyone would buy into their DRM scheme.

      Not more power. Just last-gen ideas, done harder.

      • QuazL

        I know you that wish that was true, but the PS4 is the best of last gen. That is all that it has. GDDR5 is fast for GPU things, but not for CPU things. If you are honest and really look at the X1 architecture, whether or not it is weaker or not by the numbers, there is a whole range of options to optimize.

    • such.wow

      Dat sarcasm. 10/10.

      • ilovegoogleglass

        Wonderful rebuttal…

    • Xtreme Derp

      Same old delusional, constantly wrong misterxcultist doomsday prophecies. Just wait for X date, you’ll be sorry! LOL

      Sorry, you’re wrong, you’ll always be wrong. PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance, end of story.

      • Guest

        ..

  • name

    So let’s me get this straight. It’s the developers problem because they don’t know how to build games or at least build games on the X1 cable box. Always someone else’s fault huh MS? It’s the Microsoft way. Smoke, mirrors and hype is all Microsoft has left. The reason Phil Spencer is head of MS gaming division is he can spin and sell anything. He’s a used car salesman that with smoke, mirrors and hype can make you believe anything.

  • JumpIf NotZero

    You guys quoted incorrectly….. “DNA engines” is not a thing.

    DMA engines, Direct Memory Access, special registers that pull push data around with their own que system separate of the CPU. ie: MS’s custom “MOVE ENGINES” on the X1 SoC are what is being referred to here.

    They are saying they omitted the ability for the CPU to access the ESRAM because they have (four iirc) move engines that can do this concurrently without the CPU being bothered. This is a massive advantage in real world bandwidth and real world latency numbers for the system’s combine ESRAM and DDR3.

    Basically, the difference being the PS4 has two direct channels to memory (CPU+GPU) that can write conncurrently but both require the commands to be cached, the Xbox has far more options (CPU to DD3, GPU to DD3, GPU to ESRAM, Move engines to ESRAM, Move engines to DDR3) of which some can write concurrently.

    This is only a big deal if an engine is designed to access them. Expect big gains in new engines and poorer performance in old engines that do not utilize the concurrent read/write/move. Exactly what we are seeing with launch multiplats.

    • Godzooqi

      You win the internets for the day for being the ONLY poster who has any clue what Microsoft was trying to do. So many armchair computer experts these days.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        It’s a small club you and I are in. Cheers.

        • Yo Mama

          What’s the name of that club? Xbox One owner?

          • cozomel

            The ultra stupid gullible club. Its funny cuz evidently even the devs dont know what the hell MS is trying to do with the X1, hence all the inferior multiplats and unimpressive exclusives. Man, ms fanboys settle for less

        • You are flat out wrong
        • Xtreme Derp

          The small club of delusional misterxmedia worshipers that still think Xbox has sekrit sauce that will bring parity or better? Yeah, quite the exclusive “club”.

      • You are flat out wrong

        Or he just copy pasted stuff we knew about over a year ago. http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durangos-move-engines/

      • Xtreme Derp

        What Microsoft was “trying to do” was create a system that puts multitasking and media features first, gaming performance second. Judging by PS4′s superior gaming performance hardware, I’d say they succeeded.

        • Lag-Fighting Tactics

          We asked for this as users.
          Secondly we can get tv watching achievements.
          Try doing that on your weaker PS4.
          We have 3 OS’s for a true multi-use system.

    • Orion

      Damn. I didn’t think about it that way. Thank you for being competant and helping other people learn. That’s awesome. I guess, contrary to popular belief, where popularity shouldn’t matter and science should, Microsoft knew what they were doing when designing this system. You learn something new every day if you listen.

      • islan

        I would still say it was a flaw in their design process when all these “old engines” are still going to be used for many games going forward. You cannot expect developers that are not first party to stop everything and make a brand new engine that can take advantage of your new consoles.

        • JumpIf NotZero

          Cerny interview from before the PS4 release (when he was talking about EDRAM on die) discussed the very topic. He very clearly stated they felt the day one advantage of fast system ram was more important to them than very high-potential on die ram.

          It’s high unlikely this was lost on MS as well. But when you look at the other things Frank Savage talked about today in regards to Kinect, the OS “partitions”, Cloud, and DX12, it seems MS also had a requirement for as low of latency system as they could get. It all goes back to the “ESRAM is hard to develope for!” that no one seemed to mention when we were talking about 360 that also had embedded ram.

          So, yea, I don’t disagree that day one advantage was helpful. But I would say wait and see for E3 and if things start to improve more for X1 and how they go for PS4 as well. It’s not a competition, if you own both now or own both later you are the real winner.

          If you get on the internet to shit on one, I think all the adults can agree that person is the real loser.

          • Jumplf Is Cool

            You are really cool, why can’t more people on the internet be like you?

          • You are flat out wrong

            Now he’s talking to himself. Sad.

          • destructor

            wtf BIaTCH

          • Ippoletta

            Somebody is trolling him. apparently. it was probably you. fishing for thumbs up from other brain dead shills.

          • cozomel

            Yes, cuz adults dont “sh*t” on anything. If you were a real adult, you’d know people in general will shit on things they dont like or agree with. Now let me know when we’ll see these advantages cuz i wont be holding my breath. Maybe in a couple of years after the PS4 has kicked is a$$ a million times then we’ll see this advantage

          • Xtreme Derp

            No, this is a conspiracy theory based on the wrong assumption that “MS couldn’t have possibly put gaming performance second”. You’re starting with the wrong conclusion then straw grasping for evidence. Classic misterxmedia nonsense.

          • Michael Norris

            What you fail to understand is Esram is holding back developers.Of course the head engineer of Xone is telling everyone it can run at 1080p or 60fps.The fact is there is only 32mb and using a deferred rending engine 32mb isn’t enough.Also don’t forget 360 used GDDR3 for it’s memory much like how Ps4 uses Gddr5.Also 360 used eDram not Esram which was meant for 4x AA not to hold shadow maps,light maps and such.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Sure it can run at 1080p 60 fps. With massive sacrifices to visual effects.

            PS4 could run Forza 5 with good AA, AO, 3d crowds, better lighting, better GPGPU, etc. It’s just the more powerful machine, period.

          • Failz

            You fail to understand that if the XB1 can achieve close to if not the same visuals as the almighty PS4 with weaker hardware then I say MS are the winners. Optimisation is the way to go and all this will be unlocked with DX12.
            If a Game came out on PS4 using DX11 and on XB1 using DX12. Sorry to say the DX12 version will look better regardless of the specs of the hardware. That’s what DX is for, bringing higher performance to lower end machines allowing more power to be used.
            Now go back to playing Knack.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Wrong.

          • You are flat out wrong

            ” if the XB1 can achieve close to if not the same visuals as the almighty PS4 with weaker hardware”

            Not happening. Sorry. :)

            PS4 uses its own custom API based on OpenGL by the way. Try harder. :)

          • Failz

            You mean the same OpenGL and DX11.2 versions the XB1 uses as well? Nice one. XB1 will use DX12 where as the PS4 wont.

          • You are flat out wrong

            Xbone does not use OpenGL, chimp.

            DX12 isn’t the the silver sword that’ll save the Xbone either.

          • Failz

            DX12 offers more then the latest OpenGL. Don’t compare DX11 to the latest OpenGL because DX11 was made in 2008. Times have changed and OpenGL have to make there moves fast with updates because the PS4 didn’t invest in there hardware to run a new version of OpenGL like MS did with the XB1 and DX.

          • You are flat out wrong

            Yeah, all those shit Xbone games are gonna wind up on PC. Even less reason for anyone to get a Shitbox Done!

          • Ippoletta

            That’s exactly why they aren’t doing that. they aren’t giving stupid children a reason to say the Xbox doesn’t have any games. try again. PC and Xbox will be sharing indies, some arcade games. but nothing more than that. unless devs want to make anything PC and Xbox Exclusive.

          • coip

            Dude, Failz just tore you apart and, in a classic YAFOW (that’s the acronym for your stupid name) move, your response was to namecall like a kindergartener. Classic, YAFOW move. Good work, Failz. That was fun to read.

          • cozomel

            wow, another dumb clown that knows nothing. You xbots are ret*rds, cuz Dx12 is not going to really benfit X1, its going to benefit the PC and actually make the PS4 and X1 look worst as lower spec machine PC will perform better from it making it look like even lower spec PC can match and outperform them. And p.s. coip is a stupid name

          • You are flat out wrong

            Your stupidity implies the PS4 custom API also cannot undergo the same improvements under the ICE team. Then again MS’ superior software engineers are too busy fixing the space bar password hack exploit!

          • coip

            If you consider that a “hack” you have a very lenient definition of the word. Wonder what you’d call the PSN hack that affected tens of millions of people that Sonu tried to cover up. Super hack?

          • You are flat out wrong

            Hence my use of the word “exploit.” Xbots can’t read!

          • coip

            Hence your prefacing the word exploit with “hack”. It wasn’t a hack anything. Sony’s subpar gaming network getting hacked and tens of millions of gamers’ data stolen? Now that’s a hack.

          • You are flat out wrong

            MS software engineers, so great they missed the space bar exploit. I’ll remember that one. :D

          • Ian Williams

            You did say hack.

          • You are flat out wrong

            Unpermitted access? It’s both. Deal with it. :)

          • Ian Williams

            You said hack, it’s above.

          • You are flat out wrong

            I did, it was, the kid managed it. Dumbass!

          • Ian Williams

            Haha listen to yourself . You saididn’t say hack when quit clearly you did and now you call me a dumbass hahaha, your proper thick.

          • You are flat out wrong

            That’s amusing coming from Ian the thick taff. MS’ software engineers outwitted by a child! Hahahahaha!

          • Ian Williams

            and tens of millions of psn users outwitted by hackers hahahahahahahahahaha d1ck h34d

          • You are flat out wrong

            Ian in ruins, again. I don’t know why you try. :)

          • Ian Williams

            Like your life, in ruins

          • You are flat out wrong

            Keep trying Ian. :)

          • Ian Williams

            I always do.

          • Guy Brohski

            He’s too dumb to remember what he posted 5 minutes ago, rofl!

          • Ian Williams

            Agreed.

          • HardcorVegas

            PieceOfShit4 … Aka PS4 … You are a one trick pony. Gaming is all you got. But you don’t even have the best games!! Check the charts!

          • You are flat out wrong

            Sure.

          • HardcorVegas

            Post the Internet website link for this if you don’t mind

          • You are flat out wrong

            metacritic.com. 2013 totals. You’re welcome. :)

          • HardcorVegas

            Nice. Pull out a spec from an off-year as quoted by the site itself. In general when scoring you do not include the exceptions as they skew the result. In this slice the PS four appears to have the upper hand. But is it accurate overall?

            “Just 11 console games—representing a mere 7 unique titles, as most of those games were multi-platform—scored 90 or higher in 2013. That is by far the lowest number of “great” games in a single year since the arrival of the last generation of consoles”

            If you look at the all-time stats they are vastly different. Compare those to the last 90 days stats, again they are way different (hmmm xbox 2 out of top 3)

            I think this argument is futile. Xbox One and PS4 are both great in their own right. The human eyes and ears can only perceive certain levels of detail. We have already reached that point. Anything beyond that is for dogs and bats… No shit.

          • You are flat out wrong

            Launch year, you mean. And the Wii U and PS4 had more and beter games than the Xbone. :) Must really chap your ass that an Ouya indie game on the PS4 outscored “the most anticipated game of the year.” :)

            “The human eyes and ears can only perceive certain levels of detail.” My favourite line alongside “the human eye can’t see about 24fps.”

          • HardcorVegas

            Launch Year … big deal! Launch year is full of hopeful expectation, blind devotion, and very little fact. By it’s very nature … it is SKEWED. Five years later is a way better measurement.

            No games on PS4 were “most anticipated” or “scored best”. So what’s the point PS4? Kind of a waste of time it sounds like.

            The difference between 30fps to 60fps is LESS than 24fps to 30fps. We can’t see things any faster. So to drop money on video hardware (Sony) to get only marginal improvements, and NOT innovate with Kinect, TV, Skype, XBox Live Compute, etc, etc … means that Microsoft made a very sound decision to future proof the Xbox One console.

            The ESRAM is an innovation by Microsoft to offset the slower system Memory and GPU power. This should narrow the video performance gap, meanwhile Xbox One already has everything else.

            What else ya got?

          • You are flat out wrong

            Many other devices have ESRAM so it’s hardly “innovation.” I guess they stole having a difficult to program for console from Sony. Such innovation!

            Kinect is garbage, TV TV TV is laughable, Skype is free everywhere else and your precious cloud isn’t practical for a year. But keep hanging on to your straw if it allows you to justify wasting money on a crap console. :)

          • Canscrubenha

            How many games did Sony show off at E3 this year? How many did Microsoft show off?

            How much time did Sony devote to media apps at E3?

            What about Microsoft?

            I’m guessing you were one of the people who laughed and said the Xbox One wasn’t a gaming machine and just a tv box. Then when they show nothing but games and Sony shows how much they copied the Xbox One with their media apps you praised Sony for what they bring to the table.

            That’s purely speculation, but I wouldn’t be surprised one bit if it was accurate.

          • You are flat out wrong

            90 minutes each on gaming. Both showed the same amount of games. Sony didn’t have to show CGI trailers for 2016 games though.

            There’s a big difference between talking about apps in your console’s second E3 for ten minutes and talking about TV for three quarters of a console’s reveal, but I don’t expect Xbots to be intelligent enough to discern this.

          • Gt Madden

            dude I have to charm in here. innovate????. umm lets see the Kinect was out on the xbox 360 and you can look just about anywhere and see standard tv is dying.as said Skype has also been around for awhile and is free on any pc. nothing you mentioned is innovating. its just more of the same. and even though the Kinect wasn’t used in the 360 gen you think that all of a sudden ppl are gonna want to interact with their games is such a physical way. no..and this is also y vr will not last to long either. ppl play games to relax. and hardcore gamers play for several hours at a time. if you have to physically move to play a game can I wouldn’t wanna do a 10 hour marathon of bf4 that way. and ill tell you why the scoring system for games are jacked now a days, its because the rate a game high on the fun factor. problem with that is fun isn’t a measureable number. whats fun for you may not be fun for me. there was a time when a game was rated on its content, its playability and its graphics and sound. fun was never a factor. so a game like titanfall maybe loads of fun. but on a tech scale the game is only a fraction better than its last gen counterpart. and should not have got its high scores. even games like forza and ryse had their own issues that should have got them lower overall scores. now im not saying ps4 games so far are great but when compared to how they preform on the ps4 compared the the xbone. its not hard to score a gae on ps4 higher than its xbone counterpart. and I don’t understand your math on fps. the difference from 24 to 30 is 6 fps. the difference from 30 and 60 is 30fps. and the last I checked 30 fps is a shit load different than 6fps. and to be honest it would bother me if games ran at a constant 30 to 40 fps im more concerned about the resolution. id rather see 1080p or better res and high texture rates. than see crappy muddy textures running at 60 plus fps

          • Guy Brohski

            LOL. “2013″.

          • You are flat out wrong

            Yep. Deal with it. :)

          • Guy Brohski

            Yeah, I’ve already dealt with 2013. We’re now in the fourth month of this new year called “2014″. This is what we’re all dealing with now.

          • You are flat out wrong

            About the same amount of games and the highest rated so far was Towerfall on the PS4. That’s got to chap your ass!

          • cozomel

            Wow, so much ignorance and stupidity. Consoles use low level to the metal APIs. AMD’s Mantle does the same thing for PC (and is based on PS4s API actually) and DX12 is MS answer to Mantle and just basically uses the same API that is used in the X1 now, to achieve the same low level to the metal level on the PC that the consoles already do. So DX12 is not a real advantage for the X1, its a advantage for the PC (as if they needed it, as this is only going to make consoles look even worst, cuz this means that weaker PCs will be able to outperform the PS4/X1)

          • Michael Etheridge

            Evidently, you did not get word of the improvements of OpenGL. Also, this maybe the first you heard this but AMD APU’s are more friendly to AMDs own version of Direct X 12, Mantle. Mantle and DirectX 12 provide the same. PS4 will have Mantle or an improved OpenGL and Xbox One will have Direct X 12. The opposed still miss the fact that graphics rely on the GPU more than anything. Microsoft continues to bring up “memory and eSRAM” in which help frame-rate and resolution but do not promise higher graphical fidelity in which is were the GPU does most the work. PS4 still has nearly double the GPU and 2 of its compute units are locked for future reference which give it even more shaders to work with. Sony did their homework!

          • Failz

            You fanboys need to do your research. You cant just have a good GPU and expect everything around it to go with it. What makes a good console/PC is a well balance system. The CPU needs to be as good as the GPU and so does the motherboard, chipsets, power supply and Ram etc. Both PS4 and XB1 have bottleneck CPUs and even a in house Sony company admits it. Mantle is good however it doesn’t offer what DX12 is bringing (yet) which is MS’s way of making there CPU more useful, meaning there removing the bottlenecks. Build a PC and just buy a super GPU and forget the rest of the PC and see how far you go. Your PC/console is only as good as your weakest part.

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            It’s a hidden goldern sword with unlocking in 2017 with stereo dual GPU drivers for DX12. Only Microsoft has the unlocking codes.

          • You are flat out wrong

            You’re my favourite poster. :)

          • Michael Norris

            You need to understand that DX is just another API.OpenGL has everything DX has.Also Sony uses their own custom API as well,PSGL ”playstation graphics language” which they built with Ps4.Sony sis a great job this time,the Ps3 SDK was a mess till 08.

          • cozomel

            Hey ret*rd DX12 is using X1 DX API, so explain to me where the improvement is? Bet you cant explain it to me. What enhancements are there for DX!2 for X1? cuz i havent heard of a single one yet.
            You people are so delusional. It doesnt matter what the facts are, all you nutbags care about is the stupid sh*t y’all believe, regardless of whether its true or not. Well keep on believing stupid sh*t. And the PS4 will continue to whip the X1′s a$$

          • HardcorVegas

            Not delusional… Intelligent. We are the smart ones who chose the best platform. PS4 is a good system no one is denying that. But when you consider what the PS4 does, as well as everything else it doesn’t do… You realize the Xbox one has it all. Now go to sleep, son.

          • You are flat out wrong

            No, he was right. You are delusional.

          • HardcorVegas

            But not as delusional as you.

          • Failz

            How’s Knack?

          • Corey

            I read that it allows the CPU to be freed up a lot better than it has been. I could care less whether that makes it “on par” with PS4. Freeing up the CPU to do MORE is a good thing either way.

            If it DOES make the xbox one more optimized and free up some resources then it’s a good thing.

            Whether it’s “on par” with PS4 is completely irrelevant. I simply don’t care at all about the power of the PS4. Perhaps I will in the future…but I don’t right now.

            it’s just not important. The internet is SO inundated with bickering people it’s ridiculous.

          • Canscrubenha

            Keep arguing about it on every Xbox One articles comment section, you’re bound to prove something eventually.

          • ps4 obliteratesxbox1

            Here you go again with bs comments. The ps4 doesnt need direct x crap. It uses a highly customised version of its own custom made Api thar can do much more then xcrap 12 and if your a cider coding ps4 you’d know that.
            Stop acting like you know wtf you’re talking about as xcrap 12 isn’t the messiah of api s that you seem to think it is – it’s not.

          • HardcorVegas

            Sony makes TVs. Microsoft makes technology. Who do you think is going to win this battle?

          • You are flat out wrong

            After the Windows 8 and Metro debacle? Is that a question you really want to answer?

          • HardcorVegas

            Hmmm … Windows 8 rocks. Use it for all its touchscreen greatness. Hit one button and your back to Windows 7. How can that suck? The only ones who don’t understand that are idiots. i.e. You.

          • Guy Brohski

            He’s probably too dense to understand Windows 8, so he hates it and cries about it.

          • shinitaru

            yeah, it’s great if you use a touchscreen but for people who don’t or don’t want to relearn how to use the UI, it was a disaster. 8.1 is better but still hard for some people to learn. Me, I love things like that, discovering new tricks in each new version is what I live for but when I upgraded my dad’s laptop, he was lost. All those extra features are pointless if the someone doesn’t know how to use them and can actually be detrimental in the worst case for end users.

          • HardcorVegas

            It’s called innovation. Touchscreens are an example of innovation. Isn’t that what the technology industry embraces? At first it it always an awkward fit, but once the experience is improved it becomes seamless. So yes, Microsoft introduced an awkward innovation with the Touchscreen-enabled desktop OS, but in the end touchscreen is a great innovation that will find it’s niche. Upgrade your dad’s laptop to 8.1. Tell him to get real familiar with the Windows key on his keyboard, as well as the Windows+M shortcut (which should get you to the desktop tho I haven’t tried on Win8 specifically).

          • shinitaru

            My dad passed away 6 months ago but even before that it was too late for him to learn how to operate a new UI, he was 87, he simply came from a different time. That’s my point though, I have other clients that are the same way, they learn one way of doing things and that’s it. Its hard to explain to others like us that embrace tech and quickly adapt to change, we don’t understand because we possess the prerequisite skill set, but most people aren’t like that. They had a hard enough time learning how things work in the first place, change one little thing and they are lost

          • You are flat out wrong

            Vita had two touchscreens and that didn’t help it. No one bought a 3DS for the 3D gimmick either.

          • shinitaru

            No, Sony makes hardware, MS makes software. Who’s going to win? We are as long as they both prosper and keep each other competitive. MS has more money so in the end they will probably win. But Sony has been around longer than most of us have been alive, they have serious survival skills.
            As a survivor of MS’ last monopoly, I can tell you right now that the last thing that you want is for Sony to fail but it may happen eventually, if they do, all of you will regret the loss

          • Gt Madden

            no Microsoft for the most part does not make technology. they are known for making software to work on technology. they don’t make the gpu or cpu or ram or even the hardware side of directx12. sony on the other hand is known and has been known for more years than Microsoft has been around making technology. in everything from audio,pc,tv,camers,tablets,and phones, headsets I mean sony is a tech company.. not a software company

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            Who said the xbox one has weaker hardware?
            Unlocked in 2017 when the NDA expires with AMD it’s 8TF (4x PS4)

          • Guy Brohski

            Too bad DX > OpenGL isn’t it? Don’t believe me? look at youtube comparisons of the same game running in both API’s and tell me which one is consistently better.

          • You are flat out wrong

            It’s a custom API built on OpenGL, but nice try anyway.

          • Petey Trader

            Ryse

          • You are flat out wrong

            Sucked.

          • Michael Norris

            Eh Ps4 will always have the advantage when you have half the RoP’s 550+Gflop,GDDR5 ram,software can’t make it up.Also, DX12 won’t do anything for Xbone because the current SDK codes to ”metal”.OpenGL is getting a 15x boost, but it won’t effect the Ps4 version because it already codes to metal.

            What you will see is developers getting used to the Esram to a point.GDDR5 is the better solution,the memory reads are much faster and the best part you have 5000mb vs 32mb.I understand you don’t want anyone to talk crap about your console of choice, but Xderp is right for the most part although he doesn’t read very well…

          • Guy Brohski

            204GBs /sec > 176GBs/sec. I’ll let you think about that for a while as you google the max RAM speeds for each current gen console.

          • ps4 obliteratesxbox1

            You buffoon it doesn’t matter one bit when your entire system is crippled by a much less powerful gpgpu with much less power, less powerful slower out dated flint stone ram and regardless of speed, tiny 32mb esram.
            The whole design of ps4 is superior with much higher rendering potential and hardware designed for gamers.
            I’m a ps4 1st party coder so I do know what I’m talking about.
            Now go face the retard wall an think about why your comments are worthless and irrelevant fan boy garbage.
            Don’t come again trying to sound like you even understand wtf you’re talking about.

          • Guy Brohski

            “I’m a ps4 1st party coder so I do know what I’m talking about.”
            Suuuuuuure you are, lol. Is that why you use such technical terms like “flint stone ram” and “retard wall”. Sony fanboys are such little liars, it’s hilarious!

          • HardcorVegas

            Titanfall pwnes that Second Son bullshit. Tomb Raider Definitive got a higher score Metacritic for Xbox One. Thief for PS4 was inferior to the Xbox One version. Call Of Duty:Ghosts sold more for Xbox One. Need I go on?

          • You are flat out wrong

            lmao, another Xchimp who doesn’t know how averages work.

          • Michael Norris

            Lol you miss understood me,I know GDDR5 latency is a non issue.Did you red my post at all? I wrote on about how Esram and DDR3 is holding the Xbone back.Also The Xbone has half the RoP’s which really hurts it for rendering at 1080p which is the reason you have a lot of 900p games,while Ps4 does 1080p besides BF4.

            I know the Ps4 is better,I own one and chose not to buy a Xbone because of DRM and the fact MS forgot about building a gaming console.

          • HardcorVegas

            ESRAM will easily enable Xbox one to achieve better visual performance then PS4. Raw speed … that is the winner, right? Well ESRAM is the fastest gun in the west, baby. Microsoft needs to show developers how to use it. Just like all other technology they created. Once that happens… The PS4 fanboys will have to eat their words.

            Fair enough… This should have already been done pre-launch. But don’t count Microsoft out as they obviously have engineered the hardware to achieve more than is currently demonstrated to be possible.

          • You are flat out wrong

            “Easily.” Yeah, nah. Like the PS3, the only people who’ll bother to use it to spec are first parties.

            Don’t stop believin’!

          • Guy Brohski

            Look up “tiled resources”. Then look up DX12. Then cry knowing that PS4 cannot do either of them, lmao!

          • shinitaru

            look up Sparse Texture then look up OpenGL

          • Guy Brohski

            “Sparse textures allow us to represent these textures very efficiently without wasting precious storage and bandwidth on useless data. Another cool application of sparse texture that we are excited about is shadows. If we can render to sparse textures, then we can render very high resolution shadows to places that need them and still be efficient…”- Hao Chen, Bungie Senior Graphics Engineer. Regarding upcoming projects on the XB1/PS4. Link:
            http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/134946/all_that_glitters_an_interview_.php?print=1

            Sparse textures aren’t limited to Open GL. It is just as easily achievable in DX11.2/DX12.

          • shinitaru

            “It is just as easily achievable in DX11.2/DX12″

            Wouldn’t that be a bit redundant since tiled resources does the exact same job?

          • Ryan James McLaren

            You are correct about more powerful hardware but its outdated. Ms took a risk with esram and it must of paid off, Xbox one will have more exclusives and launched first than Ps4. Obviously it isn’t that hard for developers to take advantage of the Xbox one hardware. Both are great systems, I have an Xbox one and going to get a ps4 but as of right now Sony has to pull out the big guns on the “better hardware” in the next 2years at the longest before their pockets run dry. T

          • superkarma

            ESRAM did not pay off. Multiple developers (including Crytek) have said how it’s currently a bottleneck for the X1. It will take a few years before developers even take advantage of it, if at all. You say it’s not that hard for developers to take advantage of the X1 hardware…meanwhile, developers say the opposite. Also, if you’re going to say the PS4′s hardware is outdated, you might as well say the X1′s hardware is outdated as well…because it is. Every console’s hardware is and always will be outdated. That’s a simple fact of life.

            As for your “X1 will have more exclusives” laughable claim…what proof do you have to claim that nonsense? Since when has Xbox ever had more exclusives? Microsoft doesn’t even come close to having the amount of first party studios that Sony has. They have to pay 3rd parties for “exclusives” (that eventually end up on PC anyways) and I doubt many developers will be jumping at that chance, considering how poor the X1 is doing in sales and public image compared to the PS4.

            I also like how you snuck the typical fanboy financial argument in there at the end. Don’t worry about their “pockets running dry”. They didn’t post a profit for nearly 5 years, yet they had no problem releasing blockbuster exclusives and a new console that is currently blowing away all competition.

          • MTM2

            “Ms took a risk with esram and it must of paid off, Xbox one will have more exclusives and launched first than Ps4″

            You’re confused, game devs don’t all have a unanimous shared ‘start date’ and race to see who can get their game’s out the door the quicker, they all start developing at different times.

          • Canscrubenha

            I don’t know that anyone expects better, but with some games there is going to be parity between the versions.

            It just depends on what the developers think is the better approach.

            Make one version that is drastically better than the other and alienates some of your fanbase, or make the versions as close as possible and sell as much as you can to both parties?

            I think they’ll settle for the latter rather than the former.

          • Petey Trader

            Ryse for X1 best looking game and it isn’t on ps4

          • forza on ps4…ha

            Remember thief? No? Go play it for ps4. Then go play it on X1. Now tell me that 8fps on the ps4 is anywhere close to the gameplay on the X1. Any computer with amazing specs but shitty optimization and horrible os will be a shit computer regardless it has the better specs. I laugh at the forza on ps4. Maybe it would be like slow motion right? Would never hit cars that way haha

          • Reason Freeman

            What you fail to understand is that you have been reading too many forums and cheerleading articles and think yo are now a armchair developer. You don’t understand anything about this, so don’t pretend to try

          • cozomel

            And the same applies to you

          • NeoTechni

            It is a competition. The winner gets better games

          • Ippoletta

            When PC and Xbox are using DX12 in the long run and the PS4 is not you’re saying Microsoft might win the better games? interesting. i have yet to see what games will look like though. hopefully they show something at E3 using the new API? if that’s what it’s called. i get confused with these terms.

          • Gt Madden

            they did show off the new directx 12 on a titan black. at the time it was a 800 plus dollar card.they ran forza 5 as their test game. now unless someone here is gonna tell me the xbones gpu is better than the titan black. ima say this. outside of what youd expect the gpu of that strength to do on its own. I didn’t see much of a difference in that version and the xbone version. so now that we have all seen it which one of you ms fans wanna keep going on about how great the directx12 will make games look and preform?

          • You are flat out wrong

            360 had EDRAM, which is different to ESRAM.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            How? Please enlighten us the differences between the two.

          • You are flat out wrong

            You’re the expert. Why don’t you? Oh yeah, I forgot, you copy pasted your expert analysis. Silly me.

            In the spirit of copy-paste, I humbly put this forward: “Embedding memory on the ASIC or processor allows for much wider buses and higher operation speeds, and due to much higher density of DRAM in comparison to SRAM, larger amounts of memory can be installed on smaller chips if eDRAM is used instead of eSRAM. eDRAM requires additional fab process steps compared with embedded SRAM, which raises cost, but the 3× area savings of eDRAM memory offsets the process cost when a significant amount of memory is used in the design.”

            So, EDRAM is faster but more expensive than ESRAM, which was used to compensate for the DDR3 RAM the Xbone has which was selected for its more appropriate role in muh apps/muh features/muh broad entertainment box than for games.

        • d0x360

          Yes they should make new engines this is new hardware. Games are still using last gen direct x 9 engines. We need modern tech. We won’t get it proper until devs stop making cross gen games. Old consoles hold new ones back just like consoles in general hold PC back. We need to move on and until we do both ps4 and Xbox 1 suffer which means we the gamers suffer

          • Arnold Stallone

            In 2018, we will come here at dualshockers, and one headline/article will be:
            “Incredible. One insider named famousboat told us that in during 2014- 2015,while Microsoft was actively evolving their tools, their routines, upgrading code and engines, and managed to run gta6 and halo 6 with the cloud power and directx12 , using only 20mb of ram and one CPU core to render the full game at 60 fps and 1080° celcius, Sony engineers were playing crash bandicoot games and watching 4k hentai blurays. Because of that, the ps4 didn’t receive any major upgrade, and games quality couldn’t be any better than killzone shadow fall and infamous second son, two games that already maxed out the system, with no place to any improvements”

            The insider told us as well that a certain ‘Adam’ joined the Xbox PR team as manager, after his successful career during several years as the ceo of DMCA (DaMage Control Agency) and his online show named ‘ shill’s… something’

            If only Sony hadn’t stopped working on the ps4 and making it even better than it already was, at launch….Too bad :(

          • Xtreme Derp

            Just wait for Don Mattrick to flip the special sauce switch, we’ll all be blown away by Xbox One’s true power.

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            yes 2017

        • Vulcanproject

          One system was designed knowing full well that it was made to be very very flexible for developers more than any other system ever created. The architecture from inception was simple, give developers as much resources as we can, and let THEM decide how they can use them best.

          Developers love this.

          This has been historically, and will be even into the future, the best way to create games systems. Flexibility has always been a key factor, it was with Xbox 360.

          One of the poorer ways is to design a system that channels developers into one corner and down one path to utilise the available resources in only a few specific ways because that is the only way you can get optimal performance from the hardware.

          Developers do not like this.

          They didn’t like the Saturn at all. They didn’t like PS2 much either, but had to stick it because it was so popular. They certainly didn’t like PS3 either.

          However one of the new machines is a developers paradise, the other will require some serious wrangling to extract good performance.

          Go figure.

          • Moreno

            You talking about real world AAA developers than are inteligent enough to use the constantly evolving tools and kits being developed by a software titan that is MS like crytek or t10 or even crapcom, or are you talking about smal developers that are just starting making games and still don’t have resources to propely tune their engines, or even talking about crap boycotters like Konami?

            Why do one of the consoles have huge games like Ryse, Forza, Titanfall made by smart developers while the other has, indie games and multiplataforms running better?

            Ass creed, bf and CoD are the biggest money making franchises over there, do you really think they will spend time optmizing it when they know these will sell millions even if its crap?

            Low latency processing, trully multi tasking, instant app switching is great enough for me, games will start looking better, and as I am a winner I will have all three consoles and play all games I like wherever my mood points to, I won’t be hypocryte saying “my console is better than yours” because I can simple have all of them, and a steam box too.

            Ppl should stop wasting time online trying to downplay one brand, being ignorant, and start looking for a job so they can simple afford all consoles and get past the puberty.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            No thanks pal.. I will continue to downplay and expose Microsoft supporters and their ignorance anyway I see fit. And being a fan of Playstation has nothing to about it..

            This is about other people being inept and clueless to the lies and deceit from MS. I sold my 360 back in May and couldn’t be happier to be free of their tyranny. The cancer of this industry..

          • exposing liars
          • exposing liars

            yep

          • You are flat out wrong

            Citing Quatman? Yeah you’re a moron. Kindly crawl back to your sewer. :)

          • ConsoleTruth818

            You associate yourself with that scumbag delusional idiot crapgamer? What a piece of human garbage he is. The cancer of this industry began when MS got into this market, started throwing money around in every direction to buy exclusive content, timed exclusivity, introduced Kinect and let exclusives take a back seat since 2010.

            You have no common sense and are just as deluded as every other xbot scumbag on youtube. If I ever had the pleasure of talking to that moron CrapGamer over the mic I would destroy his deluded ass.

          • cozomel

            oh shut up, what a cry baby. Nintendo, the weakest and most pathetic of all the game companies. With their underpowered and and overpriced systems. They are worst than MS. Nintendo and MS fanboys are the cancer of the industry you hyperbolic lil b*tch

          • Failz

            Link me an article where MS lied about the XB1? Ill start first. Sony lied about Killzone SF multiplayer running at 1080p. http://au.ign.com/articles/2014/03/03/killzone-shadow-fall-multiplayer-doesnt-run-at-1080p-natively

          • You are flat out wrong

            Microsoft: lied by omission about its DRM plans, dumped them all in a Friday afternoon please release; lied about DRM being uneasy to remove; lied about MGS5 being next-gen exclusive on Xbone; lied about Ryse’s resolution; lied about the difference of native and upscales 1080p; lied about the capabilities of the hardware; lied about “cloud power”; lied about the existence of Microsoft Studios Osaka; lied about the existence of a Sakagushi RPG.

            Sony: said the multiplayer component of a game was 1080p when it was 1080i

          • Failz

            You read into 12 year old fanboyism spin. Link me articles claiming MS lied? Because they were up front at E3 last year telling there consumers everything while Sony hid under a rock removing everything quietly. No DRM on PS4? lol well guess what there’s DRM on PS4. 1080p 60 frames in Killzone MP? not true 1080p and 45-50 frames MP. They removed the PS camera in the bundle so they can win your hearts lol. These companies don’t care for you, they want your money. Your as stupid as any if you favour one over the other. The real loser in this generation is you for caring.

          • You are flat out wrong

            They didn’t say anything at E3! They dumped it all in a press release on Friday afternoon. Spoiler alert: that’s what they do when there’s bad news to bury.

            No disc-based DRM you Xchimp. Just because you are ignorant does not give you license to lie. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ-To7WJyWs

            They never removed the camera. It wasn’t in there in the first place because they wanted it to stick at the $399 price tag.

            Nice to see you couldn’t respond reasonably to my points. Truth hurts for you Xscum, doesn’t it? Get out of my hobby.

          • Ippoletta

            Don’t you wonder why ol jackie boy left on a high note? seems odd doesn’t it.? lol. you will learn, but by then it will be too late.

            i’m not one to troll, like you. so I’m gonna leave you to your daily BS spewing. i know you need to make that money for sony.

          • Aaron ray

            No disk based DRM? Tell that to the people who have PS4′s with no internet, once the time is up on the internal clock and you have not made a connection to the internet your disk based games are unplayable until you connect the console to the internet again( This has been known for a while now but Sony fanboys sweep it under the rug). I am surprised that the MS fanboys haven’t picked this up and used it as ammo.

          • shinitaru

            “I am surprised that the MS fanboys haven’t picked this up and used it as ammo.”

            That’s because it’s not a real thing

          • Aaron ray

            Unless there has been a fix in an update, a few friends without internet have to go over to a friends house to connect again or they use their cell service just to play their disk based games.

          • shinitaru

            Never heard of such a thing, prove it

          • Aaron ray

            I don’t have a problem as I have a constant connection but I have thought about testing how long it takes for the internal clock to reach zero and need a connection.

          • shinitaru

            Then why are you saying this crap:

            “once the time is up on the internal clock and you have not made a connection to the internet your disk based games are unplayable until you connect the console to the internet again”

            as if you know what you are talking about?

          • Aaron ray

            None of them have digital copies yet they still have had to reconnect their console in order to play their games. Maybe this has changed in one of the updates but it still doesn’t change the fact that they have had to do this.

          • shinitaru

            Could be…or maybe you’re just talking out of your a$$?

          • Aaron ray

            I have no reason to or anything to gain by making false claims.

          • shinitaru

            Nobody here has anything to gain by saying what they do, but that doesn’t stop them. I gave you the chance to prove it but you didn’t. You are either making this up, or you are repeating some crap that you heard somewhere but never bothered to validate. Either way….

          • Aaron ray

            I do believe there was an update that corrected this and the people in which I am talking about just never downloaded the update and they are in a very small minority, otherwise this would be to big of an issue for people not to stand up and take notice. With such a few people affected no one pays any attention and it is hard to find a site that has discussed this issue.

          • You are flat out wrong

            Incorrect. Disc-based games have no DRM. Digital games can be played offline on an activated primary PS4 with the correct licenses.

            You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.

          • Failz
          • You are flat out wrong

            Correct. They were going to bundle the camera if they could keep it at $399 without sacrificing profit. They couldn’t. I’m glad they didn’t. F*ck cameras in videogames and f*ck people who keep shilling for that crap.

          • coip

            I’m enjoying reading your comments dominating that kindergartener with the ironic name, ‘You are flat out wrong’. Keep it up!

          • You are flat out wrong

            You back to get your ass slapped again? Clueless MS marketers need to be banned from the internet.

          • cozomel

            There is no DRM in the PS4 like what MS wanted to do you buffoon! All systems have DRM, 360 had DRM way before the PS3 even came out. That’s not the type of DRM people were complaining about on X1, it was all the new DRM bullsh*t MS wanted to pull off. You know you MS fanboys just keep sounding more and more stupid by the comment. Talk about fanaticism and desperation. You people will say and make up anything to defend your beloved god , MS. And TF isnt a true 60FPS game either, so should we consider that a lie too? TF is more like 30-45fps game with low res and only 6v6 players. And KZ is 1080, what its not is progressive 1920 (its 1920i), but i wouldnt expect you dumb chimps to understand that. And MS’s whole E3 showing was a lie, they claimed all those games were running on a X1 when in fact they were all running on a windows 7 PCs with GTX 7xx in them, And all the games version were running at 1080p with better graphics than the X1 versions. And youre the one favoring MS over anything else, so i guess by your very on logic, you are a loser.

          • Failz

            Believe what ever you want to believe Clown. You follow a company that relies on others to be successful. Hence why Sony is going bankrupt and Nintendo and MS aren’t. Keep hiding behind a wall of PS because there just as bad. MS never claim TF would be 60 frames, that’s Respawn, there’s a difference however Sony said Killzone was 1080p SP and MP and MP at 60 frames. FLAT OUT LIE. Keep believing. That’s what Sony do best, make people believe.

          • coip

            So announcing their plans in a press release is lying by omission? It sounds like the opposite of that. As for those other lies you came up with, none of that happened.
            Sony lied about Killzone and marketed it as native 1080p when it’s not. That’s a lie. The other stuff you mentioned is either wrong or really stretching (lying about the existence of a Sakagushi RPG, oh brother).

          • You are flat out wrong

            They didn’t go up on E3 like you Xbot scum said either. Which means you Xbot scum lied. What a shame.

            All of that happened. Look it up. Every one.

          • coip

            I don’t need to look it up because I don’t care. All I care about is playing fun games. Xbox One allows me to do that and a bunch of other fun things too. It’s great. You need to get over your bias. It’s consuming you. And it is very weird.

          • You are flat out wrong

            “I don’t need to look it up because I don’t care.”

            Figures as much. Worthless shill.

            MS nearly killed the industry with the Sh*tbox Done. I’m glad you lost. :)

          • coip

            Microsoft and Nintendo are the only companies innovating in the console hardware and software industry. Sony is the epitome of complacency. They hold the industry back with their myopic focus on greed whereas Microsoft actually seeks to improve the state of the industry (e.g. using Kinect to help deaf gamers play online with other gamers). Conversely, Sony releases boring, half-hearted spec upgrades to already boring consoles. New features are few and far betwen. Yawn.

          • You are flat out wrong

            LMAO. No one wants your worthless gimmicky camera no matter how much you try and shill for it, marketer.

            And if we’re talking about “innovating,” Project Morpheus is far more exciting and better than MS’ shitty AR glasses. :)

          • cozomel

            actually KZ’s MP is 1080, whats its not is progressive 1920, its 1920i

          • ConsoleTruth818

            http://n4g.com/news/1287866/major-nelson-rebrands-himself-as-switch-flipping-after-xbox-one-drm-about-face

            This is your friend, Major Nelson who lied to Angry Joe from youtube while lying to the entire xbox fanbase. And this is only one article. Did you forget about this?

            Also that wasn’t Sony that lied about Killzone, it was the Developer. We still don’t know if it was just a miscommunication or an outright lie.

          • cozomel

            Dude MS tried to pass of all the PC versions of the games at E3 as the X1 versions when they werent. Ryse was on a PC at E3, as was KI, Forza and DR3 and BF4. All running at 1080p and with better graphics than the X1 is capable of. They tried to deceive us into thinking those superior versions where the X1 versions when they clearly werent. So f*ck you fanboy morons, and keep falling for and accepting MS’s bullsh*t and lies. Like,… the PS4 wont be more powerful, LIE! The Cloud will make the X1 3x more powerful, another LIE! Letting the dGPU fiasco go on for as long as they did. More deceit! And now with DX12. The lies and deceit never stop with this company. And whats the best you clowns can come up with? shit from 7 years ago. But its ok for MS to fool y’all now? You people are the true fanboys, you’d have to be to worship this company as much as y’all do.

          • Ippoletta

            Being a fan of sinking sony, has everything damn thing to do with it. who the hell are you kidding?. you fanboys have zero credibility. just pumping hot air. you get thumbs up from like minded shills. not level headed and mature people.

            sony lies to your face and you still don’t see it. i’m not even gonna waste my time on you,

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Sony isn’t sinking moron.. You are completely delusional. I have more credibility based on the fact that I wasn’t stupid and ignorant enough to still be supporting them than you have in your fingertip.

            Sony lies too this is correct and I do see it and acknowledge it while also calling them out for it. You’re just completely in denial about all the crap MS has pulled over the years which is 10 fold over anything Sony has done. The two companies can’t even be compared because MS lies and deceives their customers well over twice as much as anything Sony did.

            You need to take a look in the mirror kid and wake up.

          • coip

            Ignorance about what? The fact that the X1 exclusive games library dominates the PS4 exclusive games library? The X1 has better games. No debate. And that’s all that matters to a real gamer.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            No the x1 doesn’t have better games coming. When history repeats itself PS will have twice the exclusives MS could ever dream of “Buying out”. Just like it was last gen when Sony spanked them for all their worth with exclusives.

            No debate my ass.

            Ignorance about what? How about the fact that MS has their own agenda and gave you guys a gimped under powered jack of all trades master at none gaming console. Then they lie about the DRM being able to be reversed, Treated us all like criminals by introducing these restrictions, and hiding 80+ features behind a paywall.

            Microsoft fans are completely ignorant.. they have no principles.. Period.

          • coip

            X1 has way better exclusive games right now. PS4 has one good AAA exclusive worth playing (Infamous). The X1 has 8 great AAA exclusives (Dead Rising 3, Forza 5, Killer Instinct, Peggle 2, Plants vs. Zombies: GW, Titanfall, Project Spark, and, within days, Kinect Sports Rivals) and many more solid 6 AAA exclusives (Ryse, Crimson Dragon, Zoo Tycoon, Max: Curse of Brotherhood, Halo: Spartan Assault) , all of which are better than the PS4′s remaining AAA exclusives (Knack, Killzone). You keep talking about ‘the future’, ‘the future’–I guess that’s why Sony chose the “Greatness Awaits” slogan, because you’re all still waiting for games on PS4 when X1 has dozens).
            MS has their own agenda? They have the same exact agenda as Sony: to make money. Don’t be naive. I won’t even get into your naivete about the “DRM” nonsense. They offered a much better system than the current ones in place (Steam, iOS app store, etc.), but I doubt you’re vehemently objecting to those services either).

          • shinitaru

            you two bltches need to get a room

          • Corey

            no….they just need to shut up and get a life. Like holy freakin’ crap.

          • shinitaru

            I know, I have trouble telling which one is worse

          • ConsoleTruth818

            No MS does not have the exact same agenda as sony. They did not create a gaming system.. They created an all in one entertainment box that was ill conceived and poorly thought out from the getgo.

            As far as the other services you mentioned, IOS, and steam goes.. I don’t use them. I only game on consoles, not glorfied tech devices like PC tablets and mobile.

            The only thing I agree with you on is the fact that yes, both of them are here to make money. And yes people have convienently forgot what they tried to pull and this is exactly why I think Microsoft supporters have no backbone, no self restraint, no principles and less integrity than those of us who stood up and took a stand by jumping out from their nonsense and to a much more consumer centric company like sony.

            Maybe if you heard me call Sony out last gen about how stupid it was of them to not be charging for PSN you wouldn’t think I’m some 1 dimensional fanboy.

            BTW, I only write this much towards people who are not insulting and seeing as you’ve been very mature with me so far, I’ll be more than happy to discuss this with you.

          • coip

            The end goal is the same: Sony wants your money, Microsoft wants your moeny. Buying into Sony’s propaganda that they’re “more for the gamers” just makes you look like a tool, especially because the X1 HAS BETTER GAMES. Microsoft has done a better job at games, and they’ve done a better job at all the other features. Claiming that you’re not interested in the other features just makes you look like fanboy. More people used the X360 and the PS3 for non-gaming purposes than for gaming purposes. Just because they can do more than just play games doesn’t mean they are less focused on games (the superior games lineup of the X1 is proof of this, as it has better exclusive games AND more non-gaming features. It’s a win-win).
            Saying Microsoft supporters have “no backbone” because they buy into your absurdly naive objection to their better policies just makes you look biased. Microsoft supporters support X1 because it has better games and because it has better features. The PS4 is comparably boring and spartan in comparison. Anyone who would buy a PS4 over the better X1 is lost. Going on an on about “DRM” and “principles” just makes you look naive. Microsoft had a vision to take a very popular distribution system (Steam) and make it better. A small, vocal minority of gamers who were uninformed objected to that and Microsoft quickly changed their policies to satisfy them. If anything, they should be commended for listening to (naive) consumers rather than continue to put up with some silly grudge by gamers like you who would hate them no matter what they did. Microsoft has innovated gaming way more than the complacent Sony has; that’s why they get my vote of support. I’m not impressed with Sony’s ‘just skating by’ attitude at all.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            No Microsoft doesn’t do a better job with games, they are one dimensional.. Shooters, shooters, bro gamer shooters. Sony is more for the gamer and they proved that. Whether or not they switched things up at the last minute or not it doesn’t matter.. They played on MS’s mistakes and won the hearts of gamers while Microsoft was too cocky and arrogant and controlling while speaking to us through a bubble and in a parental manner to try to tell the world of gamers what’s best for them.. Don’t go giving me this nonsense.

            Also don’t go telling me I don’t use features because I do.. Netflix, HboGo, Youtube, Crackle, Hulu+, Amazon and WWE. It doesn’t matter because it’s clearly obvious Sony puts this stuff secondary while MS has purposely put this up front while gaming takes a back seat.. If you don’t see this at all, You fall into the same inept and gullible brood I’m speaking about here.

            And as always MS supporters have no backbone or integrity. They either forgot everything happened, didn’t even know about it, or just didn’t care.. Either way for any of these 3 reasons, the MS fanbase and culture is made up of Naive puppets that willing open their wallets to these crooks despite all the tell tale signs that are still there with their desperation and lies. Of course this makes me look bias, and It should because I am. But there is being biased while still calling out BS no matter what brand does it.. and this is who I am.

            I don’t care for your silly subjective opinions about better games and better system.. You’re lost and it’s as simple as that. Anyone who would support the X1 over the PS4 lives in a world where their feet aren’t planted in Reality.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            The x1 does not have better games.. I guess you don’t realize that 1st party titles make up less than 10% of what we play right? You do realize that muliplats make up the other 90%? With that being said, Your statement about better games makes no sense when Sony has a history of spanking Microsoft’s ass when it comes to exclusives and it can only be assumed the same thing will happen now..

            But here is the kicker..

            All we have seen so far is that Multiplats suck ass on your console of choice and everything points to this! So in essence, Your statement about xbox having better games is not only subjective it’s clearly delusional when you consider that multiplats make up 90% of what we play and X1 is going to be getting the inferior ports just like PS3 did all last gen. Your agrument doesn’t hold water because it’s subjective and the fact that you don’t take other things into consideration.

            A small vocal group was against the DRM policies?

            Are you effing kidding me kid? I guess all that drama over the internet from May through June of last year was a vocal minority too? This statement of yours proves you are as out of touch with reality as I thought.. And then you have the nerve to call them uninformed? LOL NO ANYONE THAT WAS IN FAVOR OF THOSE POLICIES not only isn’t informed but have a major malfunction in their thought processes and way of thinking.. so much so that I’m sure they believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny as well.

            Silly grudge? Let me explain something to you child.. I’m a collector! I own nearly every gaming platform since the Atari 2600 and I am also a retro gamer.. When your shit stain friends at MS came out and told me that they were going to DENOUNCE MY OWNERSHIP OF DISK BASED GAMES.. I WAS PERSONALLY OFFENDED.. That alone was enough reason for me and any SANE INDIVIDUAL TO GIVE THEM THE MIDDLE FINGER but you were still too stupid to get it.

            Microsoft hasn’t innovated with squat pal.. Please provide a link of anything they did well for this industry besides provide us with faster download speeds, and smoother, more secure and reliable network… NOTHING PAL.. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

            I can’t believe you are this ignorant to say Sony is just skating by when this is exactly what Microsoft has done out of desperation since the Resolution Gate and disparity problems started showing up. Give me a break, you are clearly lost in whatever land of rainbows and butterflies you live in.

            To me skating by is showing desperation and that’s exactly what MS has been doing since November:

            1. Being stupid enough to ship a system that was 3 steps back from the 360? No voice messaging, Broken Party system, No battery indicator, and no HDD management

            2. Gimping the Kinect camera to squeeze 8% more power out of it due to their poorly conceived design of this jack of all trades master at none system.

            3. Paying youtubers to say nice things about the console because Sony has and still is smacking them around in sales.

            4. Offering trade in programs for PS3′s.. No other corporation would ask for the competitors’s console as compensation and this further proves exactly what I’m talking about with the utter scumbags at Microsoft… They are desperate!

            5. Claiming the Cloud, SDKs and DX12 is going to save their underpowered console when every technical minded person knows you can’t change hardware that is already gimped. My friend is a hardcore PC gaming enthusiast and he tells me Microsoft is just blowing hot air with this.. just like they have been since the begining of windows.

            Normally I can respect a difference of opinion but you are so far gone and simply don’t live in the same reality as us Sane minded consumer conscience adults do and you never will. You’re entire image of Sony is tainted by your own delusions of grandeur and is only rivaled by your how Naive and optimistic you are that MS is going to pull this around.

            Sony supporters are just more intelligent and have a better head on their shoulders and not in the CLOUD like Xbox fans do.. This is Irrifutable Scientific Law based on the fact Xbox fans simply can’t think for themselves.. Bunch of Muppets.. all of them.

          • coip

            The X1 does have better games. It’s not even debatable. These are the AAA exclusives on PS4 right now: Infamous, Knack, and Killzone. Only one of them is good. Here are the AAA exclusives on X1 right now: Killer Instinct, Forza 5, Dead Rising 3, Ryse, Crimson Dragon, Zoo Tycoon, Peggle 2, Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare, Titanfall, Project Spark, and, in a few days, Kinect Sports Rivals. Six of those games are absolutely superb (KI, Forza, DR3, Peggle 2, Titanfall, and Project Spark) vs. 1 on PS4. You can talk all you want about the hypothetical future, but that’s beside the point because it’s hypothetical. The here and now is all that matters and the X1 library is better–much better.

            Saying the multiplatform games “suck” on X1 is FUD. They’re all very good games. Minute differences in resolution do not change that, and if I cared so much about eye candy I’d be on a PC not on any of these puny consoles.

            Yes, a small vocal minority. There were tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of people complaining. 81 million people own Xbox 360s. Tens of thousands vs. tens of millions is a tiny minority. Math.
            Lies. If you were truly a collector you wouldn’t care about selling used discs. Collectors don’t sell. They collect. Discs would’ve still existed to put on your shelf. That said, I don’t care about the cases on your shelves. I want a digital future: no disc insertions, no scratched discs, being able to say “Xbox, go to Dead Rising 3″ and have it go immediately is much better. Add in the family share plan (I can share with 10 people, simultaneously, across the fricken globe, and still play the game on my own console vs. you having to physically hand a disc over to someone–1 person–locally, and then not be able to play it? Microsoft’s plan was much better). Being able to sign into any X1 on the planet and access my entire gaming library? Much, much better than game cases collecting dust on your shelf. Get out of here with that physical media crap, Luddite.

            What has Microsoft done? I can name dozens of things. I’ll focus on just one, though, for the sake of space, and it’s one that you can’t argue against or you’ll look like a jerk: using the Kinect for real-time sign language translation that will enable deaf gamers to interact online with other gamers (and this has had wonderful side effects by offering real-time sign language translation for deaf when visiting doctors and getting medical treatment). What has Sony done? Boring half-hearted spec upgrades and ripoffs of Nintendo and Microsoft technology? No thanks.

            The rest of your comments are wrong too, but I’ll focus on the most egregious one: your assertion that they paid YouTubers to lie. That is libel. They’ve already proven that it was an outsourced marketing campaign. Machinima was 100% in charge of the campaign and Microsoft had no involvement. Stop spreading lies. In contrast, Sony actually did get in trouble for paying reviewers to lie about Sony-produced films a few years ago. Also, they covered up the massive PSN hack that exposed personal data for tens of millions of customers. Yeah, I think I know who I’d trust with my data and it ain’t Sony.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Xbox does not have better games.. anything subjective is debatable.. make sure you understand this first.

            I’ll never understand how anyone who embraces this digital future because they have no sense. Sorry pal, but I prefer game disks, cases and manuals.. Tangible media that is Not bogging down my HDD space and I actually own my games. I’ll tell you one thing, I have never bought digitally on the 360 unless I had to and I sure as hell never going to buy anything digital EVER if there is a disk based option. I don’t give a damn if the digital version of a disk based game was half the cost or even less.. I will ALWAYS BUY ON DISK until everything goes digitally. That’s not to say I don’t buy digital games.. there were too many great XBLA games that I bought on 360.. Over 100 titles I own digitally on 360 and only time will tell in a few years when the 360 servers are shut down if I can even play them or not. Why? Because of the the way stupid Microsoft handles title updates in their temporary cache. As you know nearly all updates are stored on that cache except for a very small number of titles.. In fact the only Retail game I own out of 63 360 games that does store the title update on the HDD instead of that stupid cache was Id software’s RAGE.

            You see, PS3 did this right.. they store all title updates on the HDD.. Microsoft chose not to do this.. Microsoft doesn’t believe we keep our consoles over the years and a lot of us like to revisit old games 20 years later because I know I do. So what I did was I updated as many games as that stupid 360 cache and hope the ones I still haven’t played yet (as well as all my XBLA games) actually work without being connected and getting the title update. This is just another lame brain poorly thought out decision by Microsoft who doesn’t look at future proofing anything and god knows Sony is going to be supporting their PS3 for much longer than your corporate criminal friends at MS will ever support the 360. You see my point yet?

            As far was what you said about being able to sign into any xbox on the planet with your account goes.. You do know you can do the same thing not only on PS4 but PS3 and 360 as well right? This is nothing new bud.. nothing new and nothing that Microsoft started. Microsoft’s plan is not much better. And I wouldn’t know about steam because I’ve never visited the steam website in my life because I simply have no interest in PC gaming and make believing that I actually own digital titles. Sorry, I don’t want no part of it and there is a majority that feels the same way as well.

            LOL that backlash wasn’t a vocal minority.. that is just your own xbot delusion.. You really need a reality check on that one bud.

            The rest of your drivel is also totally false.. I don’t believe for one second and it was never proven that MS didn’t have anything to do with Machinima.. You’re just talking out of your collective ass again like most deluded xbox supporters do..

            I agree with you on one thing.. I also trust XBL over PSN when it comes to my security.. Hell there is something going on with PSN right now and I’m having trouble watching the WWE hall of fame ceremony on the app because of this shit.

            Oh and for the record, MS doesn’t care about handicapped gamers, much less south paws. This sign language thing I’m sure will never happen and will become another failed promise and lie just like Milo and Illumiroom.

            I would love so much to debate with you over the mic but you don’t own a PS and I don’t do Skype because it’s a MS service. If you ever feel up it I’d be happy to in Google hangouts though.

            It’s hard not to be insulting to you because your thinking is misguided and biased. The difference between me and you is I can give credit where credit is due with 360 but your X1 console is just one big disaster.. Everything from the interface to the install times.. It’s a pitty that this gen is going to be a polar opposite of last gen and you will be the one suffering.

            Also don’t give me shit about these so called minor differences, Tombraider itself isn’t just minor differences these are drastic differences just like the drastic differences with PS3 vs 360 multiplats which I can prove with my own experiences renting them. You are seriously just as much in denial about the multiplatform problem as the PS3 fanboys were I used to troll back when I was a 360 fanboy.

            Oh and no.. No one tried to cover up the PSN fiasco of 11.. Where in the blue hell do you even get your information?

            I can go with you forever on this stuff.. so be prepared for that. But from now on I’m only doing one of these replies a day.. maybe 2.

          • coip

            Xbox One has better games, and more of them. You want to try telling me that Knack, Killzone, and Infamous combined are better than Dead Rising 3, Killer Instinct, Forza 5, Ryse, Peggle 2, Plants vs. Zombies GW, Titanfall, and Project Spark combined? Really?

            Shows what you know: every major platform–PC, PS4, and Xbox One–all REQUIRE mandatory game installations on the hard drive. So this “not bogging down my HDD space” claim you make? It’s wrong. Know your consoles. As for “owning” the content. You’ve technically never owned it. You just own the license to use it. And I’d much rather own all my stuff digitally, able to be played on ANY Xbox One across the globe than haul around a bunch of discs in a duffel bag. For the same reason people aren’t lugging around CDs anymore, physical media is dead. Get over it.

            I don’t care about the Xbox 360. We’re talking about the Xbox One.

            It was vocal minority: tens of thousands < tens of millions. "I was at E3". Good for you but E3 is not a representative sample of the mainstream consumer. Neither is a bunch of nitwits on gaming websites on the World Wide Web. Step outside the box. Most people wouldn't even know what you're talking about, let alone care.

            " I don't believe for one second and it was never proven that MS didn't have anything to do with Machinima". I'm sure you don't: that's called denialism and it's something that biased fanboys have a hard time with. Here's some proof for you, since you don't know how to do your own research (Update 2 absolves Microsoft of all blame): http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/01/21/report-microsoft-paying-youtubers-for-positive-xbox-one-coverage

            I would never use Google Hangouts or any Google product for that matter. They are the most hypocritically evil company in the tech world and it doesn't surprise me that you would use them. You're full of all sorts of ignorance.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            No son, you’re full of yourself and your blinded delusions.. Why in the blue hell do you insist on trying debate a subject that is subjective? You can’t win an argument based on opinion kid.

            And yes I will easily argue that Knack, Infamous SS and even Resogun are easily better than Ryse, Forza, that stupid game Project spark which isn’t a game (just like minecraft) but a level editor,plants vs. zombies (which is a multiplat dummy) and the bro shooter COD crap with mechs TitanFall. I would never buy a game like Titanfall because I’m done with the bro gamer military shooter mentality. Furthermore I would never buy ANY GAME THAT DOESN’T HAVE A SINGLE PLAYER CAMPAIGN.. Remember, I’m a collector right? Titanfall will be a brick after a few years just like the digital game Battlefield 1943 of last gen. I absolutely pitty people who are so entertained by MINDLESS ONLINE NONSENSE. And most of these bro gamers aren’t intelligent enough to enjoy something like a fantastic RPG with a great storyline.. No, they would rather just act like idiots online.. This is the disgusting bro gamer culture that the xbox brand birthed and it needs to die.

            So yes, I can easily argue that PS4 games trounce X1 games when it comes to my preferences and what I want to play. I also find it desperate of you to keep going on about this because like I said, I CAN EASILY TELL YOU I PREFER THE PS4 LINE UP BETTER. You know what the funny thing is? I have 25 games to play through on PS3 before I buy another PS4 game again anyways! I probably wont buy another game on either system until I finish what I already started and that’s going to take till the end of of the year easily if not more.

            “Shows what you know: every major platform–PC, PS4, and Xbox One–all REQUIRE mandatory game installations on the hard drive. So this “not bogging down my HDD space” claim you make? It’s wrong. Know your consoles. As for “owning” the content. You’ve technically never owned it. You just own the license to use it. And I’d much rather own all my stuff digitally, able to be played on ANY Xbox One across the globe than haul around a bunch of discs in a duffel bag. For the same reason people aren’t lugging around CDs anymore, physical media is dead. Get over it”

            You are truly an idiot! Shows what I know? I obviously know more than you because you are COMPLETELY WRONG KID! No not every major platform saves game updates to harddrives! Every single game on my 360 (this includes 63 retail titles and 111 Arcade games) saves the updates to the cache.. you silly idiot! You don’t tell me shit on this subject because you simply have no idea what you are talking about and you’re making yourself look even more stupid! Out of all those games only 6 games save the title updates to the HDD.. Keep spewing your lines of bullshit because you aren’t fooling nobody and I know the truth.. If you want to lie out of your ass again on this, I’ll come right back with links that prove my claim. You simply have no idea what you’re talking about.

            Also, I’m talking about Title updates eating up my HDD space moron, I’m talking about digital games that are 3 to 10 GB! How in the blue effing hell could you possibly get that confused are you stupid? Title updates are always no more than about 50mb at best from everything I’ve seen on PS3, PS4, and 360. So again, let me speak slowly and clearly so you understand.. I AM TALKING ABOUT DIGITAL GAMES EATING UP MY HDD SPACE NOT TITLE UPDATES.. Get a grip!

            You’re also horribly confused about physical media being dead. Do you think movie enthusiasts like my self are ever going to accept digital movies on 10 TB harddrive set top boxes in the future when streaming can never compare to the lossless sound and video quality of a blu-ray disk? GTFO! Also if you stopped to think about what you said, you’d realize that digital games are marketed towards casuals who never keep their systems.. like little Timmy Dipshit who buys a used game at gamestop, plays it running from point A to point B and finishes it in 3 days like a moron and then returns his shit for yet ANOTHER USED GAME.. I swear on my mother, I will never understand this dipshit mentality of people who do this and people who embrace the digital future when there is still a physical option. Personally I think you guys are idiots.

            And what are you going to do when the Downloadable games reach 20 gigs like retail games do now.. TR DF edition was 17 GB on PS4. Oh but I guess you’re one of these morons who just deletes their games once they are finished with them huh? Funny how I never deleted anything I ever bought on 360 and still have 30 gigs left on my 320 GB HDD. Seriously you must be in your 20s if you would rather own things digital over physical.

            Now we bring up your so called vocal minority which you called nitwits. Well apparently the nitwits have more common sense than you because you were stupid enough to buy an X1 in the first place! You say most people didn’t know about it and most people wouldn’t care? Well guess what? YOU JUST DESCRIBED THE ENTIRE XBOX DEMOGRAPHIC IN A NUTSHELL! A bunch of nitwits who don’t care either way and who are blind to everything they did right in front of their stupid faces.. Let me tell you something kiddo.. ANYONE and I mean ANYONE who didn’t mind that DRM is a gullible inept moron with no self respect or integrity.. PERIOD.. if you are too deaf dumb blind and stupid to see it.

            You tell me I don’t know how to do my own research? Kid I’m old enough to be your father you idiot! That was a nice little IGN article you provided but I sure as hell don’t believe me.. Find me another and then we’ll talk again.

            You don’t use Google products because they are considered an evil company in the tech world? LMAO I’m sorry kid but I don’t keep up with the tech world and the opinions of a bunch of nerds online isn’t going to change my decision to use a product that I love! And trust me, Android > Iphone and always has been. Can you honestly tell me you would rather trust the NSA enabled SKYPE as opposed to google hangouts? You’re a riot and you wouldn’t have the set to debate with me anyway.

            The only person here that is full of all sorts of ignorance and denial here is you.. And as AI said above, I find it hillarious that you continue to try to prove to me that a subjective opinion can be debated. That is called ignorance and desperation on your part.

            The next time you reply to me take your head out of Nelson’s rear and step out of the box yourself! You are so deluded with the fact that Physical Media is dead, that your games are better, that you have more useful features, that Microsoft does no wrong and that your OWN shit doesn’t stink that you have lost focus due to your own bias which is 3x that of my own whether you believe it or not. If I do provide you with links and real opinions about what the VAST MAJORITY OF NITWITS (as you called them) think about your piss poor choice in gaming consoles and your piss poor choice in supporting the most deceitful corporations on the planet next to ENRON.

            I still find it hillarious that you can pan Google and Android products as being “Evil” in the tech world and you still use SKYPE and even worse.. support Xbox Live which hides 90% of the features of your console behind a pay wall.

            The hypocrisy runs deep with you.. that much is a given..

          • coip

            Plants vs. Zombies is only available on Xbox One right now. Thus, it counts as an exclusive till that is no longer true. If you seriously are trying to argue that Knack is better than Forza 5 then there is no point in even continuing this discussion as you are blinded by prejudice beyond redemption.

            So you don’t like multiplayer games? So what? This isn’t about you. It’s about the mainstream gamer and the mainstream gamer effing loves multiplayer games, especially FPS ones, and Titanfall is the best one available right now. Accept it.

            We are talking about the PC, X1, and PS4, not the Xbox 360 or PS3. All three of those platforms (PC, X1, PS4), install 100% of the game and 100% of its patches to your hard drive. The disc is for installation and DRM only. You seriously don’t know this? My goodness.

            You’re a Luddite, that’s why you think people who prefer the convenience of digital media to be “idiots”. They’re not idiots. They’re smart. They recognize the benefits and that’s where the industry is headed. Physical disc games in 10 years will be about as big as the CD industry is now: a tiny niche that no one cares about.

            Google is the worst company. They make crappy products (Android is the worst offender), they steal your data (they’ve been fined numerous times), all while claiming otherwise. They suck. Android is not greater than iOS. That said, iOS also sucks. If you don’t own a Windows Phone that makes you either ignorant (Android) or a tool (iPhone).

            Are you kidding me? I do your research for you and you ask for more? Fine, since you’re inept. Here is one from Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2014/01/22/microsoft-not-aware-of-individual-youtube-contracts-promoting-xbox-one-games/) and another from Polygon (http://www.polygon.com/2014/1/21/5331786/machinima-microsoft-youtube-advertising-deal-typical-marketing-partnership). Here’s the punchline: “neither the companies [Microsoft and Machinima] nor the content creators [the gamers who published videos online] would have run afoul of the U.S. Federal Trade Commission’s guidelines.” So stop spreading FUD. It’s libel. Have some class.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            First off what in the blue hell is FUD and Libel? You sound like a space alien. And yes son, I’m SERIOUSLY SAYING KNACK IS BETTER THAN FORZA 5 BECAUSE IT HAS SUBSTANCE to it’s gameplay unlike racers.

            Furthermore, You’re still a complete moron who want’s digital media over physical media and that right there tells me you don’t have a braincell in your head much less any rationality. Again you speak out of your ass about physical vs digital you know nothing kid.

            Google is the worst company? IOS sucks? If I don’t own a Windows phone that makes me either ignorant or a tool with IPHONE? Do you have any idea how stupid you sound and how many more consumers own Android or IOS than a Piece of shit Windows phone that is only 4% of the market? If that number doesn’t tell you anything on just how deluded you truly are and how out of touch with reality you really are I don’t know what can be said to save you. You’re simply an idiot son,, In denial about Xbox, in denial about Windows phones which have been crushed in sales by both Android and IOS? Kid you are suffering from delusions of grandeur and you still believe that your own shit doesn’t stink!

            And again, I just fired up my 360 right now.. Do you want me to go make a video and upload it to youtube so you can see my 111 arcade games in the system memory and prove to you once and for all that only 5 of them store their title updates to the harddrive? You’re a moron just because some games do and some games don’t do this doesn’t mean all consoles do this. If it’s not every game saving the update to the harddrive, your statement is utter rubbish and null and void. You are a clueless mindless imbecile and there is nothing I can say to help you.

            I hate to break this to you son but again, you speak out of your ass as Android makes up 70% of the market followed by IOS and in third place the POS windows phones. The fact that you could make a statement that one is ignorant for not owning a windows phone not only proves your ignorance to what the MAJORITY HAS CHOSEN AS THEIR PLATFORM OF CHOICE but further demonstrates how out of touch with reality you are.

            Let’s get something straight kid, You have no idea what you’re talking about.. and it’s you who is the vocal minority on everything. You’re in the minority with the Xbox brand, You’re in the minority when it comes to your delusions about about Microsoft, and you’re in denial when it comes to thinking your own shit doesn’t stink.

            Telling others they are ignorant for not getting a windows phone when it has been panned by both consumers and critics across the board further proves how much of an inept moron you really are. Not to mention those articles you linked are here say and nothing more than opinion pieces.

            I have never met such an out of touch delusional gamer in all my life and this exactly why the PSN community clowns on you gimps right and left for grasping at straws with blind optimism that DX12 is going to save your ill conceived console.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Keep typing I’m done for the day.. You’re just another poor deluded X-clown who doesn’t know his ass from his elbow.. and I’m sure as hell not going to sit here and wait for you to type another essay to me when I have things to do today.

            Goodluck with your struggle to inflict ignorance and cancer on the rest of us by showing us all how much of a deluded Microsoft Muppet you really are.

          • shinitaru

            That was me, I thought about replying to you but decided it was pointless….

            BTW: FUD= Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt. Libel=lies

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Thank you.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            He thinks his own shit doesn’t stink.. and that’s the problem. This guy just told me if someone doesn’t own a windows phone they are ignorant for going with Android or IOS.

            I’ve just never met anyone this deluded on here. I know you don’t respect me Shin, but I still have to say that much.

          • shinitaru

            you guys have been going at it for over almost 3 days now. Be the bigger man here for once, just give it up

          • ConsoleTruth818

            I’m the bigger man most of the time, but I don’t like the premise of giving up. Anyone that read our arguments above is going to think that guy is brainwashed anyhow.. Especially with his comments about Apple and Google.

            In the end, he should give up because he doesn’t live on the same plain of reality as the rest of us.

          • shinitaru

            Take it from me as an outsider, you both come off as raving a$$holes

          • ConsoleTruth818

            That’s fine by me though.. I plan on deleting this account and retiring from arguing with xbots for good anyhow.. But this shit will still go on and you shouldn’t be trying to police it.

          • coip

            If you don’t know what FUD or libel are, there is this thing called Bing. It will tell you.

            Knack has no substance. It’s one of the most shallow games I’ve ever played. And saying it’s better than Forza 5, the best racing game of 2013 just makes you look like a donkey. Knack received nearly unanimous poor reviews (4-5/10) and Forza 5 received neary unanimous 9/10s. Don’t be a fanboy.

            Again with the claims that people want physical over digital? I feel like I’m talking with my dead granfather. All industries are shifting towards digital. No one buys CDs anymore and soon no one will buy game discs. Physical is dying. Get over it.

            Market share is not evidence of superiority. Android is proof of that. Anyone who has used all three mobile operating systems would tell you that Windows Phone is the best (fastest, freshest, most intuitive), followed closely by iOS, and then not even on the map would be the god-awful iOS ripoff that is Android. Android is popular because it’s cheap, for the same reason that junk food is more popular than caviar. Ubiquity doe not equal quality. Android is the worst operating system ever made.

            Again with the X360 stuff? Did you seriously not hear me the first 3 times when I explicity said that THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE PREVIOUS GENERATION! I don’t care about your X360 and what it does with digital games. We’re talking bout the CURRENT GENERATION: that’s Xbox One, PC, and PS4. And all of them require FULL installation of a game and all of it’s updates to the hard drive. 100% of all X1 and PS4 games are installe don the hard drive. 100 percent. Got it? That’s the point. Stop talking about any other platforms than those 3 because that was never what I was talking about.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            You’re telling me to use Bing? LOL I use that POS search engine everyday.. but only for about the 20 minutes I’m forced to as I take part in Bing Rewards and am getting all the money back that MS jipped me for 4 the past 8 years! In just two years I got just over 600 dollars in Amazon gift cards which I used to buy Playstation products, Blu-Rays and now I have $150 bucks towards a new 2 TB HDD for my PS4.

            The fact that you just told me to use Bing over Google tells me you are a complete MS imbecile.. The proof is in the pudding.

            Again, Knack has more substance than both Forza and Titanfall combined.. Only an idiot can’t see this..

            Physical media is slowly gravitating towards digital but I guarantee you Physical Media isn’t dying soon.. You are just another one of these idiots that are willing to accept game rentals.

            The rest of your opinions are made up of half truths and assumptions as usual. I only wish one day I could actually meet an imbecile who thinks like you just so I could beat some sense into his head.

            In the meantime, I’ll be using my Android Phone (never a windows phone lol, I won’t stoop to that level of supporting MS products ever again) and my new MacBook Pro when I pick it up.

            Don’t bother replying because unless I see your gamertag or PSN ID in the first few sentences I’m not going to read the rest of your reply. I would love to debate with you over the mic, no swearing, no insults.. just a cool calm and collective manner.

            You either leave a PSN or XBL tag if you want to debate or this ends here as my last reply to you. Keep this in mind before you decide reply to me again. That is all..

          • coip

            The fact that you just admitted to abusing your child by mutilating his penis–HIS penis, not yours–means that I have no desire to talk to you ever again. You’re an ignorant, misandrist, and you should be forever ashamed that you robbed your son of his intact body, you selfish, egocentric sadist.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Just replied to you but apparently the cocksucking moderators on here keep deleting it. I’m going to keep posting this whether they like it or not.

            You are the biggest moron I’ve ever come across lol!

          • ConsoleTruth818

            The fact that you are a deluded uncut dirty animal and you dare run your mouth to me about my son means If I ever saw you, or anyone LIKE YOU who is either against circumscision or abortion, I’d have a field day with you on the streets.

            You’re a complete space alien with unpopular opinions that are so deluded and out of touch with reality it isn’t even funny kid.

          • shinitaru

            wow, is this really the right place for that discussion?

          • ConsoleTruth818

            I always knew this fucktart was a complete idiot.. But now I know he’s one of these bible thumping jerk offs who don’t believe in circumscision or a woman’s right to choose when it comes to abortion. So help me god if there is one, there are some differences of opinion I can respect but keeping one’s foreskin is utterly disgusting.

            Then this mongrel has the nerve to mention my son?

            Let’s just say, I would cave in his face..

          • shinitaru

            I don’t give a f*ck
            13 days, the two of you have been taking up space on this topic for 13 f*cking days!

            STFU already

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Leave a gamertag and tell me this over the mic chump? You disgusting filthy unclean unsanitary human being. You like walking around with a penis that looks like an ant hill? That of an animal?

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Run around like a disgusting unclean animal must be nice! I don’t share your fanaticism and delusions kid.

          • shinitaru

            “….then there is no point in even continuing this discussion”

            But that wont stop you, will it? How long are you two idiots planning on continuing?

            Seriously, I really think you guys should live together a while before getting married….

          • ConsoleTruth818

            If we lived together I would be charged with spousal abuse.

          • shinitaru

            I would if it wasn’t being broadcast in the Recent Comment Section.

            But yeah, you should wait before sending the invitations ;D

          • ConsoleTruth818

            I edited my reply as well as you can see. I’m not in the mood to be rude to anyone today except for Coip. Sorry about that.

          • You are flat out wrong

            To paraphrase Jeff Goldblum: that’s one big pile of sh*t on the Xbone. How the hell is mobile game Halo: Spartan Assault (the only mobile game on any console, funny that) AAA?

          • coip

            Big budget, published by Microsoft Studios, extra online co-op mode, unique pause-and-play feature across 4 platforms.

          • You are flat out wrong

            Mobile game, big budget? You’re not on Reddit anymore. You can’t unquestioningly shill here.

          • shinitaru

            No, not complaints about iOS because I have an Android, and no complaints about Steam because they are a better company than MS. MS was trying to buy the market, luckily for you, it failed

          • coip

            I stopped reading after the “I have an Android” line. Anyone who owns an Android has zero credibility. That is the worst operating system ever made. Only an ignoramus would use it.

          • shinitaru

            whatever. I don’t care what you think of my phone. Does what I need it to.
            You are so lucky that not every Xbox gamer is as stupid as you are though, they saved your a$$

          • You are flat out wrong

            Android >>>>> iOS >>>>>>> Shitdows Phone

            Then again you’re an MS shill so I’d expect that level of stupidity.

          • shinitaru

            Pretty typical that you count Killer Instinct, Peggle 2, Plants vs. Zombies but somehow Resogun, Outlast, and Dead Nation don’t count. KZSF may not be the best ever, but it’s still a lot better than Ryse.
            How about that Titanfall, talk about anti-climatic, all that hype for just an okay shooter with half of the game modes and maps that you would expect from the genre and price. They sold you half a game. Tell me, do you even still play it? I notice that nobody talks about it at all anymore

          • coip

            Because I’m talking about big-budget, AAA exclusives. Killer Instinct (Microsoft Studios), Peggle 2 (EA), and Plants vs. Zombeis Garden Warfare (EA) are just that. Resogun, Outlast, and Dead Nation, while arguably good games, are really no reason to buy a next-gen console. They could’ve worked on the Sega Saturn.
            As for Killzone vs. Ryse. I’ve played both. While Ryse was the best hack-n-slash game on any next-gen console at launch, Killzone wasn’t even the 2nd best FPS game on its own console (Battlefield 4, CoD Ghosts). Ryse was underrated. Excellent story pacing and superb voice acting. Gameplay was simple and linear, but that’s what most hack-n-slash games are. It isn’t the best hack-n-slash game ever made (not even close), but it was better than any other hack-n-slash game that launched on X1 or PS4. And that’s the point. Microsoft did a much better job of getting quality games in every major genre at launch.

            Titanfall, on the other hands, is awesome. It’s the best FPS game I’ve played in years. It lived up to the hype. If you know anything about online FPS games you’d know that fewer game modes are better as it means that servers fill up faster and matchmaking is stronger and faster. Titanfall has plenty of modes (Attrition, Last Titan Standing, Hardpoint, Capture the Flag, Pilot Hunter, Variety Pack). That’s already too many, I say. It also already has 15 maps and more are coming soon in free DLC. Yes, I play it almost every day (although, Project Spark is talking up a lot more time than I had anticipated. Great game, it is). Nobody talks about it anymore because they are too busy playing it and will be for months (unlike the PS4′s only good AAA title, Infamous, which lasted me just under a week).

          • shinitaru

            LMAO, Resogun, Outlast, Dead Nation, on the Sega Saturn…right. Don’t be stupid
            I’m sure that those 15 maps are load of fun while you wait indefinitely for those new maps and I’m equally sure that it will make EA and Respawn decent bank but for MS’ purposes, which was to bring the XB1 to at least equal footing, it failed completely and there’s nothing else on the horizon till xmas, that’s 7 more months tailing, while we get new titles every week even it they are indies, it’s better that the nothing that you’re getting

          • coip

            We’re two days away from another exclusive AAA title in Kinect Sports Rivals. Project Spark also will laumch formally before Xmas and that game is absolutely amazing. Titanfall is also so effing good that it’s more than enough to satisfy until Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Halo 5, and Gears of War 4 come out. I think you’re confused because of the PS4′s subpar lineup of AAA games. They’re about a dozen behind, so they have a lot of catching up to do. A lot. And puny indie title ports aren’t getting hem there. The fact that that is your go-to rebuttal is laughably embarrassing. Yeah, enjoy them. Meanwhile in X1, “Standby for Titanfall”.

          • shinitaru

            Ooohh Kinect Sports Rivals. I stand corrected. You must really be looking forward to that. You really suck at troll, you should take up another hobby, like knitting or something. Lets hop that you really really really like Titanfall, its got to tide you over a long time.

            Did you know that the average metascore of the top 20 Kinect games is 67.15…you enjoy that

            go to rebuttal indeed ;D

          • coip

            Metacritic is not a valid source for anything. That’s like citing Wikipedia in your Master’s Thesis. Your entire committee would laugh at you and probably kick you out of the program. You’ve just disclosed your ignorance.
            The X1 lineup of AAA exclusives is boatloads better than PS4 so I’m not sure why you’re calling it anemic. If it’s anemic, what would you call the PS4′s AAA lineup that has 1/5th as many exclusives? I don’t need just Titanfall to hold me over (although it is good enough on it’s own to do so), because I already have a ton of other AAA exclusives to choose from: Dead Rising 3, Forza 5, Killer Instinct, Pegge 2, Plants vs. Zombies: GW, and Project Spark. Meanwhile, the only good AAA exclusive worth playing on PS4 is Infamous, and that lasted me about 6 days. So I’m not quite sure what you’re bragging about.
            As for Kinect Sports Rivals, there is no other game like it on PS4 so that’s one more notch on the belt of the X1 library for having more exclusives in more genres. I’m looking forward to mixing it up. Playing the same old way over and over it boring. Options are good, especially when they involve getting up off the couch for a change.

          • shinitaru

            I put in 5 miles every day, I don’t need to buy a game to get in shape. Really that’s the weakness of that genre, people buy gaming consoles for leisure.

            I know metacritic isn’t the be all and end all but what else is there? We need a centralized way of determining the quality of games or we are no better off than just asking a buddy what he liked. Its not perfect, but what would be?

          • coip

            Some people like to relax when they play games (controllers only). Others like to be active (look at the popularity of Wii Sports). And yet even more others like the option of having both (voila, it’s the X1: I can do both). Options are good. Who would object to that other than egotists?

            As for Metacritic, it is statistically meaningless because it aggregates reviews that use different metrics, then averages the scores from subjectively deemed professional critics that it falsely equates as equal, and then it tries to standardize these biased scores across incomparable parameters (e.g. genres, production budgets, epoch) that are incomparable, making the scores meaningless. It’s all just a ruse to collect advertisement money. The user-ratings are even more egregious in their violation of statistical rules. A statistically valid alternative to Metacritic does not exist, but that doesn’t therefore grant legitimacy to Metacritic. A garbage dumb is still a garbage dump even if it’s the only garbage dump around.

          • shinitaru

            Who are you trying to convince? Me or yourself?

            Your opinion is just your opinion but hey, I guess the Kinect game comes out tomorrow then we can find out for ourselves. I don’t really care either way. I don’t need an excuse to get off the couch…

          • coip

            I don’t need to convince myself that Metacritic is statistically meaningless: I have a doctorate in statistics and methodology. I was simply explaining it to you. But sure, continue on with your naivete. They’ll be glad for the ad revenue.

          • shinitaru

            Oh, look another doctor. Can’t throw a brick in this place without hitting a doctor, an engineer or an expert of some kind. You would think that all of you would have something better to do than petty, pointless bickering about game consoles.

          • shinitaru

            Here, some light reading while you wait….

          • coip

            That list is missing some great Kinect games like Child of Eden. That said, still are some great games on there. I’m glad to have the option to play a different genre of game. I’m also glad to have the extra features that Kinect brings to “non-Kinect” games, like calling out to lure zombies in DR3, shouting battle formations in Ryse, player substitutions in FIFA 14, leaning to peer around corners in Tomb Raider, and, the best yet, being able to record original character animations and voice tracks for Project Spark. Simply brilliant and much better than the alternative: nothing. Throw in the voice command benefits that supplement gameplay (“Xbox, go to Killer Instinct.” “Xbox, record that.” “Xbox, broadcast”. “Xbox, snap party”) and it’s pretty clear why the X1 is the more exciting console.

          • shinitaru

            Then go have fun, doesn’t bother me that you have games that you like, after all you paid all that money, if you didn’t that would really be sad.
            But you’re not going to convince anyone, not even yourself that the PS4 isn’t just as good, if not better and your attempts to do so sounds of serious desperation

          • coip

            The PS4 is nothing but a boring spec upgrade. There are very few things that it can do that the PS3 cannot already do. In contrast, the X1 has a ton of unique features that no other console has. That’s why the X1 is better than the PS4. I’m not saying the PS4 sucks. I’m saying that in comparison to the feature-rich X1, it’s boring. And you can’t really argue with that, as much as you try to.

          • shinitaru

            Not trying to argue with you, that’s just your opinion. I think all those great “unique features” that you are going on about would just get in the way of my gaming. I have no use for any of it and I certainly wouldnt want to pay extra or give up gaming resources for any of it.
            But if you like it, more power to you

          • coip

            I love all those features. They’re very convenient. There are some things I don’t need (a disc-drive) but I don’t foolishly rant and rant about how stupid it is that Microsoft has forced me to have a disc-drive on my console. Buying big-budget items always incurs additional costs of things you may not like but other people do. That’s how it works. It’s like saying “I am not buying that car! It comes with a radio! That detracts from the purpose of the car: to drive!”. So silly that anyone would object to extra features. Microsoft didn’t build a console solely for you. They built it to appeal to as many people as possible.

          • shinitaru

            Yeah, that’s why it’s falling behind it’s competition.

            You don’t have to pay a lot of extra money for that radio in the car nor does the car have to sacrifice performance to run that radio.

            Your analogy sucks

          • coip

            A car radio costs more than a Kinect. Plus, with a bundled game, Xbox One with Kinect is cheaper than a PS4, so actually my analogy is conservative and your complaint is invalid.

          • shinitaru

            Whatever, you’re boring me now. Thrashing about trying to justify your purchase. Sounds tiring and I have better things to do. Run along and play. Kinect Sports Rivals is out now isn’t it? Disappointment awaits

          • Corey

            the animation thing in Project Spark using the kinect kinda blew me away. Such a cool idea!! It’d be super cool if they make it so you can do your own voices too. That’d be really in-depth and a long process…but ya…

            Super cool ideas! I don’t think I’ll have much time to really get into Project Spark….but it’s a really innovative idea/game.

          • Vulcanproject

            I’m talking about system design, and what developers prefer.

            I’m also talking about why developers will lead (or have more technical focus) on one platform over another, often it is either one of two things, money (either paid to be exclusive/costs of development), or the popularity of the platform in question.

            This is both for large developers, but also particularly smaller ones.

            Smaller developers/Indies often point the way to which machine is really the most popular, flexible and developer friendly to deal with. Largely because if the machine is easier to make a game for, it’ll be more accessible to lower budget developers, with a higher potential financial return.

            Seeing an influx of Indie developers to a platform paints quite a picture of a machine’s flexibility then.

            In turn, this is the platform larger developers are going to be very interested in.

            Again, go figure.

          • cozomel

            So tell me clown, what is low latency processing? Espcially when it comes to graphics? And btw, your comment was basically you crying telling people to leave MS alone

          • Xtreme Derp

            Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

            Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

            PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

          • Ippoletta

            Amen Moreno, look at them.,they run to you like stink on shit. actually they run to anything Xbox related. guilty bastards lol. level headed people aren’t wanted here.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Even if Xbox is optimized for, it will still end up weaker than PS4.

            PS4 is both easier to code for and more powerful. No DMA register ESRAM special sauce will change that.

          • QuazL

            How is that even possible to know? We don’t even know every thing that is in either of the consoles. It takes time to tap the systems, and we know that there is a lot to tap for each console.

          • islan

            “However one of the new machines is a developers paradise, the other will
            require some serious wrangling to extract halfway decent performance.”

            I honestly cannot tell which console is which here. No, actually, they seem to be referring to the exact same console. You first claim that the XB1 is a developers paradise because it offers choice, but that same choice has (so far) stymied developers and “takes some serious wrangling” to understand the tools available, which has caused them to release “halfway decent performance” on the XB1 so far.

            I have only heard developers talk about how easy it is to develop on the PS4. I haven’t heard any such claims in regard to the XB1 (heard it was powerful, but not easy), but I would be more than happy to see them. (I also wonder if no one is saying it because it is as easy to develop on as the 360, so there isn’t anything ‘new’ to praise, whereas the PS4 earns praise for being so much easier to develop on than the PS3)

          • Xtreme Derp

            You misunderstood him, he meant PS4 is easier to code for and more powerful.

          • islan

            The “very flexible for developers” part makes me think XB1, at least from info given in this article, in that developers have a choice of multiple different resources to use for different things … at least, that’s how I’m interpreting it…?

          • Vulcanproject

            I never claimed Xbox one is a developers paradise.

            You answered your own question of which one is which.

          • islan

            Yeah, sorry, that was my just trying to state out my interpretation of what I was hearing.

        • http://www.martinspierings.nl Martin Spierings

          You don’t have to make an entire new engine, you just need to add support for this. Also the big engines will add this too so indiedevs or smaller devs will also benefit from this sooner. So yeah, you might need some more time to think the X1 system through but you still get lots of benefits for this.
          Also know that the SDKs at launch were pretty awefull so that has been fixed too.

      • Lag-Fighting Tactics

        They do know,
        and in 2017 when the NDA expires with AMD they will release the
        unlocking codes so developers’ can use the second GPU.
        Over 8TF of raw power. Take that Sony and your 2011 tech.
        We have a hidden DX12 GPU Engine waiting for professional unlocking.

        • James Fitzgerald

          Your an idiot they have already said many times there isn’t any extra hardware in the xbone, MS said that jesus.

          • shinitaru

            He’s just trolling man.

          • Ippoletta

            And you believe that? obviously they’re going to lie and dismiss it. but who knows, there’s a lot of things they aren’t telling us.

          • James Fitzgerald

            I believe tech sites that have are ready dismantled the xbone. Its like saying you car is really a v12 but you just run 8 cylinders besides that if they really wanted to help sales saying extra hardware was there would do it. Your right about one thinf the B.S. power of the cloud video they are are telling you everything.

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            We have TV watching acheviements, Sony can’t handle that
            media system power.That’s the power of 3 OS’s

          • ConsoleTruth818

            And this is why MS and their supporters are so stupid.. This invalidates GS.. GS should be only with games.. not apps.. Another prime example of another Microsoft failure.

            Please reply back to me so I can chew your words up and spit them back in your mouth please.

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            Been celebrating the power since day one.
            Sony fans have been running sh4t scare since our release.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            What world do you live in? Power to have a few functioning apps running at the same time over that power that could have been used for gaming? I guess when they decided to gimp the Kinect, they weren’t grasping at straws out of desperation for more power huh? I hate to break this to you kid, but your console of choice was a horribly misguided decision on your part.

            When you finally wake up to reality and start to realize that this entire generation will become a polar opposite of multiplatform titles that this generation was, you’ll finally realize us PS fans will be getting the definitive console version of the nearly 70% of all multiplats!

            Oh and just in case you don’t know what I’m talking about because you didn’t own both a PS3 and 360 all last gen.. I’ll tell ya. Last gen PS3 got gimped versions nearly 70% of the time.. I know because I rented and compared a lot of games to decide what system to buy them on. Anyhow, there were pretty huge disparities between the two, especially in games like Ghostbusters, Bayonetta and so many others.

            Oh and did I mention I was fully 360 this entire last gen with the exception of PS3 exclusives? It wasn’t until Microsoft showed their true colors with their reveal and their PR/DRM fiasco.

            I’m sorry you don’t understand that a good many of us jumped ship to a company that doesn’t take advantage of their fans as much and provides less value than what you pay for while hiding 81+ features behind a paywall right?

            Yeah, Reality is coming, we’ll see if you are perceptive enough to acknowledge it.

          • X-BOT

            damn,…. how long have you been working for sony??

          • ConsoleTruth818

            This isn’t about Sony.. it’s about Microsoft.

          • Ippoletta

            Achievements for non gaming apps have no gamer score dumbass.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Hey dumbass! I know that.. So why include them? Like I said, another lame brain decision by microsoft. They still affect your overall completion percentage.. quit talking out of your ass kid.

          • shinitaru

            You crack me up, man. What’s really funny is that some of these jokers are actually taking you seriously

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            Microsoft are under NDA.They can’t say it has it.
            The dark silicon.

          • James Fitzgerald

            No there not keep dreaming goof ball

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            side X-rays are proof.
            And in 2017

          • James Fitzgerald

            Man you are thick as the British say. I bet you believe a driver update would help a gs6800 preform as well as a 750ti too. Im dont wasting time on your retarded ass. Yeah AMD made super extra improvements to a tablet Apu only a fuckin xbox would believe this shit.

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            Xbox is more powerful, handle it!
            True DirectX 12 GPU hardware Engine unlocking soon!
            Learn to handle the 8TF, crush the old 2011 tech SONY GPU

          • Grant A

            By 2017 no one is going to care about the second gpu, everyone will be clamoring for the update to recompile the kinect into a third gpu!

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            keep feeling the fear of hidden power

          • James Fitzgerald

            What fear dork? Of 792p yeah so afraid of a game console grow up short bus.

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            Jokes on you, we never wanted Titanfall at 1080p.

      • cozomel

        oh look another gullible fool. Yeah Ms knew what they were doing, it called being cheap, you morons

        • Xtreme Derp

          That is a known misterxcultist, I’ve seen it post there.

        • Michael Norris

          Yea MS needs those move engines to shuffle around data that’s all they are for.

      • You are flat out wrong

        Maybe if you’d paid attention at reveal, you’d have known about this then like everyone else.

      • Xtreme Derp

        There’s no such thing as these “old engines” and “new engines”. Developers have been using on-die memory, split memory pools, and/or DMA registers for ages including the PS3 and 360, it’s not something new and magical.

        This is just straw grasping secret sauce talk that will never bring parity with PS4.

        • Michael Norris

          read something on Eurogamer about those Move Engines,all leadbetter said was don’t look at em as secret sauce.

          • Xtreme Derp

            They’re DMA registers, common in any system with split memory pools that needs to move data around without burdening the CPU or GPU.

        • Lag-Fighting Tactics

          lets see in 2017 when the NDA is lifted then

          • Xtreme Derp

            Misterxcultists better hope the NDA is lifted a lot sooner than that! LOL

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            why? can’t expire before 2017. We all just have to wait.
            They signed it with AMD. We know it’s more powerful, just wait ing for the proof and enjoy.
            AS we wait, just praise them on this smart move.
            Sony ponies know it’s there, The APU x-rays give the fear.

          • JustGaming

            2017??! Lol!!

      • You are flat out wrong

        “Microsoft knew what they were doing when designing this system.”

        You fuckers have to cling to something, I guess.

        • Lennox

          With that username of yours no one is going to take you seriously.

          • https://www.youtube.com/ButtonBros TheRedButterfly

            The irony in his username is comical. XD

          • You are flat out wrong

            That’s a punishment I will have to take in my stride.

          • Ippoletta

            He is another one who gets paid by sony. he is everywhere. shitting on Xbox. he’s one of the many on my shit list.

      • Michael Norris

        MS wanted 8gb of ram,they figured DDR3 would have to work.Esram is something like having a car with 400hp and nitrous gives it an extra 100hp when used.GDDR5 is like having a 550hp engine that is more flexible to work on.

        All and all Esram isn’t good,360 used 10mb eDram to help with AA,the issue for that is the same issue with Esram in Xone,not enough of it to run at a native resolution.MS should have added in another 32mb 64mb in total.As I said before in time developers will push eSram but it will always be an issue when you are developing a game using a deferred rendering engine, which 95% of the games being made use.

        • Ippoletta

          Microsoft picked what they did for a reason. you don’t know more than they do. why is everybody trying to be a wannabe engineer at Microsoft? so stop trying to argue about it. the games will do the talking like they said. so we will see what E3 brings :)

          so far they needed to bring out the new SDK’s. they’ve done that. but i don’t expect any multiplats that were revealed before hand to be using it.. most retail games were made with the old SDK on old engines so the X1 games aren’t going to perform as well. i heard the X1 was built to take advantage of the newer engines. so again, we will see.

          i guess people should really judge when people start using the new SDK’s, have released DX12 and are using the newer engines. all of that other mumbo jumbo i don’t wanna get into I’m not a techy person.

    • such.wow
      • JumpIf NotZero

        Ha, funny, but no, I’m not a neck-bearded dragon. I’m an EE who designs embedded hardware products. I ACTUALLY WORK with SRAM and DMA controllers, so it gives me a little insight of what I’m talking about… Ironically, nearly everyone here crapping on Xbox must be more familiar with this stuff than I am about obscure low level hardware design… They sure type like it.

        Although, I do find it interesting that you and most people here have to immediately try and shoot down any good news about Xbox One.

        Xbox One at 1080/60 for coming games…. That’s nothing but good news for everyone. You don’t need to defend PS4 because X1 engineers aren’t idiots. Xbox games rendering faster is going to benefit PS4 games by making sure devs work hard on both platforms.

        Funny pic, but perhaps you should reevaluate your composure towards consoles. You don’t have to own just one, you know?

        • such.wow

          No you don’t. Go back to MisterXMedias website.

          • Jessie Bristol

            What does MisterXMedia have to do with how NotZero is explaining how the DMA engines work? Microsoft already explained how they worked months ago. They mitigate bandwidth limitations by moving data very fast through the system at 25.6 GB/s each (and there are four of them). They do not touch the eSRAM or DDR3 bandwidth.

          • such.wow

            What?

          • Xtreme Derp

            It’s related to misterxmedia because he’s claiming they represent some kind of bandwidth/system advantage over PS4 when they don’t.

          • d0x360

            Clever girl.

        • Yo Mama
          • JumpIf NotZero

            Yea, that’s nice. It’s actually more like that faucet having multiple inlets and funnel having multiple outlets… But fanboys will be fanboys!

          • Vulcanproject

            eSRAM only exists inside Xbox One because Microsoft chose system memory too slow for graphics processing on modern games. It’s a patch job, a compromise.

            If you were designing an ideal machine to make games on, it would come out a lot closer to PS4. Loads of unified, fast memory. Not some slow ass DDR3 coupled with this pitifully small amount of embedded memory.

            Because you really want to have to carefully pick and choose, micromanage at all times what assets to cram inside less memory than a goldfish with amnesia, right…?

            All Microsoft can do is encourage developers to code more specifically for their console.

            That might be hard to sell to many developers as the generation goes on if PS4 continues to rapidly outsell Xbox One and be the primary platform….

          • JumpIf NotZero

            Yes… I’m sure the company with 15 billion+ in cash on hand, hiring away engineers from IBM, AMD, nVidia, and everyone else, looked at all the options… Then got into a 3 billion dollar deal with AMD… Just because they didn’t want to buy faster ram.

            You realize that MS could have just built a factory to solely produce DDR5 right? They’re so cash heavy and have some of the smartest people in the field… I’m sure they just dropped the ball when it comes to the 25 billion dollar industry.

          • such.wow

            For someone who ACTUALLY WORKS with SRAM and DMA controllers you sure as hell don’t know what you are talking about. No such thing as DDR5.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            … Really…. We’re going to make a big fuss over a “G” huh…. Ok buddy… That’s pretty sad.

          • such.wow

            Yes, yes we are, because someone who knows what they are talking about would not make that mistake (lets be honest, it wasn’t a spelling mistake, you actually meant to spell DDR5).

          • d0x360

            God you’re a moron.

          • Daniel Lawson

            No… you’re the idiot… there is a significant reason that there is a G…GDDR5 is a DDR3 derivative created for graphic cards… high latency high bandwidth

          • d0x360

            Derp

          • such.wow

            Thank you, care to explain why?

          • d0x360

            Arguing over a missing letter. Impossible that it could have been a mistake! Let’s jump right into calling people dumb!

          • such.wow

            You should read his other comments, he’s claiming to be an expert, he’s full of it, he meant to spell DDR5. You are the one calling people dumb.

          • d0x360

            I don’t really think you’re dumb I was making a point. I mean you might be dumb but how should I know? Anyways… Maybe he isn’t as wrong as you think.

          • such.wow

            The only thing he got right was the DMA, the rest is bull.

          • d0x360

            Jumpifnotzero? He’s gotten pretty much everything 100% spot on.

          • such.wow

            He really hasn’t… He’s trying to make out there’s some magic inside it, there isn’t. Re-read what he’s been saying, he is delusional. One of the thing he said was “and much better performance on games designed specifically for X1 (Ryse and Forza).” Forza is 1080p/60fps but at a cost, Ryse looks pretty nice (Crytech are good when it comes to that kind of thing) but watch that framerate. When DirectX 12 comes out, it will benefit PC much more than Xbox One (it’s going to use things from Xbox One and include them for the PC with their DX12 api, I believe they said it themselves, a more console-like api).

          • d0x360

            Nobody is talking about magic. He’s talking about how hardware works. Its quite simple. Stop believing everything you hear and do some research. Pretend this has nothing to do with video game consoles.

          • Xtreme Derp

            More like 100% delusional and wrong conspiracy theories.

            PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance, end of story.

          • You are flat out wrong

            He’s not an expert. He copied his big post from here. http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durangos-move-engines/

          • JumpIf NotZero

            No, I left the G off intentionally. It doesn’t “do” anything to call one “graphics” ram vs ram. It’s all ram. There is no “other” DDR5 to confuse it with. There is no way to confuse on for the other, because there is no other. GDDR5 is DDR5 the DDR does actually mean something (double data rate compared to original SDRAM), and so does the 5 (specification level). The G is just marketing.

            I saw that little kid lose his binky over someone else leaving the G off, as if it made a difference, so I did too just to watch him lose his shit again. Fanboy does not disappoint.

          • You are flat out wrong

            Damage control!

            Just admit you copy pasted your post from here and we’ll move on. http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durangos-move-engines/

          • Xtreme Derp

            You’re clearly mentally ill, get help.

          • QuazL

            Why would you say that? Is that all you have is these silly one liners?
            You have made up your mind, obviously.

          • QuazL

            You don’t either.
            And MS didn’t just buy all the components in the box, they actively designed many of the parts inside and outside of the system.

          • such.wow

            I am talking about the RAM and CPU/GPU and stuff.

          • Vulcanproject

            You realise that Microsoft are a corporation trying to make profit not build the fastest games console ever made and sell it to lose 500 dollars on each machine? Stupid reply. Microsoft Xbox division: The charity. Lol ok.

            They wanted an entertainment box, not just a box really good at playing games. Which is why they needed something that could cope with their bloated triple operating system, needing enough memory for that meant the choice was made to go with DDR3 early on because that was the only guarantee of large enough modules, at a viable price.

            They DID fumble the ball. They HAVE misread the market so far.

            I thought that the entire past year made that pretty clear to anyone who has watched this whole saga unfold with the slightest interest…

            If you think just because they have lots of engineers and money they can only ever get everything spot on, I can only laugh myself into a coma.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            I’m sorry, is Sony not a publicly traded company anymore? When did that happen? Wow, that’s big news!

          • Vulcanproject

            I fail to see your point. Do you have one?

            What I will tell you though, is that Sony’s machine hardly costs any more to manufacture than Microsoft’s, but is clearly faster for rendering graphics.

            It’s APU die is actually SMALLER than Xbox One’s with less transistors and die area taken up.

            But Microsoft have lots and lots of money and lots of smart people, how could they make mistakes or poorer decisions? They haven’t ever before right? No big corporation has right?

            I’m still laughing.

          • Moreno

            Are you saying MS decisions are bad? Who is getting more profit /year, sony or MS? For every one of the 6mil ps4 sold vs the 3-4mil x1 sold, who do you think got more profit of it? Who is about to be broken into small parts to not vanish as a brand, is that MS? Oh wait…

          • Vulcanproject

            I effectively said that Microsoft’s decisions on their hardware and their PR over the past year have been inferior, absolutely.

            Who is getting more profit from their games divisions is that what you are asking me?

            At the moment, it’s difficult to say because you can’t easily separate finances from the previous generation to the current (new) one. They both incorporate several devices and services into their gaming division financial reports. Although Microsoft’s consumer hardware margins have weakened quite a lot recently, Sony’s have been on the opposite trend.

            Assuming the Xbox division is not sold off as investors seem to want it to be because it seriously underperforms compared to the rest of the company, we will probably have a clearer financial picture later on when the impact of PS3 and 360 sales is not as large on the figures.

          • You are flat out wrong

            Both have similar profit margins.

            That profit might be bigger for the Xbone when Phil Spencer is done with his butchering of studios that started the other day.

          • QuazL

            LOL!
            Bury your head much?

          • Xtreme Derp

            He’s a conspiracy theorist misterxmedia cultist. Start with the wrong conclusion that “Xbox is secretly more powerful than PS4″ then straw grasp for “evidence” that defies all logic, evidence, and reality.

            No different than flat earthers, perpetual motion advocates, or other conspiracy theorists.

          • GK15

            The hate and BS from the PS camp is outta control. Make me want nothing to do with PS4, even tho I don’t hate it, just the PS fans.
            The Build presentation on XB1 is basically a deep dive into the system. It’s fascinating. All of this was designed from the ground up and from the beginning. None of it is patchwork or by accident. These are just trolls trolling and they will never change.

          • Moreno

            Yes hardcore Ps fans are the worse crap, I don’t get where they came from, they could just be happy they have a really great game machine but not, they want everyone else to play on PS too god knows why, and whoever chose to play on an xbox, nintendo, ipad or pc is wrong, what kind of mind is that?

          • punkchobit

            “I don’t get where they came from”

            Cause our machine is factually superior, and you’re in denial of it.

          • Xtreme Derp

            “hate and BS”? LOL. You mean facts and tech knowledge, as opposed to insane secret sauce conspiracy theories. You sure get upset over people smarter and more knowledgeable than you.

            Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

            Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

            PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

            Anyone expecting parity or Xbox games running better than PS4 will be sorely disappointed.

          • You are flat out wrong

            They did drop the ball. They wanted to make a “broad entertainment device” instead of a games console and they made decisions that got us down the path of 1.2TF gimped piece of sh*t. They thought Sony couldn’t produce anything better. They were wrong.

            Not a conspiracy. Just the way things happened.

            They could have built a factory to produce GDDR5 RAM but it would have been an intensely stupid and wasteful thing to do and would have given the shareholders even more reason to ditch Xbox.

          • Xtreme Derp

            LOL. As if MS would build an ENTIRE FAB just to mass produce GDDR5 memory for Xbox One. So stupid it’s funny.

          • QuazL

            He didn’t say they would, but that they could.
            Sony’s only profitable department is the console. Trust me, in the field that I work in they are dying. We are moving on to better products that have better support.
            They will not make it if the PS4 fails.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Delusional, wrong conspiracy theory straw grasping.

            That $3 billion is part of a 10 year license that includes support. They customized their hardware for media and multitasking features that have no effect or a negative effect on graphics performance.

            “They spent $3 billion and 5 billion transistors that means it must have better graphics performance” is an utter nonsense conspiracy theory that goes against all the facts and evidence.

            PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance, end of story.

          • shinitaru

            “All Microsoft can do is encourage developers to code more specifically for their console.

            Which may be what they were going for from the get go, they thought they would be the lead platform again. Backfired on them

          • brianc6234

            No, Microsoft didn’t care about games or gamers when they designed the Xbox One. They wanted it for people to use as an entertainment box. They assumed the gamers would just buy it. But it wasn’t designed for gaming for the next generation. They probably figured the PS4 wouldn’t be very powerful either.

          • shinitaru

            Maybe, I don’t pretend to understand how those guys think. I’ve seen them make several blunders like this over the years with various Windows versions. Lucky for them they had no competition to exploit their mistakes, not so lucky now though.

            Yeah, it seems their industrial espionage division was fed some misinformation, seems like they had no idea what hit them

          • Ippoletta

            You sony fanboys need to soak up your popularity while it lasts because it’s about to be grim for all of you in the next few months.

            the rudest awakening you bastards have ever had.

          • shinitaru

            You be sure to let us know when that happens

          • Ippoletta

            Oh i will. you can bank on that. in the meantime you and other trolls/shills/drones can keep wasting your damn time in articles of a console that don’t concern any of you. damage controlling for sony and nay saying.. like anybody is going to listen to any of you? lol.

            i swear you bastards work for sony. i hope that money is good.

          • shinitaru

            Yeah yeah yeah, same old tired rhetoric. It really must bother you a lot to have to accept 2nd place…so petty. Me? I don’t care as long as I have good games to play, I’m happy. But to people like you, it’s not good enough that you have a great system, you have to have the BEST system. It’s either #1 or its garbage. That must really suck, so exhausting

          • Ippoletta

            Not really, thanks for describing the sony fanbase. Nintendo and Xbox gamers are enjoying their consoles while sony fanboys favorite games are Xbox articles.

          • shinitaru

            I don’t think that it’s even about the consoles anymore rather your dissatisfaction with you own life. very sad. You suck the fun right out of everything including your own system. Yeah, there are those on our side too, if you check my history you’ll see I spent a good chunk of time last night asking one of them to STFU, with predictable results.

          • You are flat out wrong

            Poor bitter little Xbot.

            Unfortunately Build will be over soon so your damage mitigation from Microsoft will dry up soon.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Same old delusional, constantly wrong misterxcultist doomsday prophecies. Just wait for X date, you’ll be sorry! LOL

            Sorry, you’re wrong, you’ll always be wrong. PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance, end of story.

          • Ippoletta

            Yawn…

          • You are flat out wrong

            Yeah, I’m scared of the Sh*tbox Done, an underpowered cablebox with no games. It’s dead, Jim. :)

          • Ippoletta

            Evidently. if you weren’t you wouldn’t be in every Xbox article known to man like i sad before. :) no games? we currently have more AAA exclusive games released kiddo and you know it. don’t bring up indies. nobody buys consoles for those.

            i’m not going to argue with a butthurt drone. it’s useless.

          • You are flat out wrong

            Just in the ones where I get to laugh at how stupidly wrong Xbots are and I can correct them on their delusions. :)

            Garden Warfare? Fighter Within? Crimson Dragon? AAA? Get out of here, Xbot. Nobody buys consoles for those turds either.

          • Ippoletta

            Jesus f***ing Christ. this idiot doesn’t know what AAA means. lol goodbye.

          • You are flat out wrong

            AAA turds like Ryse and Flopza 5 then? Hahahahah! Imagine paying admission price for that crap. You’d have to be a shill to want to do that.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Quoted for the truth!

          • JumpIf NotZero

            “All Microsoft can do is encourage developers to code more specifically for their console.”

            Except that if you look at all the commonality between DirectX12, X1 running real windows 8 now, and their plans for “Threshold” they’ve been discussing at Build…

            It’s exactly the opposite of MS wanting to encourage development towards the console specifically. Rather, they’re entirely aligning PC and Xbox together.

          • Vulcanproject

            Microsoft have tried it for years. They used a superset of DirectX 9 on 360 and carried over a lot of that into DirectX 10. They dabbled with GFWL on PC. It’s not new.

            Microsoft want and need developers to target their console hardware specifically instead of other consoles, because quite simply that is how you get the best performance and support for your machine.

          • defiance187

            dude the xbox is the directx box. its the whole damn concept from conception

          • shinitaru

            Yeah, they have no choice at this point, it’s either embrace PC gaming again or or allow DX to lose ground to new standards like Mantle and whatever it is that Nvidia is working on. They lose that battle, they may as well just pack it in and go home

          • Guest

            They will be the lead platform again with DX12 derp. you sony fanboys need to soak up your popularity while it lasts because it about to be grim for all of you in the next few months.

            the rudest awakening you bastards have ever had.

          • shinitaru

            Maybe….but not today ;D

          • ConsoleTruth818

            No they won’t be the lead platform this gen and DirectX12 ain’t gonna save Microsoft from their ill-conceived console.

          • You are flat out wrong

            Xbot delusion and bitterness.

            Crawl back to your gutter.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Same old delusional, constantly wrong misterxcultist doomsday prophecies. Just wait for X date, you’ll be sorry! LOL

            Sorry, you’re wrong, you’ll always be wrong. PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance, end of story.

          • JustGaming

            Guest lol

        • Christopher

          Way to educate rather than troll back :). Upvote for you!

        • d0x360

          Ignore them. 99% of people who post here have zero idea how hardware works. Expecting them to even grasp how said hardware interacts with code… Give it up lol. Your comments have been spot on and excellent. Microsoft knew what they were doing and by next e3 gamers will be seeing those results. I wish we could see it at this e3 but I have doubt’s. Too many cross gen engines and quick non optimized ports. I have a feeling halo 5 will kick developers into gear if they aren’t there already.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Your extensive knowledge doesn’t save you from being an idiot. And by the things you say, I think we got another scumbag Microsoft/Xbox supporter right here who didn’t even have enough principles or self-restraint to just say no to these crooks.

            Again, anyone who bought that thing and knew what they tried to pull at E3 needs to get their feet grounded in reality.. instead of their own blind faith and delusion in a company as scummy as Microsoft.

          • d0x360

            Uh huh OK. My psn name is d0x360. Check my trophies. I have every ps4 game launched so far. Enjoy!

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Doesn’t matter, If you support Microsoft there is some kind of major brain malfunction. I’m a completionist with a 54K GS on 360 and 140 retail and arcade games completed.. PS3 and PS4 I’m a level 9. Does one gamer being committed to his games make him better than another?

          • d0x360

            I’m better than you. Its simple really. I play games. I’m not loyal to a platform or company. I defend neither I attack neither. I talk about facts. Thats not why im betyer than you in fact it has nothing to do with it. It is what it is. Normally I ignore immature twits but I had a couple drinks earlier so the voice that says ignore fools is asleep. You can prattle on all night If you want. Nothing you say is going to change the fact that you clearly have no idea what you’re talking about. Fanboy be a fanboy. I’m bored.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            I’m better than you”? Well isn’t that typical pastey faced internet nerd logic eh? Boasting about video games kid? You need to get a life because I’m an adult with adult responsibiliies.. more than you could ever know in your current situation.

            No son, I’m better than you because I actually have a backbone enough to say no to Microsoft.. Oh and I’ve never been a PC gamer either in my 35 years of gaming. I won’t go near that shit with a 10 foot pole for so many reasons.. but mainly.. I like console exclusives much more.

            What you fail to realize is that this generation isn’t about the games.. It’s about showing some principles and some self-restraint. I don’t know what your major malfuction is.. whether the DRM mattered to you or not but I was PERSONALLY OFFENDED by their policies and the fact that our disk based games wouldn’t have even been ours anymore says mountains about them.. The 24 hour check in was even more of an insult because I’m a collector and MY PURCHASE WILL NOT BE DEPENDENT ON AN INTERNET CONNECTION.. Got it? Good!

            Microsoft has blatantly shown that they have consistently lie and deceive their customers, not to mention have a nasty habit of abandoning their products and services with little to no notice to the consumer. And now Microsoft has shown just how desperate they are paying people to say nice things on youtube, offering trade ins for PS3, giving titanfall away for free, gimping the Kinect for an 8% power boost and now exagurating the cloud and what it can do? LMAO as I said I’m just more intelligent than you because I have PRINCIPLES, A BACKBONE, COMMON SENSE, and most of all, I’m not a socially inept moron who can see things that are right in front of them.

            And you really want to know what makes me better than you? If my favorite franchises became exclusive to the Xbox.. I STILL WOULDN’T BUY IT.. Again, because I have integrity unlike the mindless bro-gaming idiot culture of the xbox brand.

            Thanks for your gamertag kid, I’d like to see your mouth to me over PSN anytime in a debate on why Microsoft supporters are the cancer of this entire industry.. and you’re part of it.

            Expect a voice message and a Party invite from me soon.. I’ll be looking forward to putting you in your proper place with ease on your own stupidity.

          • d0x360

            Wasting your time bud. You wrote that whole thing and I read nothing but the first sentence. Why? Cause I’m better than you and have better things to do than read your nonsense. ‘Night.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            It took me 2 minutes to type up. LOL are you scared to get your ass handed to your in a debate? If I ever met another gamer who said that to me I’d lay them out son.. Just letting you know.. :)

          • d0x360

            Son…ROFL what are you 16?

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Double that age and then some son.. Oh and don’t pretend you didn’t read it because that’s exactly what I’ll be calling you out on tomorrow.

            Oh and I’m not a black man either kid, I’m calling you Son because you are clearly not on my age level with that comment.. While my comment about Microsoft and their scumbag supporters holds 10 times the merit of what you just said.

            Now run along Timmy Dipshit and continue to finance the downfall of this entire industry..

          • d0x360

            Omg psn members! The horror. Seriously guy…get a life. You are on the internet. I don’t debate you because you are WRONG. I don’t debate you because instead of doing some research you just repeat yourself and call people son like some wannabe hardass. Why would I debate someone who is a close minded fool? I know hardware. Work with it daily. I know you are incorrect. Simple as that. Why argue with someone who has no sense.

          • d0x360

            I promise. I haven’t read it. I stop after your first sentence pretty much every time. You aren’t important enough to read. Sorry kiddo.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Reverse pyschology eh? I’m not important enough to read? LOL I can already see you are a spineless coward that you won’t even reply to my PSN invite?

            It wouldn’t surprise me if your gf wears the pants in your family because you are one easily manipulated and deluded gimp.

          • d0x360

            I’m not joking bud. I stopped reading that one at reverse psychology. I’m being honest. Not reading these.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            That’s because you’re masking your so-called pride with ignorance.. Truth hurts doesn’t it?

          • d0x360

            I’m sorry what? My ignorance keeps preventing my pride from hardassing with you

          • ConsoleTruth818

            You’re a sorry excuse for a gamer.. Supporting MS? Enough has been said about you already.

          • d0x360

            I read that one by accident while scrolling. My gf does wear pants. I’ll accept your invite the next time I turn my ps4 on. Are you gonna crawl out of my TV and hardass me to death? Please don’t my TV was very expensive I don’t want you to damage it. If you promise no hardassing I’ll definitely accept. I know you just want friends so I’m happy to help. <3

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Sometime tomorrow afternoon.. Whenever I can get on.. Get ready for me because we’ll soon see if you can defend your statement about you being better than me.. This will be fun and I’m looking forward to it.

          • d0x360

            I can’t wait to hardass together

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Just expect to be shut down.. because in the real world, not only does that prove how much of a overweight nerd you must be but you really do need an ass whooping.

          • d0x360

            What are you over compensating for friend? Everything OK at home? School?

          • ConsoleTruth818

            I’m going to have fun with you and your smart mouth.. Seems to me you’re compensating for your own lack of integrity.. The fact that you would make such a childlike statement like that proves our age disparities.

          • d0x360

            Clever girl…

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Nice one cupcake..

          • ConsoleTruth818

            I’m overcompensating for not being able to be within “Arm’s Reach” of your arse. It’s a pitty I can’t be because one way or the other, Karma will catch up to you..

            Hope you show boy.. and remember this is about The Deluded Xbox fanbase and your Mellennial baby ignorant comment.. In which case I’ll be shutting you down on both.. with ease!

          • d0x360

            Derp… Derp

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Another sign you’re a mellennial baby. You use words like HerpDerp, Epic Fail, Damage Control and Memes..

            Keep proving my point to me.. and if you like invite your friends because I love an audience.

            Silly silly nerd with no life.. LMAO

          • d0x360

            God you’re sad

          • ConsoleTruth818

            No I’m just going to have fun conversing with you tomorrow..

          • d0x360

            Still don’t get it do you? So so sad.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            No it’s you who doesn’t get that despite your so called hardware knowledge inside you’re a spoiled little boy boasting about video game score and prowness.. This is where you are inept..

            Assuming you dont leave the chatroom, I’m going to hand you your ass.. Deal with it chump because it’s coming.

          • d0x360

            What’s it like being delusional? Is it fun?…at first this was funny but the longer you go the more sad this really is. I’m dead serious.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Nothing you say makes up for your ineptness on what you said.. which is even sadder..

            Of course I know this because I’m sure I have 10 if not 15 years on you geek.

            Me delusional? I’m not the one who supports a company who doesn’t believe the internet is free and hides 80+ features behind a paywall like corporate criminals.. LOL You can’t keep up can you kid?

          • d0x360

            God I hope not. If you are older than I am and still acting like such a tart I’d lose pretty much all hope.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Still can’t man up and acknowledge the fact that MS hijacks free apps to add to their XBL Gold sub can you? Oh I have sooo much more for you tomorrow..

          • d0x360

            Pasted below is a post YOU made. In that post you say you don’t know what a kernel is and that you aren’t into specs. Are you serious? You are arguing with everyone about specs and “schooling” us all and you don’t have a damn clue what you are talking about! Don’t know what a kernel is?! ROFL. This is over. You are a moron. Your post history proves that much. So here we go, below is your post… Mr genius… Enjoy.

            “What the hell is a Kernel? I remember them speaking about Lisa in the movie I just saw..

            Either way, I’m not a PC gamer and have never been into computers or specs so my understanding isn’t that great but thank you for trying to clear it up”

          • d0x360

            Lastly this has nothing to do with Microsoft. This has to do with hardware and how it works. Drop the fanboy bullshit and grow up. We are done.

          • shinitaru

            Why do you keep talking to him, you’re just feeding into his bullsh*t. Just let it go…or get a room ;D

          • d0x360

            I was having fun messing with a boob but I’m done. Looking through his posting history shows he has even less of a clue than I thought. Rampant ignorance. Shame really.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Actually I didn’t come here to discuss this.. Don’t flatter yourself genius.

          • shinitaru

            Yeah but it’s tiresome and it just drags you down to his level. Believe me, you have nothing to prove, anyone with eyes can see whats up

          • d0x360

            Very true. I always hold out hope that some people can be educated or perhaps want to seek truth but its not my place to push them.

          • shinitaru

            I’m just so sick of this sh*t. I’m not a big fan of MS either, I’ve never once even owned an Xbox. I’m strictly PS/PC. But it’s people like him (on both sides) that are the reason I can’t say anything about the hardware and games without being attacked.

            Its a war that I never signed up for

          • ConsoleTruth818

            LMAO! What kind of bullshit rhetoric is this? Trying to spew your own nonsense gospel on the rest of us? You ain’t no one to look up to here and I find your PATHETIC DESIRE to treat all this as if it’s some kind of social atmosphere is even more sadder because you’re on here every single day!

            So much hypocrisy from you holier than tho delinquents it isn’t even funny! :)

          • shinitaru

            I feel sorry for you man. You need to step back and take a good long look at your behavior. You’ll never do that though, not sure that you even can.

            Don’t bother to reply, I wont read nor respond to you again

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Um, here’s the kicker kid…

            This argument is about 2 things with ME and YOU son:

            1. Your pathetic nerd boy comment telling me you are better than me over gamerscore and trophies.

            2. Your pathetic desire to bury your head in the sand and turn a closed eye to what Microsoft did to lose all of our distrust.

            LOL I never claimed to know the details of this shit.

            NICE TRY SQUIRT.. But you failed again! As I never made such a claim of myself! LMAO!

            You’re gonna coward out tomorrow… I know it! Please show me you can at least be 1/2 a man will you?

            Later Cupcake!

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Typical social outcast.. assuming everyone knows what a kernel is? To me its effing popcorn son! :)

            I bet 9 out of 10 people wouldn’t know wtf it was in that context anyhow. Matter of fact I’m sure of it.

            You are the one who still doesn’t get it! :)

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Looks like my post wasn’t approved eh? Oh well, I’d rather just “Say” it to you personally tomorrow..

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Just letting you know that I haven’t forgot about you, and will be contacting you shortly. You’re going to have to deal with being on my schedule though.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            You can also expect invites of several other PSN members calling you out for what you just said to me right here. The truth hurts and that’s why you don’t reply.

            GG Newb, but I win as any sensible adult here would against a pimply faced Mellennial baby such as yourself.. Now run along back to your world of rainbows and butterflies where you think you are better than someone else over what is essentially just a hobby to kill time.

            You see son, the difference between me and you is I have other hobbies and don’t judge others on trivial things like gamescore or trophies. There is a whole world out there ready to be experienced but apparently you’d rather indulge in mindless banter.

            Yeah truth be told.. I’m better than you child and will prove it over that mic by tomorrow.

          • d0x360

            Omg psn members! The horror. Seriously guy…get a life. You are on the internet. I don’t debate you because you are WRONG. I don’t debate you because instead of doing some research you just repeat yourself and call people son like some wannabe hardass. Why would I debate someone who is a close minded fool? I know hardware. Work with it daily. I know you are incorrect. Simple as that. Why argue with someone who has no sense.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Hardass? I’m a hardass in RL that’s for sure son.. This debate isn’t going to be anything about hardware.. just your stupid stupid idealism that you believe supporter MS is ok.

            The fact that you share your name and use it across all platforms also shows how Naive you are about sharing personal information.. Another clearcut sign that you are a Mellennial baby born before 1987..

            Whether you choose to reply to my voice message and my party invite I can’t control.. if you’re a coward.. But I can get at you in more ways than one.

            As I said when it comes to INTEGRITY.. You kid, have NONE! :)

          • d0x360

            There we go again. I stopped at hardass in real life…some day you are gonna meet a girl and have sex. On that day you will look back at these years of your life and say holy Christ I was stupid. On that day send me a msg on psn and we will throw you a party.

          • shinitaru

            Just ignore him

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Poor Shin you don’t even know who this is do you?

          • shinitaru

            I don’t care, I know who you are. As a fellow Playstation gamer, you are an embarrassment

          • ConsoleTruth818

            And so were you when you were conceived..

          • shinitaru

            you really suck at this….

          • ConsoleTruth818

            No not really, I just prefer teaching people manners on the real, rather than being a keyboard warrior smart ass..

            Anyhow I’m glad I’m not on the internet everyday like you.. Your life must be dull..

          • shinitaru

            Let me save you some time and effort. There is nothing that you can say that will bother me in the least. I have no respect for you or anything that you might say. Don’t bother, I’m out of your league

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Oh boy, here we go again with this pretentious internet bullshit.

            No son, you so far out of my league and your head so far up your collective ass, I mistaken your adam’s apple for your nose. Don’t defend pieces of shit that mock others on gamerscore.. the fact that you did this alone tells me you are no better than that pole smoker.

          • shinitaru

            uh-huh…whatever.

          • shinitaru

            “I swear to our False God Jesus Christ If I ever witnessed another gamer telling another gamer he’s better than them based on GS or trophies.. “

            LMAO at you, I don’t think I’m better than you because of some score, I’m better than you because I don’t need to resort to petty insults and threats over the internet. Pretty simple, I’m better than you simply because I’m a better person. There’s you can do or say that will change that, the more you try, the more you make my point for me.
            Do your worst, I’m bored of you now

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Lets see son.. You don’t think people need consequences for running their mouth to others over the internet? If that’s what you’re saying you have no sense of justice.

            I’m a better person than you will ever be because I’m able to stand up for myself in the real world where you can only pull it off behind a keyboard huh?

            Bravo, kid!

          • shinitaru

            Think what you like

          • shinitaru

            But just be glad that you never have to put those threats to the test

          • ConsoleTruth818

            I have before in the past.. Just once.. someone over xbox live got personal with me back in 07.. He lived nearby and came to me.. In the end I got off scott free for what happened to him though. People need to have some manners online.. Unless of course you are talking about the cancer of this industry and the clowns who support their mediocrity.

          • shinitaru

            See? here’s the thing, I know true badasses both my brother and father are/were Hell’s Angels. I grew up around some really scary people, they don’t need to brag about how bad they the are, they just are. They also tend to be much more respectful because they know better than most how fragile life really is.
            You went in like you do talking sh*t, they wouldn’t say a thing to you, till you crossed the line, then they would beat you to death with your own severed limbs….

          • ConsoleTruth818

            If that’s story is true, then wow, if it isn’t then don’t you dare go running your mouth to me about life’s lessons.. got it? Do you understand?

            That’s a chance I took by giving out my address.. I knew the risk when I did it. Turned out in my favor in the end though! :)

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Hurry up and learn how to type.. I’ve been waiting for your reply for 3 minutes!

          • shinitaru

            You are on my time, you will wait as long as I want you to, not like you have anything better to do

          • ConsoleTruth818

            You’re time is expendable.. my time is precious.. Which is why I told you to put your hands on the homerow keys and pick up Mavis Beacon teaching typing.

          • shinitaru

            Prefer Typing of the Dead.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Yeah that was fun back on the Dreamcast.. Obviously I was pretty good at it.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            You stopped at being a hardass in Real life because you’re intestinal fortitude as a man was in question.

            LOL I love your comment seeing as I’ve been married for 7 years.. Nice try kid, when I catch up with you, It’s going to bruise your shallow little ego.

          • Jimmy_Jangle

            I’m a hardass in RL that’s for sure son..

            Bumder.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Sorry, you’re wrong, you’ll always be wrong. PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance, end of story.

          • Xtreme Derp

            LOL what a child.

            Sorry, you’re wrong, you’ll always be wrong. PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance, end of story.

          • shinitaru

            You haven’t been a member for very long but it’s true you have trophies for every major game so far

          • d0x360

            I’ve been a member since the launch of the ps3. I haven’t been a plus member for long is what you mean. I just got plus when the ps4 launched.

          • shinitaru

            Wow, really? I wasn’t talking about plus, its just that you have so few games and trophies. No diss, I just check everyone who posts their name. mine is death_by_wabbit if you are interested

          • d0x360

            My ps3 is a non retail unit so its not connected online in the same way a normal ps3 is. I’ve never actually checked what it shows. Is the last of us on there? It was the latest ps3 game I’ve played. Sadly for ps3 I’m stuck as user1 forever. The only games for ps4 that shouldn’t show up are sports titles. Don’t play those.

          • shinitaru

            Here’s what I see:

          • d0x360

            Strange…tlou was definitely played under d0x360. Might have been the last firmware update Sony pushed down. Non retail units are less than reliable when it comes to reporting things to psn. I’m surprised it can sign in at all. I need to get myself a retail unit there are games I’ve bought online that I can’t play. As for my sad ps4 trophy count…I’ll do better lol. Work is busy. Especially this time of year. You can check my Xbox live too if you want lol. Same user name all around.

          • d0x360

            Also strange the new PS+ game isn’t showing up…the metal slug clone. I know I got some trophies unlocked in it yesterday.

          • shinitaru

            Oh yeah, Mercenary Kings. Not sure what I think about that game yet. I really loved their Scott Pilgrim brawler

          • d0x360

            Scott pilgrim was great. Yea I’m not sure either. I love metal slug but something about mercenary kings rubs me the wrong way. I’ll give it another couple hours before I make up my mind. Hopefully this weekend I’ll get some time in. I really want to finish outlast and infamous too.

          • shinitaru

            The thing that I don’t like is the gun not having any 45° position like in Metal Slug and Contra, it’s just up or forward. Kind of awkward

          • d0x360

            That might be it. I was taking damage that I felt was cheap because of the angle the enemies were at. I wasn’t a fan of the home base area either. It was more complicated that it needed to be. that might sound silly because its not complicated but the layout just seems off in my opinion. It could get better as the game goes on though.

          • d0x360

            Scott pilgrim was great. Yea I’m not sure either. I love metal slug but something about mercenary kings rubs me the wrong way. I’ll give it another couple hours before I make up my mind. Hopefully this weekend I’ll get some time in. I really want to finish outlast and infamous too.

          • shinitaru

            I finished my first playthrough of Infamous, got my 100% as a good guy, trying to play infamous run but it’s hard for me to dedicate myself to a second run of any game

          • d0x360

            I hear you there. Only game recent that I’ve played twice was gta5. I had to wake up 2 hours early every day to do it. It was rough lol.

          • shinitaru

            That’s dedication, when you’re willing to set your alarm so you can get some time in before work, lmao

          • ConsoleTruth818

            That guy is an arogant Nerd boasting about video games and thinks he’s better than others. Please don’t defend this piece of human garbage. He’s going to be hearing from me personally over PSN soon. I always wanted to converse with clowns like this face to face but I’ll settle for a proverbial lesson.

          • Xtreme Derp

            MS knew what they were doing when they sacrificed graphics performance for media and multitasking features.

            Sorry, you’re wrong, you’ll always be wrong. PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance, end of story.

        • You are flat out wrong

          You’re right, you can get a Wii U too.

          The Xbone is a massive, cancerous turd and the sooner it gets discontinued the better.

        • Xtreme Derp

          “Xbox One at 1080/60 for coming games” maybe for sports, indies, and low performance last gen ports. More selective straw grasping conspiracy theory nonsense.

          If you think Xbox will reach parity or better with PS4 games performance you’re wrong, period.

          1080p 60fps is not happening for either console with demanding next gen AAA games like Watch Dogs, Witcher 3, etc. It will typically be 1080p 30 fps on PS4, and 720-900p 30 fps on Xbox.

          Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

          Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

          PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

          • Lag-Fighting Tactics

            Have your fun,but your not including the locked out second GPU.
            We have the better system in specs, juct it’s locked out until 2017

          • Gamez Rule

            ROFLMAO!

            Show proof that there’s a locked out second GPU, and it’s locked out until 2017?

            There is no 2nd GPU “Microsoft director of product planning Albert Penello has spoken out to
            dispel an enduring RUMOR about the Xbox One. It’s been suggested that
            the Xbox One features a second secret graphics processing unit (GPU)
            hidden somewhere in the system, but this is not true”

            (( http://www.gamespot.com/articles/no-the-xbox-one-does-not-have-a-secret-second-gpu/1100-6418528/ ))

            But as the picture states…

    • d0x360

      Excellent post my friend. Nice to see someone who knows something about how hardware works and not a parrot repeating what their friends said.

      • Xtreme Derp

        LOL. The misterxturds are reinforcing one another’s delusions, hilarious.

    • Ippoletta

      Xbox One games will do better on newer engines not last gen like PS4′s. that’s why the resolution for Xbox games have been low.

    • lindin loubeau

      I concur with everything that smart guy said!

    • Moreno

      One thing, kinda off topic, is that nintendo said they could try to go mobile and home hybrid, lets say having one game that you can grab with you and plug to the tv back at home, and it is exactly what MS did this week, it will start with indie and apps, some games like Max, Stryder, could be easily built to run on phones, tablets, pcs and the One, so you buy one, get three, and use everywhere you want.

    • You are flat out wrong

      Oh look, more “potential” guff. The Xbone might not be a piece of sh*t in five years. Imagine my hype.

      This Move stuff is nothing new by the way, we knew about this since reveal.

      • cozomel

        Yup, more PR bullsh*t to feed the suckers. They’ll never learn, and keep buying into very bit of bullsh*t Ms feeds them. The MS fanboys are desperate, and need something badly and so does MS. So they (MS) are trying their hardest to sucker us and the gullible a$$ fanboy gobble it up. All this has been known since the reveal and hasnt helped one bit, but rather hindered the system, yet these fools will keep falling for it. Oh they (the ms fanboys) arent the laughing stock of the industry for nothing

    • You are flat out wrong

      “This is only a big deal if an engine is designed to access them.”

      Heh heh heh, another “if.” Always seems to be the operative word in regards to the Xbone.

      Jumplf why didn’t you properly cite your source? http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durangos-move-engines/

      • Gamez Rule

        LMAO! I wonder why he didn’t cite his source.

    • cozomel

      Ryse and Forza perform good? One is a 900p barely sustainable 30fps game and the other a game with last gen assets and no AA

      • Xtreme Derp

        Ryse runs at 20-25 fps average according to DF. Not even 30.

        • Gamez Rule

          I think DF was being kind☺☺☺.

    • You are flat out wrong

      Is that also why games designed specifically for the PS4 wipe the floor with the Xbone’s overrated crap?

      Forza looks awful, by the way.

    • Xtreme Derp

      PS4 doesn’t need “data move engines”, and developers have already admitted it PS4 faster memory bandwidth. You’re grasping at straws and nothing you’ve said makes Xbox “more powerful” or even at parity. GDDR5 latency is a non-issue.

      http://gamingbolt.com/project-cars-uses-xbox-one-esram-for-deferred-render-targets-careful-use-mitigates-ps4s-unified-memory-advantage

      http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=94264594&postcount=50

      Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

      Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

      PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

    • ASSASSYN

      Couldn’t have said it better myself.

      No really, I actually could not have said it. I fly planes. I know nothing significant with computer archeticture. Well said.

    • JumpIf NotZero

      Just in case anyone is interested… After the posts I made here I came home on Friday night to A LOT of discus emails letting me know the fanboys were not happy with me.

      If you think one side is “right” and the other side is “wrong”…. YOU are the problem.

      • shinitaru

        That is why you should never connect your Disqus account to your email….What were you thinking? ;D

      • shinitaru

        looks like you got Xtremely Derp’d

    • You are flat out wrong

      “This is only a big deal if an engine is designed to access them.” Another “if.” More “potential.” You poor Xbots are going to be waiting for a long time.

    • Bettina Rosen

      U Forget DirectX 12, all what u saying is based at DirectX11

    • harbinger

      new engines like ryse and forza , are you serious ry
      se runs at 900p and forza is a racing game with not much dynamic graphics , so obviously it runs at 1080p.

      • JumpIf NotZero

        1. Replies to a month old comment.
        2. “game with not much dynamic graphics”

        No seriously reply needed :D

        • Sucka Free

          No seriously reply expected ;D

        • You are flat out wrong

          Maybe you can copy paste something from Reddit.

          • JumpIf NotZero

            Yea, maybe I’ll go back in time again to do so, again.

            I’m so clever, I read something on reddit that’s good, I hop in the time machine, go back two hours and post it here. HE HE HE, so clever!

            I love that by being such a Sony fanboy, you do more for MS than MS does for MS. You seriously make me want to sell my PS4. Although I do love that I’ve gotten more likes on a single pro-Xbox comment – than you get on a Sony-site being a Sony-Pony posting everyday for months :D It must just eat at you!

          • You are flat out wrong

            Says it all about the lemming nature of Xbot vermin, doesn’t it?

            You couldn’t be more salty at this point. Poor lamb. :)

          • ps4lol

            Sony’s 1st parties are ALL working on PS4 games. The gaming division is making a profit and is well funded. You are dumb, WRONG and evil.

            PS4 has the superior version of all console AAA multiplats, The Order, Driveclub, MLB 14: The Show, Deep Down, Uncharted 4, TLOU Remake, more dev support including indies, free to play games and MMOs like FFXIV and Warframe, and unannounced 1st party games (Gran Turismo, God of War, Media Molecule, Quantic Dream, etc.) Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on PS4.

            Recently Sony has filed trademarks or had leaks for no less than 6 games. Entwined, Kill Strain, Blood Borne, Dark Chronicles, Project Beast and Guns Up. Expect a big E3 reveal of new games.
            m
            Bu bu bu just wait for the directx 12 cloud low latency ESRAM tiled resources move engine offloading special sauce!!1

            Same old delusional, constantly wrong misterxcultist doomsday prophecies. Just wait for X date, you’ll be sorry! Like some bonkers cult suggesting dates of the end of the world. Dates that forever change to keep their followers in check.

        • ps4lol

          Sony’s 1st parties are ALL working on PS4 games. The gaming division is making a profit and is well funded. You are dumb, WRONG and evil.

          PS4 has the superior version of all console AAA multiplats, The Order, Driveclub, MLB 14: The Show, Deep Down, Uncharted 4, TLOU Remake, more dev support including indies, free to play games and MMOs like FFXIV and Warframe, and unannounced 1st party games (Gran Turismo, God of War, Media Molecule, Quantic Dream, etc.) Titanfall 2 and future 3rd party games will almost certainly be on PS4.

          Recently Sony has filed trademarks or had leaks for no less than 6 games. Entwined, Kill Strain, Blood Borne, Dark Chronicles, Project Beast and Guns Up. Expect a big E3 reveal of new games.

          Bu bu bu just wait for the directx 12 cloud low latency ESRAM tiled resources move engine offloading special sauce!!1

          Same old delusional, constantly wrong misterxcultist doomsday prophecies. Just wait for X date, you’ll be sorry! Like some bonkers cult suggesting dates of the end of the world. Dates that forever change to keep their followers in check.
          ,

          • JumpIf NotZero

            OH LOOK!!! You got a new name/disqus account.

            Your Michael HerpDerp account was banned… I mean ExtremeHerpDerp account was banned… I mean really how long until you get this account banned too?

  • CervantesPR

    when are they going to stop talking about this esram? its getting old, same with the cloud talk, xbox one is weaker than PS4, accept it, same thing with all this “cloud” talk. when i see a xbox one game having more resolution and details than a PS4 game then ill believe it.

    • superkarma

      It’s the same rehashed buzzword marketing they tried (and failed) to do in the months leading up to the X1 release. They’re hoping the ignorant masses will just accept whatever they say at face value and worship them. Back in reality, developers actually working on their system state otherwise and prove how it’s a disadvantage.

      • Orion

        I’m gonna put you to rest right here, using your own knowledge against you.

        I’ll give you credit in knowing that last generation, from the start to finish on consoles, the graphics and developing techniques evolved significantly. You should know that.

        However, this generation, PS4 decided to be a PC and the Xbox One decided to stay a console. Proof by difference in architectures.

        So since the Xbox One is more like your traditional console, you have to learn ways to take advantage of the architecture to get the best out of the system right? That’s what they did all last generation, correct?

        In that effect, how could developers tell you its a disadvantage when they know more about the PS4 than the Xbox One? In relation to the PS4 and PC’s memory, the Xbox One is at a disadvantage if you don’t use the architecture. If you do use it, the gap disappears between the PS4 and Xbox One.

        Also take into account that no one knows what the hell DirectX 12 will do for the system. How could they? If you paid attention, Microsoft said the Xbox One will take full, full being a keyword, advantage of the DX12. Microsoft also said, new GPU’s will be needed to take full advantage of DX12, keyword again being full.

        Everything about the Xbox One is next generation besides the DDR3 RAM. So, no. It is not a buzzword. You are just using that as an excuse to validate what you think you know instead of taking the time to learn the actual truth.

        • superkarma

          How is anything you’re spewing have anything to do with the problem at hand? Developers are having a headache developing for the X1 compared to the straight-forward and easy PS4 platform. Plain and simple.

          It doesn’t matter what Microsoft’s intentions were. The fact of the matter is, developers are not happy with their intentions and decisions. Therefore, it’s a harder platform to develop on and requires more time and effort. Much like when Sony decided to throw a completely new CPU architecture into the mix with the PS3.

          Ahh yes, the almighty power of DX12. I forgot how you fanboys love to hang on to these claims and think they’ll be game-changers, even though nothing has proved that.

          Did I say X1 wasn’t next-gen? I sure didn’t. Since when does buzzword marketing mean it’s not next-gen? Lol.

          • Orion

            My God. Did you pay attention to what DirectX 12 will do..?

            The WHOLE general idea behind DirectX 12 is to make…developing…easier. A LOT easier. The whole…point…of those 3 Xbox One OS’s is…to make….developing….easier. These games today are being developed with the lead platform being PC (except in the case of COD I believe).

            So yes, the PS4 is easier to develop for NOW. Now. That will not be the case in the future. The advantage of developing for DX12 is because you will get much better performance…So when developers hop on that DX12 train, which they already have started to, the Xbox One will no longer be a hassle to develop for.

          • superkarma

            You do realize DX12 can only do so much, right? DX12 is not the answer to your prayers, fanboy. DX12 is just software, which is of course limited by hardware. DX12 will not make developing for ESRAM easier.

            It’s now clear to me that you just take everything Microsoft spoon-feeds you and accept it at face value. Of course, Microsoft can never do any wrong. Silly me. When you’re ready to come back to reality and actually back up those claims with credible sources (not Microsoft) I’ll be ready to have a discussion.

          • Orion

            Man. You are the dumbest person on the internet today. Congrats.

            My main point of siting DX12 was not the power advantages, which were shown on an actual game called Forza Motorsport 5 at GDC. Instead, I sited the ease of development. And I’m the fanboy.

            You are the ultimate fanboy for reading my words out of context and then proceeding to attack me. You have to be right. There is NO possible way you can be wrong. You are a God. You know all, you see all. You know more than the people who developed the the software and technology.

            Wow…and I am the fanboy. Talk about salty career comment dwellers. In no way has your “speculation” been proven correct. Nor mine, to be fair. But since it hasn’t been proven, it can’t be done. People said we couldn’t go to the moon or go faster than 55mph without dying. Look how wrong they were.

            Everyone but the experts are exerts on the interwebz these days……Humanity has no hope if being connected is the future.

          • superkarma

            So, instead of backing up your fanboy claims with actual proof, you proceed to go on long-winded tantrum. I had a feeling you would do such a thing.

            Tootles.

          • Orion

            You didn’t even make it through the second paragraph where I stated Forza Motorsport 5 running on DX12 at GDC. My whole point is the ease of development gap and possibly the power gap closing. All within 3 sentences.

            I provided my retort. You say I didn’t. You’ve made no attempt to Google and fact check, which is inherently your job because you want the proof. It exists. Go find it.

            Bye bye, little bitch.

          • superkarma

            I didn’t mention the pointless Forza demo as it has nothing to do with your fanboy argument, claiming it’ll somehow make developing around ESRAM on the X1 easier. DX12 can’t/won’t work miracles and won’t magically make ESRAM easier to develop for. The Forza demo didn’t prove anything of that sort.

            On the other hand, developers actually developing for the X1 have stated many times how the ESRAM is a hurdle for them. Once you can provide proof that DX12 will somehow take away that hurdle, I’ll lend you an ear. Until then, run off and have another child tantrum, throwing around personal attacks because you got upset.

            Bye bye.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Go back to misterxturd’s blog and stay there, basket case.

          • Xtreme Derp

            You’re a dumb as rocks, delusional, conspiracy theorist misterxcultist. Same old delusional, constantly wrong doomsday prophecies. Just wait for X date, you’ll be sorry! LOL

            Sorry, you’re wrong, you’ll always be wrong. PS4 has the more powerful hardware for gaming graphics performance, end of story.

            Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

            Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

            PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

            Anyone expecting parity or Xbox games running better than PS4 will be sorely disappointed.

          • Xtreme Derp

            Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

            Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

            PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

            Anyone expecting parity or Xbox games running better than PS4 will be sorely disappointed.

          • HalfBlackCanuck

            Developers (outside of Indies) aren’t really chumming in as much as individual programmers within.
            If I had, say, a 12-count muffin tin and beside it two 6-counts and a smaller convection over and told you you can get the same results out of both but the latter needs a little more work, you would choose the 12-count because it’s easier. Who wouldn’t. I’m not saying anyone is wrong for not wanting to optimize for one until while the other makes it easy, I’m arguing that there are tools available to make the difference negligible if people choose to explore them.

        • Xtreme Derp

          Go back to misterxturd’s blog, delusional WRONG cultist.

          Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

          Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

          PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

          Anyone expecting parity or Xbox games running better than PS4 will be sorely disappointed.a

      • HalfBlackCanuck

        Except they’re explaining it, in detail, and not just using buzzwords. Buzzwords tend to mean nothing whereas detailing methods and underlying tech is the opposite of that.
        The cloud exists, MS didn’t invent it, and it’s used all day every day in a number of applications. I can never understand why MS using the term means it’s not real.
        ESRAM and DRAM obviously exist, and must for a reason, so let’s see if they can explain it in detail and then show it working before we assume it’s a lie (what’s that? That’s exactly what they’re doing? Oh.)

        • superkarma

          Lol. Where did I say none of this existed? Buzzword marketing =/= existence.

          The almighty power of the cloud has not shown any use in a real-world environment on a console. It will not show any use for many, many years to come. It won’t even be plausible for many, many years to come.

          The almighty power of ESRAM has already shown a disadvantage, due to being more of a problem than gift to developers. I’m sorry, but unlike you, I’ll listen to the developers who have actually worked on the platform…not the biased owner of the platform who’s just hyping it up.

          • HalfBlackCanuck

            Which developers, as a company, have stated anything? Most word has come from “insiders” who are generally programmers who don’t want to work at the architecture because they aren’t in a high paying/low stress job as it is, and indies who have other reason to hate MS (launch parity has to go away).

        • Xtreme Derp

          Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

          Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

          PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

          Anyone expecting parity or Xbox games running better than PS4 will be sorely disappointed.

          • HalfBlackCanuck

            Good thing you reminded me Sony has more raw power under the hood. You PS4 evangelists always forget to mention that (you kind of dilute that with the “PS4 OS may also have less overhead”. You don’t know that so why would you throw that in to a factual statement?
            I never stated that Xbox One will overcome PS4. I’m offering an opinion as to why it’s silly to dump on a configuration that nobody can prove isn’t going to be able to achieve what they say it will. The gap WILL close. By having a straight-forward programming path the PS4 simply has less room to grow (although they have bigger potential, ultimately). Other than small optimizations in individual engines and some OS tightening there aren’t a lot of places to find hidden power. Compare that to Xbox where most of the releases so far haven’t even touched some of what’s there. Plus DX12 and whatever else will make using all the tools more straight forward for programmers.
            PS4 will always be on top for processing power. Xbox One will gain more ground than everyone seems to think.

    • HalfBlackCanuck

      Yeah, why would they talk about their hardware/software at a conference dedicated to talking about their hardware/software. What A-holes.
      Too bad they didn’t demo things like the cloud so people could visualize what they are talking about…

      • Jecht_Sin

        One thing is to talk, the other is to lie. It’s common opinion between many developers that it is indeed the eSRAM size one the bottlenecks that stop the Xbone to reach 1080p.

        And regarding that “Cloud” demo, it is nothing really new. Farms of computer connected through ethernet for parallel computing have been out there for decades now. On a average Internet connection that demo will be a lag fest, with pieces of the explosion coming out randomly from different places and even disappearing.

  • TristanPR77

    No matter your console of choice we know that what Microsoft is saying is not true. Why not be honest?

    Why say that when in reality developers has stated how ESRAM is a problem (Bottleneck) and when most of your games has miserably struggle to reach 1080p?

    It was better to say: We are aware of the problems that the xbone is facing and we are working close with developers to look out for solutions. I would have take that with respect but lying to people saying things that are not real is not respectable Microsoft.

    • Gamist

      They should apologize for Don Mattrick’s quote about those who don’t have access to online should stick to the 360. But that’s never going to happen.

  • Negi Springfield

    “Sigh”

  • Rickowned
  • Trim Dose

    Good thing MS can proves this with their games.

  • http://www.paulogy.com Paul

    Where’s Penello when you need him?

  • Crapgamer

    Tides turning. Love it!

    • ConsoleTruth818

      Only in your deluded minds eye scumbag.. Remember I know you frederick! Another one of Zaire’s supporters.. Too deluded to see the errors of your piss poor platform choice huh son?

      Run back to youtube Eddie Munster.. and take your Pediphilic friends from youtube with ya! Bet you feel stupid for even associating with that scumbag father Zaire now don’t ya?

    • superkarma

      Nothing has turned. This is just the PR spin-machine.

    • You are flat out wrong

      Oh look, Quatman’s imaginary world has penetrated reality again. Call the HAZMAT team!

    • Xtreme Derp

      Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

      Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

      PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

      Anyone expecting parity or Xbox games running better than PS4 will be sorely disappointed.

  • brianc6234

    This is just smoke and mirrors. It’s too much work for developers to deal with too. They never wanted to deal with this kind of stuff when Sony included it in their consoles. Developers don’t want to use this kind of trickery just to make one version of their games run a little faster. The PS4 was designed to make things easy for developers. It’s funny though. Sony and Microsoft switched this generation. Before Sony always came up with ideas like this. You’d think Microsoft would have paid attention to what happened. Everyone said Sony’s consoles were too complicated.

    • JerkDaNERD7

      This is not smoke and mirrors. This is explaining to developers a clever and efficient way of allocating graphics resources. This is fact, although it will be much work for some developers Microsoft as usual will succeed in providing the best development tools. Everything as of now is way too early to have set assumptions of what’s to come. It’s only been a couple months, and Microsoft is very different from Sony. They move quick as a whole and why they’ve always been successful.

      I mean look at the industry Sony use to be in and tried so hard to compete (smart devices), they’ve completely failed there while Microsoft given there limited time in the industry are making rapid take over of the market and are not looking too bad. It’s seems like a transition they’re going through and are on all fours achieving success after another compared to Sony.

      Sony use to be a giant company….now it just seems like their in desperation for any success and PS4 just might be that hope that brings em’ back.

      • superkarma

        What smart devices has Microsoft put out that is “rapidly taking over”? Lol.

      • Xtreme Derp

        Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

        Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

        PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

        Anyone expecting parity or Xbox games running better than PS4 will be sorely disappointed.

        • Gannicus

          ah factual derp is back again lol trolling everyones opinions even if they make sense. Tbh MS should just give up on the 1080p and just do 900p at a higher quality, well for AAA games for indie games and such 1080p 60 will be easy cus they generally wont be using cutting edge gfx techniques and massive textures

    • Gamez Rule

      Agreed.

      This is why Sony didn’t go with the other RAM route. It’s just too much work for developers to deal with and was even advised by developers themselves NOT to go with GDDR5 and eDRAM http://www.gamechup.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ps4-dual-architecture.jpg

      .
      .
      (( http://www.gamechup.com/ps4-sony-earlier-thought-about-slow-gddr5-edram-1088gbs/ ))

      PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with while being easier to work for ( a win win situation ) for Sony and the developers proven already by the games released recognized by the gamers. ( Example = MGS5 *See Link below

      *(( http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-metal-gear-solid-ground-zeroes-face-off ))

      No matter how easier the ESRAM becomes to use doesn’t change the fact the PS4 will still be the more powerful console for gaming. All these talks about eSRAM / DX12 / will not change the hardware facts of PS4 being better.

      It’s like saying the Wii U can become better than Xbone☺☺☺

  • d0x360

    It is going to take time because its not standard. Right now devs are coding both consoles like a PC. They aren’t. On ps4 for the time being that’s fast cause it has the gddr5. For the Xbox its not OK. Lessons learned from the 360 will certainly help but this is new hardware. Not just more powerful but a whole new design. CPU and GPU combos that are gaming class are not the norm. Hell even ps4 games will be looking leaps better when developers start optimizing and getting into the hardware. The gamers will benefit on both consoles. I can’t wait.

  • Nintendo Fan 4 Lif3

    I’m guessing the no swap chains bulletpoint has something to do with the CPU not having access to the D3D sources through GPU.

  • DemonFenton
    • JumpIf NotZero

      Sweet article from before either console was released with no sources other than what the anonymous author thinks. That’s really compelling information…. I mean, it doesn’t explain why Ryse is one of the best looking games on either platform, or how Forza ran 1080/60… but it’s a positive Xbox article here, and you “have” to troll, so, troll on.

      • http://mfdawes.com Mixel

        Only idiots would say the X1 can’t output great graphics..

        Ryse and Forza are sort of neither here nor there though.. If they did exist on the PS4 they’d almost certainly be nicer looking – like everything(isn) else has been. But the X1 is still decent enough for most people/games.

      • Xtreme Derp

        Factual PS4 Hardware Advantages: +6 CUs, +560 GFlops (44% greater), +16 ROPs, +6 ACEs/CQs, better GPGPU support, better performing CPU, and faster unified memory. PS4 OS may also have less overhead or reserves.

        Both Sony and MS have world class coders that will extract every bit of performance out of their consoles with their drivers/APIs/SDKs. The difference is PS4 simply has more powerful hardware to work with, so it will always stay ahead in graphics performance.

        PS4 will have better performing games for the entire generation as it has more powerful hardware, you can’t overcome a hardware gap with better drivers/SDKs. Any game running on Xbox One can be run with better framerate/resolution/visual effects on PS4.

        Anyone expecting parity or Xbox games running better than PS4 will be sorely disappointed.a

      • You are flat out wrong

        Ryse only looks like how it did thanks to CryEngine 4, and even that was with significant shortcuts (copy pasted enemies, extremely linear levels, motion blur and fog everywhere). I wouldn’t use Flopza as an example of the Xbone’s power either. Pic very related.

  • Kreshnik Halili

    actually this one is not smoke and mirrors.
    since ram is about bandwidth, and bandwidth strongly depends on resolution, lets take a closer look:

    - 720p = 1280 * 720 = 921.600 pixels
    - 900p = 1600 * 900 = 1.440.000 pixels (about 56% more than 720p)
    - 1080p = 1920 * 1080 = 2.073.600 pixels (about 44% more than 900p)

    now lets take a stupid approach to see what the eSRAM is really capable of:
    the 360 had 10MB of eDRAM. the x1 has 32 MB of eSRAM. resolution-wise 1080p would be easily possible on x1, since 720p was possible on 360. now the problem is, next-gen games need more render-buffers for different state-of-the-art postprocess effects and the likes. lets say we want a 1080p game with 360 graphics on x1. for that, about 20MB of our available 32MB would be needed. now only 12MB are left for additional advanced effects. thats actually not very much. for this reason, the x1 architecture is designed so, that eSRAM and DDR3 can be accessed simultaneously / parallel (this was not possible on 360 and eDRAM). lets say this is about a 30% boost. for that, you can say that for the x1s architecture, the 32MB eSRAM are compareable with 42MB eDRAM. that would make about 22MB available for additional advanced effects. this is – lets call it – a compromise.

    the x1 has to make a compromise between resolution and advanced effects. most likely the x1 has its peak between graphics and pixels at about 900p @ 60fps @ next-gen graphics, especially if you take the graphic card and everything else into account. why i believe that? because the x1 is a very balanced system.
    Saying that, i highly doubt that the ps4s peak between graphics and pixels is much higher. maybe ~960p @ 60fps @ next-gen graphics. this is about a 15% higher resolution lead. of course the x1 is going to get directx 12 in the future which may improve graphics quality a little. and of course theres the cloud which may enhance playability or multiplayer-physics. but thats just speculation for now.

  • desponent

    Show don’t tell

  • You are flat out wrong

    lmao “the ESRAM,” I’ve been hearing this “It’ll be fine when they work it out!” whining from Xscum for the last year, this is nothing new.

    Jumplf NotZero exposed! He just copy pasted his post from here: http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durangos-move-engines/ This is nothing particularly new. So much for being an “expert.”

    • Xtreme Derp

      There are only a few die hard, mentally ill conspiracy theorist fanboys left who still think Xbox is secretly more powerful.

      • Kreshnik Halili

        funny what you say. didn´t sony fanboys do the exact same thing with the cell?

        not that i care – its just funny to see which fraction has more of the immature kids. luckily not everyone is a fanboy and some even play their games =).

        • Xtreme Derp

          PS3 actually was more powerful than 360, it was just a nightmare to code for.

          PS4 is both far more powerful AND easier to code for. It’s a win win.

          • Kreshnik Halili

            I am not too sure about your ps3 statement. the ps3 had its own bottlenecks while the 360 was more balanced. last gen ps3 and 360 were in the end roughly the same.

            the ps4 may be more powerful on paper, but its not far more powerful. far more powerful is my PC.

            optimization is a bigger deal on x1 than on ps4. thats true. but whats bad about it having room upwards? actually nothing. bad mouthing good things is a little stupid dont you agree with me?

            the gap wont increase. it will decrease. but will it disappear? most likely not.

            x1 has strengths in other departments too though. like online gaming with dedicated servers and other nice to have features. as a package i would go as far and say x1 is the more complete package atm. but this opinion may vary with different people, as everyone has different values important to them.

            games dont constist only of graphics and a platform has more to it than their graphical-compute power. dont forget that.

  • GameBruh

    *popcorn*

  • Ritsujun
    • Xtreme Derp

      You don’t understand, they just have to turn on the Bill Gates special sauce engines.

  • NeoTechni

    Fatst? And the esram is why they aren’t hitting that. Killzone uses an 800 mb render target, infamous 250 mb. 32 mb is horribly small.

  • You are flat out wrong

    No CPU access to ESRAM? Another blunder.

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      Didn’t you know it’s the magical M$ ferries that are floating around inside the XBOne that offload the esrams duties so there is no CPU overhead….

  • ImonadrugcalledCharlieSheen

    Blah blah blah blah blah, just more propaganda from a Microsoft Muppet, you know if eSRAM was so great they wouldn’t constantly be fighting so hard to prove it, how many articles do we need from them explaining how great it is, just more damage control cause their system is a complete failure. Its amazing to cause PS4 can do 1080p and 60fps much better and it doesn’t need clumsy bottle necking eSRAM to do it.

  • JustGaming

    Oh my f***ing god, I am officially dumber for reading some of this bulls***. Sorry guys, but surely you all have better things to do than this??

    PS4 has more powerful hadware FOR GAMING than XBone. XBone can be optimised and will get better over time (just like everything else ever, inc. PS4 & Wii U), and has good multimedia capabilities but the gap is a real gap. Wii U has Nintendo exclusives, an in-box scone screen and the Eshop is growing fast; it’s hardware pales next to the other two, and it will never we third party support they way PS4 and XBone will. Third parties will look and run with pretty good parity on both of those machines, and both companies will have great exclusives. Cloud computing is real (as opposed to this sacked GPU nonsense) will be done by everyone ever (except Nintendo and always better on PC) but will not fully come to fruition for a good few years so please stop waving that flag around, it’s as pathetic as the argument that Gaikai can’t be used for he same ends. PS Vita is a better handheld than 3DS in specs, but Nintendo pulled the rug with a price drop and a slew of killer apps, leaving Vita flailing in sales. Without going into PC, Ouya, Amazon Fire (or whatever) etc. did I miss anything?

    This gen is what it is, deal with it. I’m going to let it play out and try my best not to take part in this silly schoolyard argument. I’d rather fill my time playing awesome games than focusing on a smoke and mirrors-fueled debate. That’s the real sad thing going on here.

  • Ian Williams

    Would you Adam an eve it. Same phony ponies spewing more bile. These idiots are everywhere people running all things Xbox and Microsoft down to their low level. It’s so low it’s lower than shark s41t

    • You are flat out wrong

      Sorry if destroying MS damage control makes your anus sore, Ian.

      • Ian Williams

        Sorry. Hahaha. Damage control? You’ll ear your words.

        • You are flat out wrong

          I’ll ear my words, Ian?

    • YOUDIEMOFO

      And you are here for what…..? Sorry is the fact that you are on here attempting to save grace for a company that doesn’t care and of all things “get it….!”

      • Ian Williams

        I’m sorry for your parents for bringing an imbecile like YOU into this world. A company that doesn’t care? Hahaha get over it.

        • shinitaru

          If you don’t have anything constructive to say, then please STFU. You criticize for “phony ponies spewing more bile” but that is all that you are doing

          • Ian Williams

            When the phonybots troll everything Xbox I’ll troll back. In answer to your request, go fcuk yourself.

          • shinitaru

            aww, did I hurt your feelings? LMAO at you

        • YOUDIEMOFO

          instantly goes for the traditional and sorry tactic….. Because there is truly nothing to say that could make sense.

          My parents eh. Grow up guy.

          • Ian Williams

            Sorry tactic where you and the rest of the phonybots always trolling everything Xbox and Microsoft.

  • Marcuss2

    ESRAM is huge win… GDDR5 in PS4 is even bigger win

  • Gannicus

    The conference is very useful as I see it as any indie dev that wants to output on multiplatform and who isn’t quite sure about what to do with the esram are getting pointers on what to use inside it to get the most out of it, anything that doesn’t take up a lot of render power put it in DDR stuff that stuff put it in esram alongside other stuff. Think AAA games should have a target of 900p higher quality gfx as 1080p with all the bells and whistle with that GPU just isn’t enough for a high visual quality especially if your throwing AA into the mix.

    474+ comments lol 10% useful 90% “your wrong wrong wrong” from ppl

    • Ian Williams

      Phony trolls. They’re everywhere.

      • shinitaru

        Yeah, we got a lot of them when they switched to PS last year

  • thebanditking

    This really is cut and dry, MS screwed up and the X1 is just not a developer oriented as the 360 was (remember it was Cliffy B and gears that tipped the RAM higher for 360 MS was going to use 256MB not 512). There are way to explain their choices and make it all sound technical, but its the same as PS3 last gen, its harder to work with. The 360 architecture did include on board RAM as well but the way it used it was different ans from what I understand easier to optimize because the rest of the system was easier.

  • Edonus

    This comment section illustrates how pathetic the game industry has gotten and its mostly because the Ponies running around the internet soiling everything that isnt Ps4.

    This guy is one of the people that designed the system, F@$# what your favorite dev told you about bottlenecks and limitations. Thats them trying to interpret what this guy has built. This guy, just basically schooled the devs that are having problems on how to use the system he created.

    Now…. whether or not they decide to use the information or not is yet to be seen but imply that this guy doesnt know what he is talking about or lying in anyway is just disgusting fanboy pony a$$ing.

    • You are flat out wrong

      Don’t make a crap system and there won’t be a need for “schooling.”

      • Gamez Rule

        PS4′s undeniable hardware advantage cannot be denied.☺

    • FF9F00

      The ESRAM doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things.

      You could make an experiment and give the fastest GDDR5 to the Xbox One, and the Xbox One will still lose to the PS4 in video games.

      • coip

        Depends on what you mean by losing. X1 AAA exclusives (Dead Rising 3, Forza 5, Killer Instinct, Ryse, Crimson Dragon, Zoo Tycoon, Peggle 2, Plants vs. Zombies: Garden Warfare, Titanfall, Project Spark, Kinect Sports Rivals (out tomorrow)) vs. Knack, Killzone, and Infamous: Second Son. Seems to me that the Xbox One is not losing when all those quality games on the X1 run at 0p and 0fps on PS4. Games are what matter, not eye candy. If you are that obsessed with graphics, go PC and STFU.

        • ConsoleTruth818

          Shut the hell up you disgusting uncut animal!

          • shinitaru

            Keep at it, I’ll keep flagging you.

        • FF9F00

          But it’s not thanks to the ESRAM that those few Xbox games exist. You know… the point of the article?

          The ESRAM is a hinder to the Xbox in terms of production costs. It’s taken up so many transistors that it has weakened the Xbox’s GPU.

    • 3rdworldgamer

      ah yes, them sony fanboys are the scorn of the internet, they should all die. we should all be like xbox fanboys because they are the nicest, most righteous, & more importantly the most intelligent group of people in the planet :P

  • FF9F00

    Give infinite Memory bandwidth to Xbox One.

    Result: PS4′s GPU will still win over Xbox One’s GPU.

    Xbox One GPU is weaker because the ESRAM needs 1,6 billion transistors, thus there is less room for the GPU’s compute units.

    Xbox One has 6 compute units less and this is ESRAM’s fault!

    Thanks to Yo Mama for this analogy.

    • Edonus

      A console is not just a GPU. All of those resources need to be fed and most parts of the GPU dont scale the performance right.

      You ponies are so quick to dismiss everything MS you dont even realize what the creator of the machine is saying.

      From what I gather, in a game the world and elements that dont change very often (which is a very large portion of a game) can be kept in the ddr3 memory since it wont require lots of bandwidth.
      But the things that are constantly changing or adjusting like main characters and the focal points should be sent to eSram and the high bandwidth will produce the proper results.

      • FF9F00

        This is a load of nonsense. The GPU together with the CPU are the main processing sources of a computer.
        The RAM and the ESRAM cannot process ANYTHING. They can only facilitate bandwidth.

        In my experiment, I gave the Xbox One infinite RAM, infinite ESRAM. Guess what?
        Xbox One will still lose.

        • Edonus

          Lose to to what? What is the goal you are trying to reach? The memory system of the X1 already can move more data. The Cloud is already taking up tasks that normally tax the GPU and CPU and as they refine the tools will do more.

          You are talking about winning and losing and you havent even defined the game.

          The whole “more powerful GPU” thing sound good and looks good on paper but as have said there is 2 major factors that get overlooked by ponies.

          1) These are consoles, they are meant for an environment of TVs running at a max of 1080p resolution and probably 60fps (on average 30fps). Unless the Ps4 is planning on natively running games at higher than 1080p some of those resources are just fluff.

          2) All those resources need to be fed. It doesnt matter if you have super powerful GPU if you can only get it enough data that half of its resources dont even get used. We have not seen anything that has even tested the GPU on either one of these systems. The current games are using old engines that arent even optimized for these consoles. The Ps4 is just easier to get around using the old stuff. We wont see the real comparison until they are using the new engines (look at how good Ryse looks thats a new engine).

          • FF9F00

            More nonsense coming from you. The magical cloud doesn’t do anything for the Xbox One’s lack of GPU power.
            Your DDR3 and your ESRAM cannot calculate anything. You will forever be bottlenecked by the weak processing power of the Xbox One’s GPU.
            (At least until the next generation of consoles)

            The PS4 doesn’t plan on running games on higher resolution than 1080P.
            The PS4 simply run 1080P resolution games better than the Xbox One.

        • Kreshnik Halili

          you do know that the cpu and gpu most of the time are waiting for data to get proceeded? this data comes from memory. if the memory is slow, the cpu / gpu have huge idle times doing nothing.

          a simple example:
          you are the fastest burger eating guy in the world. you can eat 10 burgers / min. but you only get 5 burgers / min.
          now your competition can eat 7 burgers / min. and he takes exactly 7 burgers / min. who do you think is going to eat more burgers after 1 hour?
          for memory and cpu/gpu its exactly the same.

          • FF9F00

            “if the memory is slow” you say…

            Well, is the GDDR5 memory on PS4 too slow?
            No, it’s well balanced compared to the GPU specs.

            Look at the desktop GPUs such as the HD7850 and HD7870.
            They have similar ratio of computing power and memory bandwidth.

            Or maybe you thought AMD was absolutely clueless when they designed their desktop GPUs?

          • Kreshnik Halili

            in comparison to SRAM, yes it is much slower. for gpus, latency is not a big problem, that´s why you dont absolutely need an additional fast SRAM cache in-between. so GDDR5 is absolutely ok with the many GB of size it has.
            Now the x1 has DDR3 which is slower. the SRAM in-between is like a super fast accelerator. if used correctly – that is. this is a very easy to understand explanation. in reality its more complicated than that.

            anyway, if the x1 gets memory bottlenecked, its most likely to be on the CPU side of things (CPU to DDR3 communication). i dont know how good the CPU caches are on x1 or on ps4, so i cant really comment on this.

            you just have to understand 1 thing: a big cache can be a more important performance-boost than lets say the switch from DDR3 to GDDR5. like i said – it can. it all depends how you define your architecture and balance things out. the ps4 has a different approach than the x1. its architecture is great in its own way. i am not saying one is better than the other. i am just saying that eSRAM is important to x1, especially when optimized.

          • FF9F00

            In the premise of my theoretical experiment, I gave the the Xbox One unlimited memory bandwidth. And yet I still bet against the Xbox One.

            Why did I do this? Because there is a point of diminishing returns.
            If you double the Memory bandwidth of the PS4, you will not gain twice the performance. Why? Because AMD has already done their calculations and balanced the Memory with the GPU.

            Diminishing returns are likewise true for the Xbox One.
            Giving it infinite memory bandwidth will not yield in infinitely better performance.

            I understand what you are trying to say, but I must also point out that ESRAM does not come for free.
            The 32GB ESRAM in Xbox One cost 1,6 billion transistors.
            These 1.6 billion transistors could have been better spent elsewhere, such as stronger GPU…

          • Kreshnik Halili

            i did not architect the x1 so i cant really say what would have been better or worse =). microsoft is a big company – i believe they know what they are doing. but so does sony. the ps4 atm is ahead. we will see how much x1 can catch up. the gap will definitely decrease. the question is just: how much. completly closing it wont be possible imo.

          • Jecht_Sin

            Not dear Sir. The GPU is the cook. It’s the one doing the job. So the Xbone can cook up to 5 hamburgers/minute, while the PS4 in the same time can cook 7 of them.

            The RAM bandwidth instead is the velocity on which the cooks can get the ingredients. If the RAM is too slow the cook goes idle. Which is when the GPU waits for the data indeed.

            The Xbone has both issues. A slow cook and a slow delivery chain. Made it temporarily faster thanks to a very short fast lane which can keep only the ingredients for half an hamburger per time.

  • You are flat out wrong

    Brief reminder that so-called expert Jumplf copy-pasted his information from here. http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durangos-move-engines/ This is neither new nor exciting.

  • Ippoletta

    I have a question, why is the hardcore sony fanboys favorite game, “bashing Microsoft and Xbox” in Xbox articles? you guys must be shook up about something surely.

    Microsoft’s Xbox One has enough potential and people are starting to realize this. i doubt people give a damn about how much raw power there is your PS4. they’d get a PC if graphics and power were a must. you sony fanboys really think that Microsoft is going to hand this gen over to sony? a company that’s liable to go bankrupt in 2 years?

    Microsoft has spent billions upon billions on Xbox One and the entire Windows
    Eco-system and the Azure cloud servers. they’ve acquired new gaming studios, spent 1 billion on games and content, are updating the dashboard OS monthly. we have 6 AAA exclusives out atm with 3 more due this year alone. why are you sony fanboys so damn mad? why do you all keep trying to justify your PS4? jesus. just go play some damn games.

    deep down you guys must really hate your console of choice. it must be all of this Microsoft news and hype that’s pissing you all off because you notice they’ve been
    stepping up their A game. why do you all downplay everything? the cloud is fake, you all said, it’s PR BS, you all said. my goodness the downplay and hating never ends with you people.

    you sony fanboys are a sick sad bunch. instead of worrying about Microsoft and what they are doing for us. take your butts over to some sony articles and ask them
    why they keep delaying games, laying off key devs and staff, losing billions of dollars every damn year and when they can update your system without having to lock people out for hours at a time.

    i’m sick of seeing the same haters in every Microsoft article circle jerking and spewing BS. get a life. i’m sorry for how 360 users treated you last gen.(actually i’m lying i don’t care) but you guys need to build a f***ing bridge and get over it. this revenge stuff is really annoying.

    and that goes for Youareflatoutwrong as well. you f***ing mouth breathing basement dweller.

    • 3rdworldgamer

      woah….

    • shinitaru

      You don’t come across as hypocritical at all….really, I mean that :p

      • Ippoletta

        Thanks, i thought you were being sarcastic. :)

        • shinitaru

          Good thing that I clarified, huh…..

          • Ippoletta

            Yea…… >.>

    • SuperJamaican

      What a giant wall of bs you’ve posted. Not even worth reading, you could of just generated a picture of yourself holding those green and black pompoms. Who cares how you feel, fact of the matter is Microsoft screwed up and now they reap what they sow. They can spin the bs in every direction, fact remains that this Gen Sony is gonna kick some ass. Talk about your bankruptcy and all that mess…who cares. Sounds like your outnumbered in how you feel…tho.

      • Ippoletta

        You sound just as mad as the rest of them, lol. carry on though bro. i
        didn’t write that stuff to piss anybody off, but damn grow the hell up.

        they screwed up and they fixed the problem. get over that stuff
        already. you guys cant keep reaching for that Xbox Reveal mess, it’s
        dead and buried.

        and you really cant cant talk about spinning, you sony fanboys spin so damn much i cant believe you mofo’s aren’t dizzy yet. no matter what the news. here you guys come downplaying. good or bad, like stink on shit. i’m still waiting for an answer btw.

        • SuperJamaican

          The only one here who is mad is the person posting how he hates how things are going this console generation. I am perfectly fine and happy with the way things are now. Who do I sound like by the way unlike you I could care less about this at all. I only like own a ps3 and a Wii u.

          So why would I be mad again?

    • ConsoleTruth818

      If I had the time I would break your entire post apart word by word on your extreme delusions. MS deserves all the hate they get and then some. You couldn’t hold your own in a verbal debate with me over the mic if you tried.. That much I’m certain of and would welcome to see that one day.

      And even Flatoutwrong has more sense in his head than you got in your fingertips despite the fact that he trolls. Hell I troll too and this isn’t a full time job for me.

      In the meantime, please keep that pole garage you call a mouth shut.. You’re nothing more than another inept Microsoft Lapdog Muppet with no principles or integrity,, just STFU already and run along back to Major Nelson’s blog and the BS he feeds the fans over there.

    • superkarma

      I have a question, why is the hardcore microsoft fanboys favorite game, “bashing Sony and PS4″ in PS4 articles? you guys must be shook up about something surely.

    • You are flat out wrong

      Keep regurgitating PR, Xbot, it might make those bitter tears of yours sting less.

      • coip

        Killer Instinct is effing awesome. Best fighting game since Soul Calibur on Dreamcast in 1999. I dare you to name a better one.

        • You are flat out wrong

          Now that’s what I call marketing!

          • Gamez Rule

            LMAO!

        • ConsoleTruth818

          STFU you dirty, filthy disgusting uncut animal. My vet called and they want their goat penis back!

          It’s a pitty that there are still people in this world who would actually live like you.. So primitive! Go back to your cave your disgusting neanderthal!

  • You are flat out wrong

    Jumplf has been here since, so I do hope he is able to explain why he cribbed his expert analysis from here: http://www.vgleaks.com/world-exclusive-durangos-move-engines/

  • ConsoleTruth818

    DISCUS MODERATORS… QUIT DELETING MY POSTS!

    • shinitaru

      maybe that should tell you something…

      • ConsoleTruth818

        You obviously didn’t learn a single lesson from your so called Hells Angels eh? Mind your own business chump!

        • shinitaru

          I’m going to see you banned from here, and there’s not a thing you can do about it…other than STFU which would be just as good

          • ConsoleTruth818

            You need to STFU and if you weren’t even born… that would be even better.

          • shinitaru

            keep talking, just giving me what I want

          • ConsoleTruth818

            You know what I want.. to meet you on the streets.. Seriously no one in the real world takes kindly to people who bud in on coversations and people who can’t mind their own business.

          • shinitaru

            Uh-huh, I bet you get your ass kicked all the time, you don’t need me to do it for you. Besides I already know plenty of whiny b*tches already

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Actually I’ve met some nerd who talked some personal shit to me over XBL and left him unconscious before the police showed up. The same thing would happen to a guttless coward of a bitch like yourself and every horse that rides in behind you can get a taste as well.

            You seem to be obsessed with me because I mind fucked you. I have to admit I love living inside your head rent free! Reply back to me you easily manipulated puppet because I know you will and am already 10 steps ahead of you in everything your bitch ass does.

          • Sucka Free

            Think what you like

          • shinitaru

            But I believe I’m started to see a behavioral pattern here, you’re tweeking, aren’t you?

          • ConsoleTruth818

            It’s funny you keep replying shin.. You think I could could two F’s about being banned? I’ve had plans to retire from this BS anyway after this weekend.. Tell your Hell’s angels that I think their sibling is a bitch bred coward.. Will ya? LOL

          • ConsoleTruth818

            I would give my left nut to see you face to face.. You wouldn’t last a minute with me kiddo. Take that your family kiddo

          • shinitaru

            Oooh, look! I tough guy making threats over the internet. But that gives you a stiffy, little man

          • Raven Nafariea

            Wow, verbal threats to real life bodily harm… Enough for a ban?

          • shinitaru

            You would think so but apparently it takes more than that. Though I’ve seen people get warnings for less. go figure

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Yeah, I’m sure it is.. but I really don’t mind. Sorry you had to see all this as this is just directed at 2 people only.

          • shinitaru

            Yeah, like you’re a victim So funny, maybe if once in a while you actually talked about games instead of all this hateful fanboy nonsense you keep spewing… circumcision? really? there must be something seriously wrong with you if you can’t see the problem here

          • ConsoleTruth818

            I know what me and YOU are both doing is immature because I’m twice your age son. That doesn’t mean I’m not going to have fun here for the next two days regardless.

            Enjoy it while it lasts eh?

            And yes that pro foreskin guy is a freak of nature.. an abomination of humanity if you will…

          • Sucka Free

            then you’re 100 years old?

          • ConsoleTruth818

            I highly doubt you’re 50.. If you were 20.. I’d be half your age.. Hint Hint.

            Anyhow I have better things to do than argue with a self appointed do gooder who thinks his own shit doesn’t stink.. I’ll be spending the next 10 minutes replying to new assclowns while looking for those two nerds Coip and Dox whatever his name is.

            Don’t reply to me again today, because I wont be wasting my time on you.

          • Sucka Free

            I don’t care enough to lie

          • ConsoleTruth818

            And you think I would care? If this place meant anything to me I’d simply use another email address.. You really are stupid aren’t you?

          • shinitaru

            Yeah, I know. But you carry that ugly personality everywhere you go, you would just get kicked again and again. You obviously can’t help yourself

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Keep believing things based on the fact that you will never know me outside from here kid.

          • shinitaru

            You say that like it’s a bad thing…

          • ConsoleTruth818

            You got my information.. Now lets see if you have any heart to do something with it.. That’s were I live and I assure you if you or anyone comes down here they will be met with deadly force.

            6209 Reseda Blvd. Unit 130
            Tarzana, CA. 91335

            Still want to try me kid? Be my guest! :)

          • Dennis Djoenz

            Yo you must have fallen on yo head when you were young muwhahaaaa what a lame ass individual you are. You are a freaking fool.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Read my reply you half wit dickless wonder!

          • Dennis Djoenz

            wahahaha

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Cry me a river, you sad pathetic excuse for a man.. If anything you are a cheerleading little bitch as far as I’m concerned.. :)

          • Sucka Free

            He’s not worth your time, man

          • Sucka Free

            LMAO….sorry, I know I said I would reply again, but this is just too funny.
            Let me get this strait here, you expect me spend my money on a plane ticket to L.A., just to look up some faceless internet troll? What? Would you like me to call you from LAX to let you know that I’m OMW too?
            That’s hilarious! IDK, do you really think that there’s anyone out there that is that stupid? Maybe there is, but trust me on this, I’m not that guy.
            You have some strange ideas

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Don’t bother replying because this time I’m holding true to my word.. and not replying to you again. As far as I’m concerned If I engage you in words again it will be at my doorstep..

            Good Riddance old man.. and remember.. unlike you, I know how to fight and enjoy it.. Just be glad you really aren’t within arm’s reach of me.

            Good riddance you piece of human garbage.. This ends here unless you put your big boy pants on and take a little trip to Los Angeles..

            Chump!

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Actually here’s a little FYI.. I don’t carry this personality everywhere I go.. It’s only here pal.

          • Sucka Free

            We.., you’ve already said you plan to quit after this weekend so I don’t really need to do anything about you. good riddance and good bye

          • ConsoleTruth818

            You need to do something about me? You have no authority to do anything about me. I absolutely hate and can’t stand people that feel the need to bud into other’s business when it has absolutely nothing to do with you.

            You need to start realizing that that attitude will get your caps pulled back in the real world and I’m no exception.

            Good Riddance to you too pal.. This is my last reply to you and you won’t see me after sunday since the wife and kids are returning from Europe!

            Good riddance indeed! :)

          • Sucka Free

            I would say you were lying about the wife and kids but I know from what I see in RL that just about any cretin can find some skank to breed with. You should have done the decent thing and removed yourself from the gene pool, but that would have been out of character for you.

            this is my last reply to you. Have a nice life

          • Dennis Djoenz

            Haha nice one bro!

          • ConsoleTruth818

            Dutch twink!

          • Dennis Djoenz

            Aightz much appreciated my friend.

          • ConsoleTruth818

            You’re welcome

    • shinitaru

      ConsoleTruth818 shinitaru • 3 minutes ago
      It doesn’t.. all I give a damn about is telling this fool off with authority behind my words. They can keep deleting it all they want.. I’m going to keep posting the exact same thing.

      Until they ban your stupid a$$

  • ConsoleTruth818

    Hey moderators.. Suck my german helmet you tools.

  • ConsoleTruth818

    Now you spineless mods delete coip’s posts as well. You are classic!

  • ConsoleTruth818

    Seriously these moderators are bigger bitches than shin and coip combined!

  • Ryan James McLaren

    So just a update. Wolfenstein is 1080p 60fps on both. So its not a hardware limitation on ms part. Its the game devs. http://www.cinemablend.com/m/games/Wolfenstein-Graphics-PS4-Xbox-One-Same-According-Analysis-64252.html

  • Datignantmofo

    hey

  • Canscrubenha

    So many experts in these comment sections.

    Keep it up guys, these websites love the clicks.

    • Sucka Free

      They probably really appreciate you bumping this antique article

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