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Destiny PS4 Alpha Glitch Trolls Players Into Believing they Got the Full Game for Free

by on June 14, 2014 10:49 AM 185

Games in their alpha testing phase have glitches. At times they’re frustrating, at times they’re funny, and at times they make you think you found some special loophole that doesn’t exist. This is the case with one surfaced on Destiny‘s public alpha, which apparently happens if you redeem the code you received in your mail and then follow the notification (with the same code) on your PS4. Quite a few users did that and received the following message:

“You have successfully upgraded the trial version of Destiny’s First Look Alpha to the full game. You don’t need to download anything. You can now launch the full game from the content area”

Anyone reading that message would obviously think that due to some divine blessing they got the “full game” for free. Unfortunately this isn’t the case.

The message is just a result of a PSN Store message combined with unfortunate wording. The “full game” you’re unlocking is not Destiny, but Destiny‘s First Look Alpha. While that’s obviously not really a full game, the PSN doesn’t know, and that’s why it displays that message.

So, if you happen to see the message below, don’t get your hopes up. Have fun with Destiny‘s alpha, but if you want the actual “full game,” you’ll still have to pay for it.

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  • DuckNation

    I just got my BF hardline beta code yesterday, I hope to get the destiny alpha code soon

    • Mat_9

      If you want the beta of Destiny you have to pre order the game, you wont get one of these beta by just waiting.

      • ipot_04

        he clearly said “ALPHA” code of Destiny. -_-

      • tylerc23

        Actually no, if you have a PS4 then your automatically in the Beta and he said “Alpha” besides

        • TeaHooge

          No. You have to pre order to get into the beta.

          • Chiraag Chandarana

            No you don’t ps4 people got the chance to sign up for alpha testing this weekend anyone. People who pre ordered get to beta test in july

  • Vious

    damn, i’d be pissed if I saw that then find out it wasn’t the full game.
    I’d feel like they were doing this me:

  • Guiseppe Mario Mazzola

    I am glad that both copy’s of dentsy on xbox one and ps4 are going to be the same resoution.1080p at 30fps.This was stated by ms and bungie.that since the new update from june sku.And the 10 percent extra from the kinect.That there able to make the games resoution the same as ps4.Goes to show you that even xbox one has power too.I feel this is a win win for both next gen console owners really.Because this game is going to both everyone can have a blast.Good stuff.

    • ISISSecretAgent

      we will have to wait for the final release of the game because if its parity for the sake of parity and they wont be pushing one more capable hardware then that isnt a win for gamers just simple bullshit

      the game looks incredible in the alpha though and im having a blast with it

    • Guest

      If devs claim Destiny is 1080p 30 fps on both, PS4 will probably still have a higher average framerate (less drops), less screen tearing, and better visual effects (AA, shadows, particles, etc.) Digital Foundry will prove it.

      • Jeff Maxwell

        oh shut the f*** up aren’t you tired of spouting the same old cr@p Everyone knows PS4 visuals will be better at the same resolution and framerate, just let the xbox’ers have there 1080p for once will ya… youll see more games coming at 1080p out of the MS camp but itll still not look as good as a ps4

        • Guest

          He mentioned the PS4 version, I replied to him. Problem?

          • Jeff Maxwell

            He said it would make it the same resolution as the PS4 he never said it would make it better as its abundantly clear that it never will be, so tone it down. Besides X1 and PS4 will most likely use a form of identical SMAA cus full screen games neither has the power to do MSAA. and the orders rubbish of 1920×800 is purely down to performance reasons exactly the same as Infamous’s “camera effect” done for performance and performance alone and was admitted by sucker punch after it sold 1mill+ copies

          • Guest

            Having a meltdown because PS4′s hardware is more powerful again?

            The Order has the most advanced realtime visuals of any console game at the moment.

          • Jeff Maxwell

            I couldn’t care less, if I was going get a console id get a PS4 seeing as I can get one for £250-300 off ebay… good thing about only spending that amount is if I hate it when I buy it ill get all my money back…

          • They Call Me Senpai

            The Orders 1920×800 style choice isn’t due to performance issues, it was a conscious decision made by R@D.

          • jent

            I am sure it is. But you do realize that the developers also benefit from less pixels needing work on the screen due to the bars. I am sure they turned right around and put extra resources into making it look better for the pixels it does draw.

          • Jeff Maxwell

            yeah maybe, I might even have a PS4 by then so who knows may try it out for myself

          • CervantesPR

            the order 1920×800 is a pure design choice by R@D, and even then that resolution with black bars will display the same pixel density as a 1920x1080p image.

          • Jeff Maxwell

            yeah itll still display it but 20% rendered black = No performance hit so using the extra power for msaa

          • They Call Me Senpai

            And that’s a problem how?

          • Jeff Maxwell

            its not just saying

    • MTM2

      Firstly, what’s any of that got to do with this article?

      Secondly, Bungie is ‘aiming’ for 1080p30fps on X1, it’s not confirmed as final.

      Thirdly, the PS4 resolution/fps is unconfirmed as of yet.

      Fourth-ly, there’s more to visuals than just resolution/fps – texture/lighting/particle effect quality etc are also something to consider. Just because they may potentially have the same resolution/fps doesn’t mean they’ll look/perform the same. i.e. Wolfenstein.

      http://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-2014-bungie-s-destiny-aiming-for-1080p-30fps-on-xbox-one/1100-6420385/

      • Orichalon Hades

        they haven’t confirmed ps4 fps yet? hope its 60fps, even if i have to deal with 900p

        • Guest

          1080p 30 fps on the PS4 Destiny Alpha right now.

          • Orichalon Hades

            sigh, oh well

          • Mikail

            Its on Alpha stage, just keep hopping. I hope they can increase at least the graphic fidelity if they want to focus on 30fps.

          • Jeff Maxwell

            its not alpha FFS do you think a game that’s bin in development for 5 or 6 years has hit alpha like 4 months before release? its a public alpha test, note the word test… alpha would of bin like 2 or 3 years ago. get it right

          • http://avluis.net/ Luis Alvarado

            *being

  • CervantesPR

    this games PVP multiplayer is a disgrace, how are you telling me the game is only 12 players??? complete dog SH**, and on top of that the game is 30FPS in PVP! what a load of BS and that bull ate something bad and had diarrhea, this game could EASILY run at 60FPS and have more players even at 1080P i feel they are doing parity with last gen consoles, from the looks of it, theres no difference between the two. really pissed off this.

    • Giuseppe Nelva

      I don’t think you have the technical tools to know if the game can “easily” run at 60 FPS.

      You really do not.

      • CervantesPR

        Yes I know for sure this game can run at 60FPS and have more players, im not a programmer im not a developer either but its common sense that if other games on a bigger scale can achieve 1080P and 60FPS with more player count,bigger maps with vehicles At 60FPS so can destiny. i have no problems with 30FPS on campaign mode but the PVP should be 60FPS and have more players, the game is very fun at 30FPS and 6v6 but i feel like the experience is being severely nerfed with those two design choices. i really like this game but you cant be serious to think this cant run at 60FPS with more players when games like bf hardline have 32 players,vehicles,map destruction, bigger maps etc 1080 @ 60FPS. there could be a freaking Playstation 6 and these developers would still be choosing the whole 30FPS setup.

        • Giuseppe Nelva

          Sorry but no. It’s not “common sense.” There are a hundreds of factors in place to determine resolution and framerate, and normal users can’t even begin to see a tenth of them.

          You’re oversimplifying the problem, and somehow thinking you know better than developers with decades of experience, which is a very bad assumption to make.

          I suggest abandoning this train of thought ASAP.

          • CervantesPR

            I have a gaming PC and i know that they could easily tweak the effects, poly count, texture,resolution etc and make it so it has more players and better frame rate,its all about the design choices. and the design choice is clearly make it look as pretty as possible and cap it at 30FPS, me mentioning other examples of games prove my point.

          • Delsin Rowe

            you should make a game ! you know better than bungie i guess. lol
            of course they are nothing against you. lol
            just play the damn game and have fun with it.

          • Jordan

            if you are so pissed and unhappy, then dont buy it. I dont think Bungie points a gun at your head to buy the damn game. No one else force you to either. While you may not be happy, with how the multiplayer being 12 players whatsoever, yet there are still others that actually didnt see it as an issue after playing it. Original Halo multiplayer isnt 32player either, but still it is fun. And Bungie sure knows what they are doing when come to that multiplayer aspect. You can go back and play your BF4 or CODG. Then buy your upcoming BFHL and CODAW instead if you are more happy that way. Because the next thing you probably going to bitch on is R6S only has 10player multiplayer. -.-”

          • extermin8or2

            He is right destiny probably could have been designed to have a larger pkayer count/higher frame rate however not for the reasojs he lists. The reaskn why it probably could have been is quite simply because as far as I’m aware the last genbconsoles also play the game at around 30fps and the same pvp playercount. This indocates that the game was designed for lowest hardware and then just straight ported up. Understandable but also means that the new consoles probably have enpugh power to do 60fps and have a slightly higher player count… (personally idc I love what ove seen so far and cant wait for beta and then fill game :p)

        • TK85

          Its been confirmed that the Hardline beta is actually 900p and i’ve been playing it a lot and it has massive frame drops. It is a big mess exactly as BF4 was. The Destiny Alpha looks far better than both BF releases and performs far better too.

        • d0x360

          Have you ever thought that it’s not an issue of graphics but an issue of network quality and latency? Its entirely plausible that Bungie found the beat balance of control and network latency without input lag at 30fps. Just because other games have had a higher frame rate with more players doesn’t mean it should have. Games like battlefield have awful netcode and are prone to tons of latency and lag relates issues. The netcode in battlefield literally cannot keep up with the frame rate due to how badly it was written.

          Bungie has a history of amazingly efficient netcode so if they are running at 30fps you can bet there is a good reason and since the console can obviously handle the graphics then perhaps its for another reason.

          Developers know more than we do. Just because you have seen some random game do something doesn’t mean all games will. You don’t know bungies engine you don’t know their servers you don’t know their tolerances for latency you don’t know ANYTHING

        • Daniel Carrick

          It’s the alpha. There is only one game mode available, who knows what the final game will have and what we are not seeing. Calm your self down sir.

          • koon83

            Exactly!!! I’ve seen these post one two many times. Thank you sir for speaking the obvious. Especially the people that writes a full review getting pissed. Lol its in ALPHA people.

        • O’Block Scooter

          HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE SCALE IS FROM AN ALPHA?

    • Matthew Beke

      thats why this is in ALPHA STAGE.

      • CervantesPR

        key design choices like player count and framerate dont change after the alpha stage of game development.

        • DLConspiracy//

          Frame rate can always change player count not so much.

    • superkarma

      Lol, so just because it’s 6v6, that makes it “complete dog shit”? No…just no. As far as the fps goes, it’s the alpha…Bungie hasn’t made any official confirmation as to what the retail version will be.

      Even if it does turn out to be 30fps in the retail, I don’t care. It’s still an incredibly fun and entertaining game. Just about all the Halo games (I know Halo 3 and 4 were, not sure about the other “side” ones) were 30fps and no one seemed to care. BF3 was 30fps, no one seemed to care. Did 30fps magically make all those games terrible? No. It’s a Bungie game. It will be great no no matter what the fps is.

      • CervantesPR

        i said the fact that the PVP its 6vs6 and 30FPS is dog sh#$. i enjoy the game a lot in PVP but i feel like the experience is very limited with these design choices, 30FPS is ok in campaign, but not multiplayer, and 6v6 and 30FPS is lacking and missing out on good potential.

        • Joseph Cespedes

          You sound retarded..the only reason u can tell something is 60 fps or 30 fps is if the game actually say soor if the Gameplay is right by each other, bc there is no way by telling just by looking at it. And many games are 6v6 what do u want 64 player pvp? Alot of games are 6v6 and it keeps it from gettin hectic. There is also other game modes that aren’t 6v6. Please excuse your dumb ass and shut the f*** up!

          • CervantesPR

            you sound like you dont know WTF your talking about boy, the difference between 30FPS and 60FPS is like night and day difference. and no, it dosent have to be 64 players, but at least 16 to 24 players.

          • IH8YH

            Go start a game company then and make high end MMO games with 1080p and 60FPS and 64players in MP….. if you dont like this, dont buy the game. simple as that. go play Call of Duty…..

          • CervantesPR

            Destiny is NOT an MMO LOL and om not asking for 64 players, but at least 16 to 24 players.

          • Eitachi

            Well MMO stands for massive multiplayer online…so i assume three is a massive amount of players online….JS

          • Mikail

            Maybe its more like Phantasy Star Online then MMO, it has MMO mechanic but they trying more private and focus on Co op Mode, lets say the evolution of Borderland 2.

          • IH8YH

            well go on and develope it then…..

          • O’Block Scooter

            no thats a horrible idea

          • Harerazer

            Maybe it’s 6 on 6 because Bungie doesn’t want to ruin our experience having 60 more of you running around.
            Beyond technical aspects there’s a little thing called gameplay that they build into games. Balance is far more important to a Real Gamer but you wouldn’t know that.

        • Logan ryan

          You realize its is “ALPHA” not the complete game meaning not finished yet.

    • Sunzy

      Yoo man its not easy making a game, coding and programming is a pain in the bum I currently do it in university and believe me I feel bad for developers, respect the work they do man it made me think twice about asking for sequels lolll

    • Johnnie

      I really, really don’t understand this whole “it must be 60fps and have massive amounts of players!” mentality. Infamous Second Son was 30fps and that never stopped it for being one of the best looking games I’ve ever seen. BF4 had 64 player combat which was pretty much unplayable (for me anyway). Entirely too much going on, lots of lag and super chaotic.

      And besides, Destiny doesn’t seem like it’s designed for big team battles, so why force the issue? I’ve been playing the alpha and it actually changed my opinion about the game. The older footage I saw didn’t look appealing but actually playing it is a blast.

      My opinion? You should loosen up a bit.

      • Harerazer

        I’m with. I was on the fence, knowing it would be great but not sure if it would be great for me, but I’m completely sold. I may even preorder just to get into the beta.

      • SexistAsshole

        Infamous SS was an open world game.
        Its extremely hard to hit high framerates in such games and easier to get high framerates on corridor shooters.

    • Trim Dose

      what is not 60 ?, well that freaking sucks the game doesn’t look that good it should be running 60 fps without a problem.

    • YoZee

      Bungie makes games that have a great balance. If there were more players than the 6v6 it would probably ruin the balance. Imagine playing halo 3 capture the flag on the pit with 10v10. It would be total chaos and wouldn’t be fun. I’m looking for a great game and Destiny is the most fun I’ve had in YEARs I tell you. YEARS!! Haha I don’t care about huge lobbies like BF4 has. It works for battlefield, it doesn’t mean it will work for Destiny. Bungie has only made games that have become part of my favorite out of many. I hope a whining community doesn’t pressure them to make changes that would ruin the game.

    • Eitachi

      its only a alpha ant the maps so far are meant for a 6v6.

    • Narvin ‘Swipeknife’ Chee-Wood

      its in Alpha Stages… with ONE game type to try out… and no difference?! HAVE YOU BEEN LOOKING AT THE DAM GRAPHICS OF THIS GAME?!

    • alberto suarez

      Question, have you played it? Second, the competitive aspect of destiny would not allow for 20v20 games. it would make NO sense. I personally do not know of any game which is supposed to have a competitive aspect to it that plays more than 6v6. Honestly that might even be too much. Think about COD, Halo, League of Legends, Dota, etc… There is no way that you could truly have a competitive game with huge amounts of players because if it would be too hectic. There would be no skill involved. I’m actually thinking the esports aspect will likely be 3v3. Second the scale of destiny is absolutely insane. It is so big that even beginning to attempt 60fps would result in HUGE framerate drops. Borderlands had huge framerate drops and the game would even cap itself at 30fps most of the time to compensate. Learn a little about developing before you make such ignorant comments. What are you 12?

  • https://www.facebook.com/belowthebottom Mixalis Btb

    sorry to say but destiny isnt any better than killzone shadow fall both graphically and in multiplayer fun..considering my aplha beta testing…

    • Victor Lavon Richardson

      Two completely different styles of games

      • https://www.facebook.com/belowthebottom Mixalis Btb

        and still KZ has better graphics..

        • They Call Me Senpai

          Shadow Fall was made exclusively for the PS4, Destiny is cross-gen. Not to mention that Guerilla went for a more realistic look, whereas Bungie is going for fantasy.

          • https://www.facebook.com/belowthebottom Mixalis Btb

            yeah! i wont buy easily cross-gen games..destiny is another game hold back in visuals due to that..

          • DLConspiracy//

            You are taking the graphics far too seriously man. I understand you have one console you prefer but don’t limit your gaming experiences because of graphics man.

        • DLConspiracy//

          Hate to tell ya, but the alpha is better than the entire kzsf game to me. Gameplay is a huge factor in my enjoyment. It looks fine and plays way better than kz. To me.

          • superkarma

            Agreed. No idea how someone could even compare the two. I was never a fan of the KZ franchise anyways…just could never get into it. To me, Destiny is leagues better than KZ and considering the scale of the game, making the graphical comparison makes no sense.

          • DLConspiracy//

            Just the level of wonder and exploration alone is akin to skyrim to me. Absolutely no comparison to KZ. I beat Shadow fall too. I gave it more than enough chance to wow me. It was just OK.

            To be fair though I love Destiny, but I also loved Borderlands. I would be lying if I didn’t say it was similar. Still that’s a good thing to me. The only concern I have for Activision and bungie is hitting that 500m because of that comparison.

          • superkarma

            Yeah, same here….big fan of Borderlands as well. Also a big fan of the Halo franchise. Destiny has elements/mechanics from both of those, so I’m loving it.

            As for the 500m budget, I read on other sites that that figure was for the duration of the deal, meaning 10 years. If that’s the case, 500m budget for a 10 year deal isn’t bad at all. If it’s just focused on this first iteration of the franchise, then yeah…that’s a pretty damn big hurdle to jump over. Even still, I don’t think they’ll meet much resistance.

          • DLConspiracy//

            Well that is a breathe of fresh air if so but still 5 releases in ten years at every two years would be 100m each. Then DLC content in between those would maybe split that to 50m a year. I guess that’s tangeable. Still a not of a risk. BTW add me on PSN. DekonReighn

          • https://www.facebook.com/belowthebottom Mixalis Btb

            i’m hoping for split screen local multiplayer for destiny..just like the good old halo era..it was a blast..until then i’ll stick with BF4..they fixed the damn thing and its HUGE fun!

          • DLConspiracy//

            I haven’t tried that yet on the alpha but I don’t have a second controller for the ps4. I play bf4 some but its been so up in the air. I did enjoy it though last time I played it.

          • superkarma

            Sorry, but they confirmed at E3 that there won’t be any split screen :(

            http://www.gamespot.com/articles/e3-2014-bungie-s-destiny-doesn-t-support-split-screen-co-op/1100-6420387/

          • https://www.facebook.com/belowthebottom Mixalis Btb

            then diablo 3 will do the trick

          • Jeff Maxwell

            its cus the consoles havnt got enough power, its the reason why driveclub cant do split screen to. when your pushing it to the limit then trying to handle to inputs 2 different physics etc not enough juice to do it

          • superkarma

            I don’t think that’s the issue. I believe his reasoning. Split screen can sometimes be annoying and hinder gameplay, as it does warp you around to keep up with the other player. I can see how that wouldn’t be best for this sort of game. I mean, he could just be bs’ing, but I’m inclined to believe him.

          • Jeff Maxwell

            well ive you’ve got split screen its also doubling what needs to be rendered on screen cus if you got the left player has got his car environment and other race cars there, and the right player has his car the environment and all the other racers there and if its trying to do it at full fidelity its basically dbling what needs to be rendered I think

          • They Call Me Senpai

            The consoles have more than enough power for split screen. And there you go again, bringing up DriveClub for no reason, you must really be afraid of it’s potential if you’re so committed to bashing it out of nowhere.

          • Jeff Maxwell

            well no because the actual guy when interviewed him said it didn’t have enough power for split screen… yet! well if I did get a PS4 it would be when Driveclub comes out so im hardly going spend £300 just to bash something am i

  • Orichalon Hades

    i really wish this game is 60fps rather than 30, i have 0 problem with Bungie sacrificing the graphical fidelity for a locked 60fps.

    60fps should be standard for games with multiplayer imo

    • Porcu Peth

      i have a bigger problem with the aim assist, that should just not be there

      • Dirkster_Dude

        This is a guess, but if you don’t like it you will probably be able to turn aim assist off.

      • Michael Norris

        Their is an option to turn it off..Riseer23 PSN

        • Porcu Peth

          no there isn’t..

          • alberto suarez

            yes there is…

          • Porcu Peth

            I looked in the options and there was none

          • alberto suarez

            its under autocenter or something like that. Under controller options i think? Don’t really remember but it exists

          • Porcu Peth

            I think that’s something else cause it was already off by default and yet it still had aim assist

          • Rob

            Pretty much every shooter has some form of aim assisting on consoles as using an analogue stick to aim isn’t exactly the most accurate.

          • Porcu Peth

            shadow fall doesn’t. much better that way

          • The Oathbreaker

            I do hope there is an option to turn it off or it’s implemented before release, takes the fun out of it.

      • BalramRules

        Is there sticky aim? I love that shit, or is that the same as aim assist?
        Cos’ us noobs need that shiz xD
        *silently looks at 10+ months of MW2 game time, inconspicuously walks away whistling*

    • Dirkster_Dude

      If they can lock it in at 30fps without going any lower your eyes would never notice the difference. The only reason a game might have a higher frames per second is what is going on behind it when it renders the scene, which you don’t see anyway. However, it can slow things down on what you can see and that is where you can get stuttering, screen tear, etc. I also suspect they are sacrificing the FPS not because of graphical fidelity, but because the size of the game world. You only have so many resources to go around.

      • Justin Beauchamp

        You’re dead wrong on your first point. There’s always an improvement in visual fluidity all the way up to the 144Hz we have available (for PC gaming), and even beyond once the technology is there.

        • Dirkster_Dude

          Believe what you want because it isn’t like I can possibly convince you of anything.

          • Justin Beauchamp

            Haha. That’s because You’re the one who is wrong. I’m 100% sure of that because I’ve seen the proof myself.

          • Dirkster_Dude

            I don’t know you and you can be as confident that you are 100% correct all you want for whatever you think the argument is about.

          • Justin Beauchamp

            I’ve seen your other posts here. You’re obviously either trolling at this point or you’re deluded. When everyone but you know knows you’re wrong you should probably reevaluate what you originally believed and stop letting your ego get in the way. You’re making a fool of yourself.

          • Orichalon Hades

            ignore him, at this point even if he’s trolling, i already mark him as a disgusting human being. Did you see how he acted? Dismissing all the proof that i presented and just said “whatever”.

            he’s a real piece of trash.

          • Dirkster_Dude

            Wow, and I still don’t care about everyone knowing I’m wrong. Of course I doubt you know everyone that posts here. Maybe the troll is the person who can’t accept that I don’t agree and does the equivalent of shouting from the rooftops how much of a troll, liar, or idiot I am for not agreeing 100% with them? Something to think about.

          • IamConnolly

            You’re disagreeing with fact though… Just look at 30vs60.com. You sound like some kid with fingers in his ears screaming.

          • Dirkster_Dude

            It doesn’t matter and hasn’t mattered and never will matter that I disagree with you or anyone else. For all the insults you and others keep telling me how wrong I am, but you’re the 1 who absolutely must share an opinion about me being wrong. I still don’t care if you think I’m wrong.

      • Orichalon Hades

        if you can’t see the difference between 30 and 60 fps, then its either because you’re blind or you’re lying. check out this comparison before you spout anything else

        http://30vs60.com/

        also not only does it looks better at 60fps , the most important thing is that at 60fps the game is more responsive. Why do you think that almost all fighting game is at 60fps?

        • Dirkster_Dude

          Whatever you say must be right – right?

          • Orichalon Hades

            what the hell are you on about? Its a proven fact that 60 fps looks better, its a proven fact that 60fps reduce the response delay, making the game more responsive than if it has 30fps.

            There is a reason why fighting game is almost always 60 fps, because it make the game that much more responsive.For a multi player game 60 fps is a must.

            if you really can’t see any difference between 30 and 60 fps you really need to get your eye checked.

          • Dirkster_Dude

            Blah, blah, blah. You’re the one who called me a lire if I didn’t agree with you. So much for your passive-aggressive garbage – right?

          • Orichalon Hades

            well looks like we can’t have an intelligence discussion regarding FPS then. Because apparently your brain can only process one word at a time (its Liar, not lire btw) and just completely ignore the rest of my point on how higher fps means lower response delay.

            And im only calling you a liar if you can’t see the difference between 30 and 60 fps.

            http://30vs60.com/ <- check this shit out

            still not convinced that people can see more than 30 fps?

            http://boallen.com/fps-compare.html

            there, this one is so simple, that empty-void you call a brain probably can handle it.

          • Dirkster_Dude

            You really made your point by pointing out I sometimes misspell words. I don’t agree with you and you flat out called me a “liar” with no equivocation in your statement. I believe what you believe or I’m a liar. Neither is required.

          • Orichalon Hades

            exactly my point, see your jelly of a brain only process the part where i correct your spelling, while you just dance around the argument about the fps.

            Thank you for proving my point that you have the attention span of a two year old.

            “I believe what you believe” is unnecessary because people can see the difference between 30 and 60 fps. You can ask 1000 people, and they will all say that the 60 fps animation look smoother in motion than 30 fps.

            this is fact. what you believe is true is irrelevant.

          • Dirkster_Dude

            And you still insult me. Hey, “this is fact” – I still don’t care.

          • Orichalon Hades

            oh cmon,

            all you did is just post some passive aggressive crap then dance around the argument and then your’e blaming me for using insults?

            i even give you 2 comparison showing that a human eye can see past 30 fps. But no, instead of arguing about that you instead play the victim.

            “ooh he insult me” “ooh he correct my spelling” and never once did you respond to my post in an adult manner.

            Did you even see the comparison i give? Did you? If you do you can clearly see that the 60 fps is much much more smoother in motion than 30 fps. Meaning you CAN see the difference. Go ahead, show that video comparison to 1000 people. I have 100% confidence that they can see the difference.

          • Dirkster_Dude

            The word “whatever” comes to mind.

          • The Guest

            You are absolutely right. I am so sorry you have to deal with all the idiots in the world, as there are a lot of them. Dirkster is being childish and ignoring facts. Everyone here is oblivious and in denial. Especially the retard who uses the most overused statement, “I work at ‘such and such’” or “I am a certified game DEVELOPER and I know what I’m talking about.” It is not worth proving to these 13 year olds browsing the internet starting arguments and blindly ignoring repercussions that there is IN FACT a noticeably large difference between 60fps and 30fps.

          • clownface

            You are an idiot and dirkster is actually right, just because you read something on a forum does now make you correct

          • Orichalon Hades

            who me? i presented video comparison of FPS difference in REAL TIME, and he dismissed it by acting like a two year old and I’m the idiot?

            you’re a real piece of work aren’t ya?

          • clownface

            I have and do develop games. You trying to tell him that he is wrong bout the fps being higher works more under the hood then above it is ridiculous

          • Orichalon Hades

            did you see my original post?

            “i have 0 problem with Bungie sacrificing the graphical fidelity for a locked 60fps.”

            i already know that pulling a 60 fps will pull more resources, i already knew all that. That’s why i said i have no problem with Bungie downgrading the graphic for 60 fps. especially for a game with multiplayer element in it.

            but that’s beside the point, what im arguing with him now is not that, but how he said “human eyes can’t see beyond 30fps” which is a misinformation.

            i even give him 2 fps comparison in real-time and he just said “Whatever”.

          • Guest

            You then told him he was wrong about him saying “60 fps is much more noticable under the hood” which is correct. there is going to be small differences from 30 to 60 fps that you can tell and see and that’s if you are looking for it and truly paying attention UNLESS you look at under the hood

          • Orichalon Hades

            i never touch that argument of his, my only concern is him saying that “human can’t notice anything beyond 30 fps” and that alone.

            also

            “there is going to be small differences from 30 to 60 fps that you can tell and see ”

            are you really a game developer? are you? then go to one of the website i posted and see if difference between 30 and 60 fps is “small”

          • Rob

            You’re wasting your time arguing a valid point. Higher fps would make the game far more enjoyable to play. But at the end of the day people buying a next gen console for this game would be disappointed if it looked a bit drab but ran well, they don’t appreciate the difference between 30fps and 60fps never mind 120fps and beyond. They revert to the old response that our eyes can’t tell the difference, when in fact they are getting confused with the frame rate required for our brains to perceive multiple static images as movement. 30fps isn’t that far above what the brain perceives as motion and it looks terrible side by side with 60fps. You already know all this though as you have a brain.

          • Daniel

            … You guys are arguing about an alpha test for a game that hasn’t been released yet. I wont argue, 60 fps is much better than 30. Numerically speaking it’s almost “double,” what the eye can see at 30 if not more right? (Sarcasm). Anyway, I don’t doubt that the game is going to be massive am I right? I mean with a big ass game like that and an alpha test launched for ps4 i’m sure that sacrifices were made.

            60 FPS isn’t a must for a FPS. It isn’t because it can exist without 60. Clearly it’s running on 30 and you’re still bitching about it. I wish I could get a test run for an awesome game and still use my “jelly brain” to be a complete ass hat online because I feel that my OPINION is the best in the room.

            Peace suckas.

          • Trent Mathews

            @dirkradke:disqus sorry bro.. the science between 30fps and 60fps that people always refer back to “your eyes cant see past 30fps” that’s true however it doesn’t apply to gaming. Unfortunately the arguement has a LOT of holes because you’re not considering the latency between the screen, console and controller.

          • Dirkster_Dude

            It does apply to gaming and I never argued that 60fps isn’t better than 30fps. I only mentioned your eyes will not notice the difference and I acknowledged that in my first post which started this thread.

          • Orichalon Hades

            “I never argued that 60fps isn’t better than 30fps. I only mentioned your eyes will not notice the difference”

            then are you saying that 60 fps IS better than 30 fps? then tell me how do you manage to come to that conclusion.

          • Dirkster_Dude

            If the developers make the video game correctly we will never know or have to worry about the 60fps vs. 30fps argument. That has been my whole point. 60fps makes some things easier, but requires more resources, but it isn’t the end all and be all like you think.

          • Orichalon Hades

            we do have to worry ya dingus, that the entire point of my original post.

            60 fps REDUCES input delay, 60 fps makes for a smoother animation/movement, that’s why game developer should aim for 60 fps in a MULTIPLAYER game.

            and then you come along saying “human eyes can’t see past 30 fps” then all of this mess happens. And now when i given you 2 proof on how human eye CAN perceive more than 30 fps. All you said is “whatever” and then you just goes “lalalalalala” with your finger up your bloody ears.

            if you can’t backup your claim, then don’t make the claim in the first place.

          • Dirkster_Dude

            I’m not trying to back up my claim. If you don’t believe me I don’t care.

          • Gority

            Serious question. Can you explain why the difference of 30fp vs 60fps really matters when everybody is locked into the same on the console game? If everyone is on the same playing field, why does it matter? You stated in your original post that you wish in multiplayer games 60 fps should be the standard but you aren’t really at a disadvantage if everyone is at the same level.

          • Trent Mathews

            Okay again.. You’re miss using the information you have. 30 fps is a visual difference from 60 fps. Your eyes do notice the difference, period. Not only can you see it but it’s also felt in the latency. Thank you for making the erroneous old age argument that 30fps is all you can say as it does not apply to gaming.

          • Dirkster_Dude

            And I am so sure you are an expert and what I am saying can mean absolutely nothing in the light of your brilliance. Yes, that was sarcasm.

          • Trent Mathews

            Actually I am. And, yes you’re wrong. In a natural state, say a film your eyes don’t think they notice the frame rate is at 24 frames per second.. But you do. Trust me, you can live on the one on piece that the human eye can’t see over 30 fps but that argument doesn’t include all the variables.. Tell all the people who watched the Hobit in 60fps they couldn’t see the difference.. It’s a unfounded argument you’re making and you’re coping out by suggesting I am wrong without evidence.. As a matter of fact someone already posted a comparison for you.. It’s clear.

          • Dirkster_Dude

            Well, it is good for you that your an expert. I still don’t believe you and guess what? It still doesn’t matter whether I do or not. Yes, this is still sarcasm.

          • Trent Mathews

            Then you’re just stupid. Have a good one. This is not sarcasm.

          • Dirkster_Dude

            It is sarcasm on my part because no matter how much you consider yourself an expert I don’t consider you one. Most of you haven’t read or understood my original post which started this thread which is fine.

    • Max Flavor

      I feel you on that i would much rather see 60fps then 1080p. 720 on 60fps to me looks smoother then 1080 on 30fps.

    • fuckyouinthebrain

      DUMB idea! human eye doesn’t even see difference between 30-60 fps while we obviously see the difference in 720p and 1080p so maybe that’s your opinion but 99% is a lot happier with 1080p and 30fps, and 30fps standard for mp??? are you fuckin kiddin? we can be happy if a mmo is 20 fps on loaded times, this is technically impossible on pc with big games, so why would it work on ps? don’t post opinions without thinking about it at least once you bunch of retards

  • superkarma

    Anyone still need an alpha code? I’ve got a spare :)

    • They Call Me Senpai

      I need it for a friend.

      • superkarma

        Add me on PSN — superkarmah

        I’ll send the code over through a message.

        • They Call Me Senpai

          On it.

        • They Call Me Senpai

          Give me a minute, I have to reset my password.

          • superkarma

            No prob. If you have an easier way to have me message you, just let me know.

  • Mikail

    Are the graphic quality of the games is gimped on PS4 to achieve parities on both nextgen platform? Because i sure u this kind of graphic fidelity are able to pull 60 fps. Are Bungie really utilize the power of PS4?

    • DLConspiracy//

      Not sure about gimped. It I am pretty sure the alpha is about 30 fps or so. It is of course the alpha so…

      • Mikail

        lets hope they can upgrade the graphic wise because the hardware gap is there. And I hope graphic boost like the Drive Club after delayed compared too Drive Club before delayed.

    • CervantesPR

      same thing i was saying man, this could easily be 60FPS and have more player count and still be 1080P. look at bf hardline 32 players,vehicles,map destrucction, 1080p 60FPS. this really has me angry man i feel like the potential in this game has been ruined with these design choices.

      • Mikail

        Just keep on hoping, let Bungie’s know this, they need a feedback from this Alpha. I hope they upgrade the graphic a little bit on PS4. Because they have a marketing contract with SONY and they know the PS4 is more powerful.

        • DLConspiracy//

          Perhaps its just their choice. It doesn’t affect me as poorly as you but I couldn’t tell the difference until I played another game.

          • Mikail

            Then they have to increase the graphic detail if they want to focus on 30fps like Drive Club.

        • CervantesPR

          thats what i was wondering, i wanna leave feed back but dont know how to do it, cuz right now the game isnt living up to my expectations on the PVP side of things, its very fun even at 6v6 and 30FPS but it would so much better if there was more players, at least 16 to 24 total at 60FPS.

          • http://www.backline.tk TK85

            The PVP map is far too small for more players. It would make it far too hectic and unenjoyable for the majority of players. It would become far too twitchy,

      • http://www.backline.tk TK85

        Have you even played the hardline beta? It looks and runs like crap. especially when put side by side with Destiny which has a far bigger scope.

    • Kingdom17

      I don’t know, but I do know it looked gorgeous last night.

  • Delsin Rowe

    guys, i have a question. when does the public alpha end?

    • superkarma

      After this weekend. I don’t think they gave an exact time, but it’s from the 12th to the 15th.

      • Delsin Rowe

        im not in the us, so how many days ? :D

      • Delsin Rowe

        nevermind, i got it :D

  • Colonel_Angus_

    If anyone has a spare code that would like to be generous, message me on PSN Colonel_Angus_ . I signed up as soon as they announced at E3 but I didn’t get mine </3. Thanks guys!

    • Johnnie

      Check your spam folder? I read that everyone who signed up got in.

      • Kingdom17

        I don’t think I even signed up and I got one.

  • RealityCheck2013

    I haven’t had any problems with the game so far. It’s o.k i suppose the game. But it’s a bit boring like most PC & Xbox FPS games are & just seems average really. Maybe the full game will be better tho & more exciting?!?! + The only thing i don’t like and can’t get used to is using L2 for Aim & R2 to Fire(like in MGS:GZ) :-/ I funking hate being forced to play it the way they want me to play it. Give me a option to change it so it’s L1 to Aim & R1 to Fire + I find it easier to throw grenades that way to :D

    • Kingdom17

      I found it to be really fun, this coming from a person who hates most shooters (Its the RPG elements that got me) But after doing a few missions in the explore “stage” (I guess that’s what you could call it) it started to get boring, but by that time in the full game I think I should have been able to continue onto something else.

  • superkarma
  • dapaintrain

    Played for about 2 hours it’s dropouts galore for me.

    The game seems decent enough though it reminds me of a mmo like world of Warcraft but with guns like boaderlands.

    It’s deffinetly fun but IMHO it’s not the 2nd coming of Jesus it’s a little rinse and repeat at least in the alpha

    • Kingdom17

      Well bear in mind its still an Alpha, with little content unlocked.

    • Joseph Lan

      You’re probably playing like 2% of the whole game, dude.

  • superkarma

    Good team vs not so good team:

    http://i.imgur.com/8YfF43r.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/foECVKy.jpg

    The 26 kill game was crazy fun, though. Right before I was about to get owned, I tossed out a vortex grenade…and got a quad-kill post-mortem. Damn, I’m loving the Warlock. :)

  • Minato Arisato

    This game is amazing and I will play the living shit out of it but come on bungie, 500 million dollars are you are telling me this game runs at 30 FPS?

  • REALROBLAW

    I really wish this gen gaming was 4K 60fps. We only upgraded a little bit. Already we see that frames per second or resolution doesn’t hold up well in a lot of games. 4k 60 fps should have been standard this gen with option settings to change resolution to 1080p in the meantime. I plan my next tv to be a 4k one and that will probably be within a year. Oh well I guess they had to sacrifice something for that $400 console price. PC gaming is another choice but you can’t get a lot of the same great games and game settings, control scheme and of course cost make it difficult to play best quality this gen.

    • Jecht_Sin

      Once PC games will all be 4K 60fps some people will start asking for 8K 120fps.. Convincing themselves that otherwise the games are “unplayable”…

  • IncognitosX

    Although I’m tired of Gears and Halo this makes the move from Xbox to Sony a little less jarring. I’m enjoying the beta on the PS4. I’m not blown away by the visuals but they are ok…the shadows and reflections are nice. This is my first Alpha so I’m eager to see how different the final product is. Having it on both platforms is bitter sweet. I think the chances of this turning into a bigger franchise is better on multiple platforms but I wonder what we sacrifice in optimization?

  • christopher witherspoon

    I need a alpha code pls how can I get 1 dual

  • superkarma

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